Guards and boy racers

Doyler92

Firstly, can I just make this clear. I am in no way a boy racer nor do I have a 'done-up' car. I drive a Punto

But I have an honest question.

I'm in love with Civic's and have been offered one at a good enough price.

It's not the top end model as in it doesn't stick out when driving.

If I got it and was driving it normally do you think the guards would give me much hassle?

All the stories I hear about these cars is that the guards torment the drivers.

If I have everything up to scratch, do you think the guards will keep pulling me in and stereotyping me because of the car?

Thanks.

Misticles

Id say they get tormented for legit reasons ie speeding/ dangerous driving..
although some power mad garda may pull over purely for the sake of it.

I was with a fella who got his type r teg impounded - he had nothing on the windscreen except NCT, (he only had it 1 day so everything was getting sorted)- they were harsh there.

I drove a nice civic and didnt attract attention.

As long as you drive as normal, you would be fine.

evanSpiddal

Which year Civic is it, I have a 2002 3dr model and I never have any hassle with the Guards (20 year old Male). Is there any mods on the car you will be buying?

stealthyspeeder

If you have the car in perfect working order and dont drive like a muppet the guards wont be able to give you any hassle when then stop you.

You might get stopped more at checkpoints but you shouldnt let attention from the guards stop you getting the car you really want if you haave nothing to hide.

Doyler92

It's a 99 and don't think it has any mod's on it. Like it's near enough the basic model and doesn't even make that sound when revving if you understand. I won't be doing anything wrong in it just driving correctly.

Atomic Pineapple

Not at all, most Gardai know the real story, as long as your mature on the roads, have the car in proper condition with all the paper up to date and you dont act the maggot you'll e fine.

I've been driving an Integra Type R for 2 years now and I've never been stopped or hassled at a check point.

Which version and spec civic is it?

Absurdum

Doyler92 wrote: »

If I got it and was driving it normally do you think the guards would give me much hassle?

only if you give them a reason to

Doyler92

draffodx wrote: »

Not at all, most Gardai know the real story, as long as your mature on the roads, have the car in proper condition with all the paper up to date and you dont act the maggot you'll e fine.

I've been driving an Integra Type R for 2 years now and I've never been stopped or hassled at a check point.

Which version and spec civic is it?

God I couldn't tell you. I'm only 17 (forgot to mention this in first post) but have applied for my full licence. Not the best with the spec's and all just know how to drive correctly

Bandara

Don't pull out and floor your car when driving away, don't rev your car when waiting at traffic lights, don't drive like a complete idiot and as if your Micheal Schumacher when in fact your a complete novice on the road and should drive with care until you can handle a car.

Stick to that and you'll never be pulled over.

Turner

Have all your disks up to date on the window.

Do not have a modified exhaust (or aftermarket exhaust)

Do not fit badly fitted bucket seats or have a badly fitted spoiler.

Do not have wheels that are too big for your arches.

Do not drive unaccompanied if you are a learner.

Follow all of the above and drive normally and you should not see the inside of a district court (as all of the above are illegal)

Hope this helps.

Tefral

Is it a VTEC model? Because its hard not to sound like an agressive Bast*rd when overtaking.

I get pulled over alot in the Integra, they normally just check my tax and insurance, give the licence a check and send me on my way, ive been driving modified cars since im 17, its something im used to.

If the car is white the cops are attracted to it! but any other colour id say youll be grand. lots of my mates have civics and have no hassle.

EDIT: most of the time i dont mind been pulled over because at least the cops see dont see me as a scumbag. To be honest ive gotten pulled over alot more in Dublin than i ever did in Limerick and there is a history of robbed integras in Dublin, so id be glad if they managed to pull over someone in an integra some day and if it was robbed at least someone will get their car back

Doyler92

Thanks lads.

Was just wanting to clear this up as I hear many different contradicting stories about such cars.

Doyler92

cronin_j wrote: »

Is it a VTEC model? Because its hard not to sound like an agressive Bast*rd when overtaking.

I get pulled over alot in the Integra, they normally just check my tax and insurance, give the licence a check and send me on my way, ive been driving modified cars since im 17, its something im used to.

If the car is white the cops are attracted to it! but any other colour id say youll be grand. lots of my mates have civics and have no hassle

Do not think it's the VTEC model just the plain, basic civic.

Only problem is not to try get the cash up ASAP.

Tefral

Doyler92 wrote: »

Do not think it's the VTEC model just the plain, basic civic.

Only problem is not to try get the cash up ASAP.

