What age for weights?

Daniel2oo9

Hey guys im 15 years old and training in Rebel MMA In Cork city.
Im a bit pudgy not huge but i was wondering should i try to lose weight before i start weight training
Thanks

-DanieL-:D

arybvtcw0eolkf

No Dan, just go and train you'll be grand - honestly.

Transform

Daniel2oo9 wrote: »

Hey guys im 15 years old and training in Rebel MMA In Cork city.
Im a bit pudgy not huge but i was wondering should i try to lose weight before i start weight training
Thanks

-DanieL-:D

focus on press ups, pull ups and body weight squats and please sort diet out and eat more healthy

EileenG

Actually, you might already be a little too old to get the best benefit from weights! There was a study in Denmark which found that when pre-puberty children trained with weights or high impact sports, it kick-started bone density, so that they had strong bones for the rest of their lives.

Absolutely do weight training. Use the same guidelines as everyone else; lift intensely, but only what you can manage with perfect form. You won't stunt your growth.

nullzero

If you have doubts talk to your doctor. They'll be able to give you better advice than the somewhat dubious advice you'll get on a forum.
Your doctor will be able to offer you much better advice, you should discount the advice you get here as it is all simply opinions. It's your body after all, do the smart thing.

BobbyOLeary

nullzero wrote: »

If you have doubts talk to your doctor. They'll be able to give you better advice than the somewhat dubious advice you'll get on a forum.
Your doctor will be able to offer you much better advice, you should discount the advice you get here as it is all simply opinions. It's your body after all, do the smart thing.

About weightlifting? Doctors won't really be able to tell you much on the subject. They're trained to make sick people better, not how to improve the athletic performance of a healthy kid.

Dan, talk to your coach about it and tell him what you want to achieve. The most important thing for you right now is to strive for perfect form. You get that right now and you'll have it for the rest of your life. What you're looking for is a good trainer who cares more about your wellbeing than the weights you're lifting.

Assets Model

I doubt you're too young. The club i just joined in Germany has tiny kids weightlifting (more than me sadly) http://www.ftgpfungstadt-gewichtheben.de/

EileenG

nullzero wrote: »

If you have doubts talk to your doctor. They'll be able to give you better advice than the somewhat dubious advice you'll get on a forum.
Your doctor will be able to offer you much better advice, you should discount the advice you get here as it is all simply opinions. It's your body after all, do the smart thing.

You must have a much better doctor than I do. Mine answers everything with "Why would you want to do that?" I've got into the habit of going in armed with reference books and study references now. And to be honest, I reckon I'm ahead of the game that my doc will actually listen to what I have to say and occasionally even look at the books. The previous one answered everything with a prescription for antibiotics.

Dave Joyce

Hey Daniel, as Bobby O'Leary has suggested, have a chat with your coaches. I believe the MMA coach has a very experienced background in Judo and Craig O'Flynn who owns the premises has a very extensive background in martial arts AND fitness, so they'll be able to put you at ease. Best of luck with the training;)

Transform

EileenG wrote: »

You must have a much better doctor than I do. Mine answers everything with "Why would you want to do that?" I've got into the habit of going in armed with reference books and study references now. And to be honest, I reckon I'm ahead of the game that my doc will actually listen to what I have to say and occasionally even look at the books. The previous one answered everything with a prescription for antibiotics.

agreed and i have done regular sessions with kids from 9-12yr old and up.

plenty of burpees, press ups, pull ups, core work, squats, lunges etc no need for any added weights at all.

oh and all of that was with some clients daughters so i think a 15yr old guy would be grand when the basics are done well - please NO biceps curls or bench presses until you can do pull ups and 15-20 full press ups

colly10

nullzero wrote: »

If you have doubts talk to your doctor. They'll be able to give you better advice than the somewhat dubious advice you'll get on a forum.
Your doctor will be able to offer you much better advice, you should discount the advice you get here as it is all simply opinions. It's your body after all, do the smart thing.

The last time I went to the doctor I was told my BMI was borderline (im around 11-12% bf). I said to him that BMI is rubbish anyway and he told me that as I get older any muscle I have will turn to fat (impossible btw).
They don't study this stuff, as said they study how to make sick people better

nullzero

Do any of you think that you are qualified to give advice on weight training to a minor based on a couple of sentences posted on a web forum?
The only advice you should give him is to seek proper advice from a professional qualified person who can assess him properly. A GP is a good place to start as they can refer you to a more specialist individual.
You're all making a lot of asumptions and handing out advice like confetti. What works for one person isn't always right for another. I could tell that young lad that he should be fine to lift weights but it's not my place and if he has misgivings about starting weight training then he should consult with someone who can offer him something other than anecdotal evidence that he is ready to start weight training or not.

BobbyOLeary

nullzero wrote: »

he should consult with someone who can offer him something other than anecdotal evidence that he is ready to start weight training or not.

Indeed he should. Hence me and Dave saying to talk to his coaches. They know more than doctors about this. To be honest though, I chatted to an orthopedics consultant after a lecture one day and he said he'd never seen a kid come in with an injury from lifting weights. Anecdotal evidence I know so the kid should go to a qualified coach and have a chat about what to do.

EileenG

nullzero wrote: »

Do any of you think that you are qualified to give advice on weight training to a minor based on a couple of sentences posted on a web forum?
The only advice you should give him is to seek proper advice from a professional qualified person who can assess him properly. A GP is a good place to start as they can refer you to a more specialist individual.
You're all making a lot of asumptions and handing out advice like confetti. What works for one person isn't always right for another. I could tell that young lad that he should be fine to lift weights but it's not my place and if he has misgivings about starting weight training then he should consult with someone who can offer him something other than anecdotal evidence that he is ready to start weight training or not.

On that basis, none of us are qualified to give any advice ever. The fact that he is a minor should not make any difference to the basic advice which is to take the normal precautions.

If you believe a GP is a good person to give advice on weight training, good luck to you. I've got to say I've never asked mine about deadlifting.

This is not a boy talking about training for an Ironman, he's asking if he should train with weights now or later. If you have any proof that there is any danger to a 15 year old boy doing proper supervised weight training, I'd love to see it.

J-Fit

nullzero wrote: »

Do any of you think that you are qualified to give advice on weight training to a minor based on a couple of sentences posted on a web forum?
The only advice you should give him is to seek proper advice from a professional qualified person who can assess him properly. A GP is a good place to start as they can refer you to a more specialist individual.
You're all making a lot of asumptions and handing out advice like confetti. What works for one person isn't always right for another. I could tell that young lad that he should be fine to lift weights but it's not my place and if he has misgivings about starting weight training then he should consult with someone who can offer him something other than anecdotal evidence that he is ready to start weight training or not.

Several people here are actually qualified to give advice on weight training and a GP is not a good place to start because in my experience it throws up all the old arguements about stunted growth and increased aggression. In this day and age we are trying to get people more active and unfortunately GPs have not stayed current to the research. A sad but true fact.

Inspector Coptoor

there is no age too young or too old to begin weight training.

However, there is a right way and a wrong way to train with weights.

Dont just go tearing into weights on your own bat.
read up on weight training and ask a coach/trainer to go through the lifts with you.
re read what transform said about those particular exercises and really read up on diet and make small changes week by week until you have a good diet.

remember, weight training is not about lifting huge weights when you first start out, its about using weights and resistance training (which can be just your own body weight) to make you stronger, leaner and faster.

Inspector Coptoor

nullzero wrote: »

Do any of you think that you are qualified to give advice on weight training to a minor based on a couple of sentences posted on a web forum?
The only advice you should give him is to seek proper advice from a professional qualified person who can assess him properly. A GP is a good place to start as they can refer you to a more specialist individual.
You're all making a lot of asumptions and handing out advice like confetti. What works for one person isn't always right for another. I could tell that young lad that he should be fine to lift weights but it's not my place and if he has misgivings about starting weight training then he should consult with someone who can offer him something other than anecdotal evidence that he is ready to start weight training or not.

A GP is NOT a good place to start. it seriously isnt.
the clue is in the name, General Practitioner.
the majority of them when prescribing exercise prescribe walking and while ive nothing against walking, its not exactly high intensity training.

A lot of people who post here are qualified to give opinions and more are in the process of becoming qualified to do so.