Ah youll be grand, is it massively modified or just like it came out of the factory?

Atomic Pineapple

Doyler92 wrote: »

Thanks lads.

Was just wanting to clear this up as I hear many different contradicting stories about such cars.

I wouldn't be put off by any stereotypes on any car be it a boy racer, hairdressers, girls stereotype, just judge a car on its merits and if its what you want and forget about what people say or think about certain cars

Doyler92

As far as I know it's not modified at all.

Draffodx, I get you, thanks. It's just, as a poster said above, you get the odd guard that has the power and doesn't like these type of cars if you understand.

Tefral

Doyler92 wrote: »

As far as I know it's not modified at all.

Draffodx, I get you, thanks. It's just, as a poster said above, you get the odd guard that has the power and doesn't like these type of cars if you understand.

Dont get me wrong man, i dont think youll have any trouble in the car at all.

As long as you arent acting the maggot no guard will bother with you! They have their hands full with other crap!

Doyler92

That's what I was thinking myself.

Thanks alot people for the quick replies also.

SV

Chief--- wrote: »

Have all your disks up to date on the window.

Do not have a modified exhaust (or aftermarket exhaust)



Follow all of the above and drive normally and you should not see the inside of a district court (as all of the above are illegal)

Hope this helps.

an aftermarket exhaust is illegal?
where's the legislation on that one?

Atomic Pineapple

SV wrote: »

an aftermarket exhaust is illegal?
where's the legislation on that one?

I'm too tired to look it up but yes its in Irish law that any modification to a vehicles exhaust system or replacement with a non factory spec one is illegal

SV

draffodx wrote: »

I'm too tired to look it up but yes its in Irish law that any modification to a vehicles exhaust system or replacement with a non factory spec one is illegal

lol..wow, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard..

Doyler92

With an extremely limited knowledge to cars, I think you are correct. But I don't know enough to argue the point.

Turner

SV wrote: »

lol..wow, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard..

Tell that to people who live in cities. Especially near exit routes of cities where lads tend to floor it...

Even with double glazed windows it will still wake you up.

Atomic Pineapple

SV wrote: »

lol..wow, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard..

yeh its pretty stupid technically replacing a back box at all is illegal unless its the same as it came from the factory :rolleyes:

Chief--- wrote: »

Tell that to people who live in cities. Especially near exit routes of cities where lads tend to floor it...

Even with double glazed windows it will still wake you up.

That's nothing to with the exhaust and all to do with the way the car is being driven

Turner

cronin_j wrote: »

Is it a VTEC model? Because its hard not to sound like an agressive Bast*rd when overtaking.

I get pulled over alot in the Integra, they normally just check my tax and insurance, give the licence a check and send me on my way, ive been driving modified cars since im 17, its something im used to.

If the car is white the cops are attracted to it! but any other colour id say youll be grand. lots of my mates have civics and have no hassle.

EDIT: most of the time i dont mind been pulled over because at least the cops see dont see me as a scumbag. To be honest ive gotten pulled over alot more in Dublin than i ever did in Limerick and there is a history of robbed integras in Dublin, so id be glad if they managed to pull over someone in an integra some day and if it was robbed at least someone will get their car back

Cops tend to turn out in force when an integra is spotted driving in public!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYmpZq3moKY

vectra

draffodx wrote: »

I'm too tired to look it up but yes its in Irish law that any modification to a vehicles exhaust system or replacement with a non factory spec one is illegal

Well,
There goes BOSAL out of business

Atlantic Dawn

Chief--- wrote: »

Cops tend to turn out in force when an integra is spotted driving in public!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYmpZq3moKY

Yes but when they simply chase the car in a row of vehicles with zero co-ordinated planning on where to setup a road block ahead of the car despite them having mobile phones, radios and possible air support it makes them look a tad amateur :cool:

Atomic Pineapple

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Yes but when they simply chase the car in a row of vehicles with zero co-ordinated planning on where to setup a road block ahead of the car despite them having mobile phones, radios and possible air support it makes them look a tad amateur :cool:

Pretty sure that video is a fake

SV

Chief--- wrote: »

Tell that to people who live in cities. Especially near exit routes of cities where lads tend to floor it...

Even with double glazed windows it will still wake you up.

I have an after market exhaust fitted to my car, it increases power yet it's quieter than the stock one..

how is that fair?

Atomic Pineapple

SV wrote: »

I have an after market exhaust fitted to my car, it increases power yet it's quieter than the stock one..

how is that fair?