Just becaue you are a keyboard warrior, doesnt mean everyone else is

Most doctors I've seen in my lifetime are overweight, why on earth would I listen to them when it comes to prescribing exercises and nutrition ? They are experts at making me better when I'm sick. Not at training me to look good and be strong and they don't really try to do that anyway.

Liam Henners257

Liam Henners257 wrote: »

Just becaue you are a keyboard warrior, doesnt mean everyone else is

I don't think he is being a keyboard warrior...

I still think a young child should be examined by a doctor like most people before embarking on a fitness regime. That's just common sense isn't it ?

BobbyOLeary

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't think he is being a keyboard warrior...

I still think a young child should be examined by a doctor like most people before embarking on a fitness regime. That's just common sense isn't it ?

What exactly is the doc going to examine?

And on the overweight point I don't buy it. You'll listen to the same overweight doc when he talks about lowering your cholesterol or other cardiological stuff but nutrition is out? What if he tells you to increase protein, lower carbs and cut out processed food? Is he automatically wrong because he's fat?

J-Fit

Deleted User wrote: »

I still think a young child should be examined by a doctor like most people before embarking on a fitness regime. That's just common sense isn't it ?

Maybe from a cardiovascular health point of view, considering the recent increase in sudden adult death sydrome but if a child is generally physcially fit, they are ready to go.

BobbyOLeary wrote: »

What if he tells you to increase protein, lower carbs and cut out processed food? Is he automatically wrong because he's fat?

Of course he's not wrong. I think what he means is that most doctors do not come out with information of this quality and accuracy.

BobbyOLeary

J-Fit wrote: »

Of course he's not wrong. I think what he means is that most doctors do not come out with information of this quality and accuracy.

Fair enough but that has nothing to do with his weight. The advice is sound regardless of who says it.

nullzero

You people are all seriously weird.

I'm in the gym almost every day of the week. I do quite a bit of weight training myself, I've been doing it for years and have opinions on a lot of things, it doesn't give me the right to hand out advice to others, particularly young impressionable people.

You've all jumped on me for suggesting that the young man who opened this thread seek advice from a qualified person. The suggestion that he should consult a GP was based on the fact that he would use his GP as a starting point as he clearly has no idea what so ever what he's getting into. A good GP would point him in the direction of someone who could help him properly.
My own GP would fit this mould, perhaps you have all had bad experiences with your GP's, if that is the case I suggest you change GP.

I was assuming (perhaps incorrectly) that because he had arrived on this forum looking for advice that he possibly doesn't know how to get in touch with a trainer etc.
My expectation from my own experience would be that the GP would say he was fine to do weight training and then have the kop on to point him in the direction of a trainer.
Teenagers don't necessarily know how to get in contact with qualified fitness professionals, and as anyone who's ever had an injury will know, a GP can easily refer you to host of different physio's, a lot of which work as persoanl trainers also. I wasn't expecting his GP to hit the gym with him and show him how to lift weights, but my logic was reasonably sound.

You're all hung up on people thinking that weight training in juveniles will cause stunted growth, that was never even raised as a topic.
We're all assuming this young man is fit, perhaps he isn't, we just don't know, hence we should leave the advice to people who can physically assess him and get him on the right track from the start.
As this young man clearly doesn't have a trainer saying "yeah fire ahead" to weight training could result in him trying it on his own at home and developing bad habits and or doing himself and injury.

To the OP; my point was simple, seek advice from people who can help you properly as none of us here can really give you a definitive answer.

nullzero

Liam Henners257 wrote: »

Just becaue you are a keyboard warrior, doesnt mean everyone else is

You're making assumptions and making yourself look stupid in the process.

Inspector Coptoor

nullzero wrote: »

You're making assumptions and making yourself look stupid in the process.

NOT

BobbyOLeary

BobbyOLeary wrote: »

What exactly is the doc going to examine?

And on the overweight point I don't buy it. You'll listen to the same overweight doc when he talks about lowering your cholesterol or other cardiological stuff but nutrition is out? What if he tells you to increase protein, lower carbs and cut out processed food? Is he automatically wrong because he's fat?

I'll certainly listen because I respect his position as a medical professional. However, I'll make my own decisions. If he gives me nutritional advice, I'll get a second opinion from a nutritionist with a good reputation who also has a good referral rate.

To explain my point of view, a message is easy to believe when it comes from a source who lives and breathes their world view i.e. Apple, they believe in innovating, it comes across in everything they do and a lot of people trust them for this. Or a top personal trainer like Transform, he's an excellent ambassador for the fitness world because he lives and breathes it and takes his advice he dishes out to clients and most people with a brain listen to what he says etc.

I'm personally going to find it hard to pay much attention to a fat doctor who tries telling me how to eat. Yeah I'll go to him when I'm sick to get better but will find it easier to listen to what he says if he advocates what he says by the lifestyle he leads.

In other words, I find it difficult to pay too much attention to overweight GP's because with the knowledge they have armed themselves with, they continue to neglect themselves which basically contradicts their world view to begin with or at the very least shows a lack of passion for what they do.

J-Fit

nullzero wrote: »

You people are all seriously weird.

I'm in the gym almost every day of the week. I do quite a bit of weight training myself, I've been doing it for years and have opinions on a lot of things, it doesn't give me the right to hand out advice to others, particularly young impressionable people.

You've all jumped on me for suggesting that the young man who opened this thread seek advice from a qualified person. The suggestion that he should consult a GP was based on the fact that he would use his GP as a starting point as he clearly has no idea what so ever what he's getting into. A good GP would point him in the direction of someone who could help him properly.
My own GP would fit this mould, perhaps you have all had bad experiences with your GP's, if that is the case I suggest you change GP.

I was assuming (perhaps incorrectly) that because he had arrived on this forum looking for advice that he possibly doesn't know how to get in touch with a trainer etc.
My expectation from my own experience would be that the GP would say he was fine to do weight training and then have the kop on to point him in the direction of a trainer.
Teenagers don't necessarily know how to get in contact with qualified fitness professionals, and as anyone who's ever had an injury will know, a GP can easily refer you to host of different physio's, a lot of which work as persoanl trainers also. I wasn't expecting his GP to hit the gym with him and show him how to lift weights, but my logic was reasonably sound.

You're all hung up on people thinking that weight training in juveniles will cause stunted growth, that was never even raised as a topic.
We're all assuming this young man is fit, perhaps he isn't, we just don't know, hence we should leave the advice to people who can physically assess him and get him on the right track from the start.
As this young man clearly doesn't have a trainer saying "yeah fire ahead" to weight training could result in him trying it on his own at home and developing bad habits and or doing himself and injury.

To the OP; my point was simple, seek advice from people who can help you properly as none of us here can really give you a definitive answer.

Cool it. You shouldn't have expected any other answer on the fitness forum. We are all advocates of weight training for people of all ages and advise people to undertake it with the best of intentions. There is no danger. If the OP feels he needs to see a GP based on what's in the thread he now has enough impetus to do so. Throwing around insults doesn't help you or him.

Gers_punto

im sure if you asked your trainer in rebel mma he/she would give ya the advice ya need pal:D

nullzero

J-Fit wrote: »

Cool it. You shouldn't have expected any other answer on the fitness forum. We are all advocates of weight training for people of all ages and advise people to undertake it with the best of intentions. There is no danger. If the OP feels he needs to see a GP based on what's in the thread he now has enough impetus to do so. Throwing around insults doesn't help you or him.

My point is that because there is such a leaning towards advocating weight training for all on this forum that he should seek a more balanced type of advice.
Can you not see how this is a more logical approach then simple saying he throw himself into weight training without a thought?

The problem I have is with the amount of people here who can't see beyond the end's of their own noses to see that the OP should really be looking elsewhere for a more balanced view on this subject.

nullzero

Liam Henners257 wrote: »

NOT

Facepalm

J-Fit

nullzero wrote: »

My point is that because there is such a leaning towards advocating weight training for all on this forum that he should seek a more balanced type of advice.
Can you not see how this is a more logical approach then simple saying he throw himself into weight training without a thought?

The problem I have is with the amount of people here who can't see beyond the end's of their own noses to see that the OP should really be looking elsewhere for a more balanced view on this subject.

This is turning into a "won't anyone think of the children moment". He can now make his own decision either way.

podge57

nullzero wrote: »

My point is that because there is such a leaning towards advocating weight training for all on this forum that he should seek a more balanced type of advice.
Can you not see how this is a more logical approach then simple saying he throw himself into weight training without a thought?