Same situation with the Mugen Twinloop exhaust systems for Hondas, they provide some of the best gains you can get yet they have a noise rating that is less than the stock system

Turner

SV wrote: »

I have an after market exhaust fitted to my car, it increases power yet it's quieter than the stock one..

how is that fair?

God i dont know i didnt make the law.

"Loud" after market exhaust do annoy alot of people though.

Even though a standard Ferrari or Harley will probable be a lot louder.

Then again 400 ferraris or harleys dont congregate in tesco car parks and industrial estates late at night near housing estates.

Dermot Ahern is the Minister for Justice if you want him to look and maybe amend the laws give him a bell.

Chief--- out!

DonJose

Chief--- wrote: »

Tell that to people who live in cities. Especially near exit routes of cities where lads tend to floor it...

Even with double glazed windows it will still wake you up.

I live roughly 500 meters from a ring road and every weekend you can hear the boying racer scum flying up the road.

Atomic Pineapple

Chief--- wrote: »

God i dont know i didnt make the law.

"Loud" after market exhaust do annoy alot of people though.

Even though a standard Ferrari or Harley will probable be a lot louder.

Then again 400 ferraris or harleys dont congregate in tesco car parks and industrial estates late at night near housing estates.

Dermot Ahern is the Minister for Justice if you want him to look and maybe amend the laws give him a bell.

Chief--- out!

A law governing anti social behavior in motor vehicles would be the correct way to go.

This would target only the people that are an actual nuisance on the roads

Atlantic Dawn

From April 1st the NCT will test cars for noise where they feel it is excessive and if it's recorded over 99db(A) it will be a fail...

http://www.nct.ie/NewInspectionItems.aspx

I look forward to these changes, it doesn't really bother me during the day but at night when your trying to get some sleep that's a different story. It's about time an actual measured fail limit was used and a pass/fail can then be given.

DonJose

Chief--- wrote: »

Have all your disks up to date on the window.

Do not have a modified exhaust (or aftermarket exhaust)

Do not fit badly fitted bucket seats or have a badly fitted spoiler.

Do not have wheels that are too big for your arches.

Do not drive unaccompanied if you are a learner.

Follow all of the above and drive normally and you should not see the inside of a district court (as all of the above are illegal)

Hope this helps.

Quoting the above so you don't miss it first time around

galwaytt

draffodx wrote: »

I'm too tired to look it up but yes its in Irish law that any modification to a vehicles exhaust system or replacement with a non factory spec one is illegal

Factually incorrect. Little outfit in Germany can help you there: TuV

Chief--- wrote: »

Tell that to people who live in cities. Especially near exit routes of cities where lads tend to floor it...

Even with double glazed windows it will still wake you up.

...irrelevant. That has nothing to do with the legality, or otherwise, of exhausts. If the exhaust is certified approved, by any accredited body in the EU (e.g.TuV, BS etc), you can use it. Block exemption also protects our rights to NOT use factory parts, if you don't want to.

draffodx wrote: »

yeh its pretty stupid technically replacing a back box at all is illegal unless its the same as it came from the factory :rolleyes:
That's nothing to with the exhaust and all to do with the way the car is being driven

Indeed, sometimes it is the driving. But that's not what we're talking about - you're free to fit any number of 'back boxes' that have the appropriate CE marking's on it.

vectra wrote: »

Well,
There goes BOSAL out of business

Ha, good one ! We modify BRAND new exhausts, with Bosal parts, on brand new vehicles, every day.

SV wrote: »

I have an after market exhaust fitted to my car, it increases power yet it's quieter than the stock one..

how is that fair?

So do I.

Chief--- wrote: »

God i dont know i didnt make the law.

"Loud" after market exhaust do annoy alot of people though.

Even though a standard Ferrari or Harley will probable be a lot louder.

Then again 400 ferraris or harleys dont congregate in tesco car parks and industrial estates late at night near housing estates.

Dermot Ahern is the Minister for Justice if you want him to look and maybe amend the laws give him a bell.

Chief--- out!

There is no connection between 'loud' and 'illegal', so separate the two. It is entirely possible to own a legal, yet seemingly 'loud' car. Aston Martin, Maserati, 911. Anyone ? All are fruity under use, too fruity for some, and all are 100% legal. Ditto for any quality after-market system.