The problem I have is with the amount of people here who can't see beyond the end's of their own noses to see that the OP should really be looking elsewhere for a more balanced view on this subject.

Going to a doctor could be extremely counter-productive. The majority of doctors do not have a good knowledge of strength training, and they tend to have a strong bias against it for young teenagers. What they prescribe could well end up causing more harm than good - I've heard of doctors saying younger teens should stick to machines, which will limit how well they develop their balance, co-ordination and neuromuscular efficiency.

Weightlifting is also much safer than contact sports like rugby, football, soccer etc, and I dont think there is any need to be as cautious as you suggest

nullzero

podge57 wrote: »

Going to a doctor could be extremely counter-productive. The majority of doctors do not have a good knowledge of strength training, and they tend to have a strong bias against it for young teenagers. What they prescribe could well end up causing more harm than good - I've heard of doctors saying younger teens should stick to machines, which will limit how well they develop their balance, co-ordination and neuromuscular efficiency.

Weightlifting is also much safer than contact sports like rugby, football, soccer etc, and I dont think there is any need to be as cautious as you suggest

You clearly didn't read my post properly.
Christ on a bike, can anyone employ reason here?

Inspector Coptoor

nullzero wrote: »

You clearly didn't read my post properly.
Christ on a bike, can anyone employ reason here?

you are the one clearly not reading anyone elses posts.

IN fact, the first thing i said in a post to the OP was NOT to throw himself into weights training but to research and talk to a qualified person.

everyone so far pretty much disagrees with you.

does that not perhaps tell you that you are the one who cannot employ reason? or maybe, just maybe consider that you are wrong.

ragg

lol

rubadub

I am not sure if people even read the OPs question, the title mentioned age

Daniel2oo9 wrote: »

Hey guys im 15 years old and training in Rebel MMA In Cork city.
Im a bit pudgy not huge but i was wondering should i try to lose weight before i start weight training

But he is asking about being overweight and if he should first lose weight. Some have a preconception that you should lose weight first, I think it comes from hearing of bodybuilders bulk/cut protocol. If you are overweight then some of this excess weight will be muscle, it would be a shame to lose it when you could keep it which will increase your metabolism and keep you stronger. The extra weight can give you more resistance to work with on bodyweight exercises

nullzero wrote: »

You've all jumped on me for suggesting that the young man who opened this thread seek advice from a qualified person

Your first post was quite dismissive and insulting.

nullzero wrote: »

If you have doubts talk to your doctor. They'll be able to give you better advice than the somewhat dubious advice you'll get on a forum.
Your doctor will be able to offer you much better advice, you should discount the advice you get here as it is all simply opinions.

nullzero wrote: »

We're all assuming this young man is fit, perhaps he isn't, we just don't know, hence we should leave the advice to people who can physically assess him and get him on the right track from the start.

I am not sure why you are even on message forums if you are going to discount everybodys opinion. Using your logic pretty much every thread would be closed and tell the person to go see a doctor since we do not know the persons state of health.

nullzero

Liam Henners257 wrote: »

you are the one clearly not reading anyone elses posts.

IN fact, the first thing i said in a post to the OP was NOT to throw himself into weights training but to research and talk to a qualified person.

everyone so far pretty much disagrees with you.

does that not perhaps tell you that you are the one who cannot employ reason? or maybe, just maybe consider that you are wrong.

I simply suggested the OP should seek proper advice and not rely on the opinions on this or any other forum.

Everyone disagreed with me because there were blanks left in what I said (my fault and I apologise) which they proceeded to fill in themsleves.

I'm not wrong in saying that seeking advice from professionals is a better corse of action than relying on people on a forum. It's obvious.
I suggested he go to his GP because GP's can point you in the right direction. Everyone who had a go at me assumed that I was expecting his GP to be going to the gym with him and acting as a personal trainer which is a load of crap.

Also, Rubadub, I was not being dismissive or insulting.
I was making a valid point that a forum isn't the best place for the OP to seek advice, I wasn't having a go at anyone.
Web forums have all sorts of opinions, just because I'm not on this forum agreeing with everyone doesn't mean I have no right to be here and my logic doesn't extend to locking all threads etc... what a load of crap.

In a nutshell I was trying to say to the OP: Go to someone who can actually help you. Don't rely on the opinions of people on a forum who can't be expected to make a call on what's right for you.

If that is insulting to you lot you need your heads examined.
Sorry for not going with the flow and agreeing with everyone else, what on earth was I thinking?

mushykeogh

Just thought id add these to the mix, always good to read; The NSCA position on youth resistance training, and a link to asca position on same, 4 parts to this but good reading imo.
http://www.strengthandconditioning.org/content.aspx?clID=/default.aspx&ID=195

gstack

http://www.lsus.edu/weightlifting/Papers%20Presented2.htm

cowzerp

nullzero wrote: »

If you have doubts talk to your doctor. They'll be able to give you better advice than the somewhat dubious advice you'll get on a forum..

Im a personal trainer and Doctors come to me to get trained and for weight loss/fitness advise, Doctors dont train to deal with healthy people at all and fitness etc is not part of a doctors training-any knowledge they have in that regards would be from training with qualified coaches or from magazines the same way you would get it.

Most doctors i know have outdated opinions on fitness and would be the worst people to ask for the advise, go to a qualified fitness trainer or ask advise from your own coach, ps, most martial arts coaches know little about weight training aswell so best just going to a qualified weight training proffessional.

nullzero

cowzerp wrote: »

Im a personal trainer and Doctors come to me to get trained and for weight loss/fitness advise, Doctors dont train to deal with healthy people at all and fitness etc is not part of a doctors training-any knowledge they have in that regards would be from training with qualified coaches or from magazines the same way you would get it.

Most doctors i know have outdated opinions on fitness and would be the worst people to ask for the advise, go to a qualified fitness trainer or ask advise from your own coach, ps, most martial arts coaches know little about weight training aswell so best just going to a qualified weight training proffessional.

I would think it would be possible for a moderator to be able to read over what someone has said before quoting them.

I said that if the OP hasn't got a clue where to go and get the information he needs his GP would be able to put him in contact with someone who can help him. As you said yourself, you as a trainer come into contact with doctors in your work, so they would have the means to put someone like the OP in contact with a professional trainer such as yourself.

I never said that your GP would be able to work out a fitness plan for you, or be there to spot you while you're lifting. The blind ignorance of this forum stuffed those words into my mouth.
I said that the OP should seek advice, in person from people who can help him properly. I never said weight training for teeangers is bad, or that GP's are actually personal trainers.

It's amazing how easily people can feel justified in jumping on what somebody says without actually taking the time to analyse it in any way what so ever.

cowzerp

nullzero wrote: »

I would think it would be possible for a moderator to be able to read over what someone has said before quoting them.

I never said that your GP would be able to work out a fitness plan for you, or be there to spot you while you're lifting. The blind ignorance of this forum stuffed those words into my mouth.
I said that the OP should seek advice, in person from people who can help him properly. I never said weight training for teeangers is bad, or that GP's are actually personal trainers..

Keep digging that hole for yourself-Why would you send the lad to a doctor that will cost 60 euro plus only for him to be sent to a trainer which you could have just done from the 1st post, also there is a good choice the doctor may just say something like "dont do weights as thay stunt your growth" its a lucky bag and pointless going to a doctor for training advise at all.

nullzero

cowzerp wrote: »

Keep digging that hole for yourself-Why would you send the lad to a doctor that will cost 60 euro plus only for him to be sent to a trainer which you could have just done from the 1st post, also there is a good choice the doctor may just say something like "dont do weights as thay stunt your growth" its a lucky bag and pointless going to a doctor for training advise at all.

Am I the one digging a hole here?
I was assuming the lad had no knowledge of how to contact a trainer. A GP would be able to say "here's a number of a trainer". I never said a doctor would give training advice, you're putting words in my mouth.
Everyone seems to think that I'm against the lad doing weight training and that by suggesting he go to a GP to be put on the right track he would be told to avoid the percieved evil of weight training by the outdated knowledge of docotrs regarding weight training.

All I was saying is that a GP is someone he could go to, to be refered onto a trainer in the event of him not knowing how to contact one himself, he could even do it over the phone, no need for a €60 fee.
The rest of what you and everyone else has accussed me of saying is purely fantastical BS with no foundation in reality.