My Harley is loud, and 100% legal, and people seem to like it. My Suzuki is 100% legal, not loud, and annoys the **** out of people. Yet the Harley is 'louder' on a dB meter. Why ? Frequency, old bean, frequency. It's not the dB that annoys, it's the frequency. Which is why the NCT sound test is a complete waste of time. Certain cars will pass it with ease, aftermarket pipes and all, be 100% legal, and still annoy citizens who live near ringroads, etc. Others, won't, but their owner's may well be annoyed if they fail this joke of a test. I suspect high rpm capable motors, and Mazda Rotaries will be the surprise winners of that .......

Consider: and this is from memory, so don't shoot me on it just yet, but the EU noise test for cars involves accelerating flat out, in 2nd gear. IOW, engine under load, and the test must be carried out with the meter at.......30m? ...at right angles to the vehicles direction of travel. Loads of ammo there for someone who wants to fight the EU vs Ireland fight on freedom of movement of Goods.........

I drove this for 9 months and never had bother off the Guards, it was fairly loud too. Collecting another car though one day my Dad was following me in the Celica, we were both speeding, he was pulled over, I wasn't. He reckons it was because of the car.





Once you have all your discs displayed, have your licence on you and don't drive like a c0ck you should have no probs whatsoever. Every town and city in the country has boy racers spinning about every evening and the Guards don't seem overly interested.

L1011

The colour of the car seems to have a major, major impact.

Know someone in NI with my car in white, gets hassle off the PSNI and the Guards when he goes across the border. I have it in anthracite grey, spend a LOT of time in NI, never have hassle off either. I'd suspect it applies even more to Civics and 'tegs tbh.

Henry Ford III

Insurance for a 17 y.o. on a Civic could be prohibitive.

Max Power1

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Insurance for a 17 y.o. on a Civic could be prohibitive.

Prohibitive is putting it mildly! 17 yo male on a provisional , no experience, coupled with a Civic? Id say youre looking at north of 2 grand for that

JHMEG

galwaytt wrote: »

My Harley is loud, and 100% legal, and people seem to like it. My Suzuki is 100% legal, not loud, and annoys the **** out of people. Yet the Harley is 'louder' on a dB meter. Why ? Frequency, old bean, frequency.

If your Suzuki looked like your Suzuki but sounded like your Harley it'd annoy people. People "like" your Harley... cos it's a Harley!

Similarly people would forgive a Ferarri............ but not a Civic that sounded like one.

LIGHTNING wrote:

Ferraris and their supercar like sound fantastic where as the jap tins cans you see been ragged in a industrial estate do not

QED.

Berty

MYOB wrote: »

The colour of the car seems to have a major, major impact.

Know someone in NI with my car in white, gets hassle off the PSNI and the Guards when he goes across the border. I have it in anthracite grey, spend a LOT of time in NI, never have hassle off either. I'd suspect it applies even more to Civics and 'tegs tbh.

TBF you drive a "sleeper" of sorts. Who would suspect your car?

Civic though, certainly a different box of frogs altogether.

JHMEG

Berty wrote: »

TBF you drive a "sleeper" of sorts. Who would suspect your car?

What is it? A Punto iirc?

Mc Love

Shouldnt this be in the modified motors forum

-Corkie-

I hate them stupid boy racer cars with all that noise and no power i love flooring it behind them and passing them in their sardine tins

Doyler92

Mc Love wrote: »

Shouldnt this be in the modified motors forum

I never said I was modifying it:p

SV

SARASON wrote: »

I hate them stupid boy racer cars with all that noise and no power i love flooring it behind them and passing them in their sardine tins

And what, pray tell, do you drive?

I think most people are pretty ignorant as to just how fast some of these "boy racer" cars(as they call them) are..

JHMEG

SARASON wrote: »

I hate them stupid boy racer cars with all that noise and no power i love flooring it behind them and passing them in their sardine tins

If you're racing the boy racers that makes you eh... a boy racer!

Mc Love

Bot racers are the type that turn their cars into skangermobiles.

Note: Please see skangermobile thread

EPM

Mc Love wrote: »

Bot racers are the type that turn their cars into skangermobiles.

Note: Please see skangermobile thread

Eh no...

People tar anyone with a modified Jap car as boy racers. The majority don't act the maggot, at least not more than anyone else with an unmodified car. Modifying a car does not automatically turn it into a skangermobile

SV

JHMEG wrote: »

If you're racing the boy racers that makes you eh... a boy racer!

actually, after seeing his profile I can only assume he drives a passat, probably a tdi considering the attitude so eh..if he's 'flooring it' I can only assume these people he calls 'boy racers' aren't even trying and are too busy laughing at the guy in his passat thinking it's fast