Weight training might well be a great thing for the OP, I never said it wasn't, you're all so obsessed with everyone agreeing with you on weight training amongst younger people that you completely lost sight of reason.
This place is unbelievable, it really is.

cowzerp

nullzero wrote: »

Weight training might well be a great thing for the OP, I never said it wasn't, you're all so obsessed with everyone agreeing with you on weight training amongst younger people that you completely lost sight of reason.
This place is unbelievable, it really is.

im not talking about weight training, im talking about sending the person to the wrong person which you did and still wont accept that your wrong, gp's dont even all believe in weight training and certainly wont have personal trainers numbers on them!

the point im making but your not getting is that doctors can cause more harm than good in this circumstance, there just not qualified, do you not get that. anyway i'll leave you to your world where your always right.

nullzero

cowzerp wrote: »

im not talking about weight training, im talking about sending the person to the wrong person which you did and still wont accept that your wrong, gp's dont even all believe in weight training and certainly wont have personal trainers numbers on them!

the point im making but your not getting is that doctors can cause more harm than good in this circumstance, there just not qualified, do you not get that. anyway i'll leave you to your world where your always right.

Are you for real?
That is the most daft thing I've seen here so far.
I play football and I've had a number of injuries over the years, sometimes I have to go to the doctor so he can prescribe medication such as anti inflamitories etc... on those occassions he will offer me numbers for physio's who also act as personal trainers, it's a simple referal, like if you go to the doctor suffering from depression he'll refer you to a psychiatrist, it doesn't make the doctor the wrong person to go to, nor are they doing harm or good, they're just making a referal. There's no sinister plot by the GP's of Ireland to ban weight lifting.
Gp's don't believe in weight training? That's a pretty far reaching statement to make, does that include all of them? Talk about going out on a limb to make a point.

I never said I'm always right, thats pure crap and you know it.

arybvtcw0eolkf

nullzero wrote: »

In a nutshell I was trying to say to the OP: Go to someone who can actually help you. Don't rely on the opinions of people on a forum who can't be expected to make a call on what's right for you.

In a nutshell the advice I gave the OP in post number two is the proper course of action.

You know how many 15yr old kids come to Martial Arts clubs carrying a bit of fat?.

The very first person the OP should have spoken to is his coach, a good coach would know if the OP was carrying some medical issue's and would have advised him to go see a medical professional if there were any doubts about him training.

All the functional strength the OP will require for MMA can be gained through MMA training in his club.

So, in another nutshell - the OP doesn't need to either lift weights before losing weight, 'nor does he need to go see a GP for advice which is readily available from his coaches.

d'Oracle

nullzero wrote: »

This place is unbelievable, it really is.

Why are you still posting here then?

I mean, a number of experienced personal trainers have posted in response. All of whom are more qualified to give the level of advice they have given.
A med student has actually told you that a GP would have little insight.
I think its pretty unrealistic to expect GPs to know who is a good trainer and who isn't. If the qualified trainers are saying you are wrong, then would it not be probable that they are saying so on the basis that they don't get many referrals from GPs.

There is more than enough good advice for OP in the first 10 posts, excepting yours. The rest of this thread is you pointlessly going on with a loosing argument.

Which is grand, most of us do it now and again. But do yourself a favour and take the out.

cowzerp

nullzero wrote: »

on those occassions he will offer me numbers for physio's who also act as personal trainers, it's a simple referal, like if you go to the doctor suffering from depression he'll refer you to a psychiatrist, it doesn't make the doctor the wrong person to go to, nor are they doing harm or good, they're just making a referal.

So your advise is to send him to a doctor who may refer him to a physio who may or may not be a PT btw, who can refer the lad onto an actual PT if the physio does not luckily happen to be a personal trainer.

So to finish, maybe your Right, but the op can look at both sides, they can make a decision based on what we have both said and make an informed decision on where to go.

d'Oracle

cowzerp wrote: »

So to finish, maybe your Right, but the op can look at both sides, they can make a decision based on what we have both said and make an informed decision on where to go.

Or he can just go training like thousands of kids do every day.

TommyKnocker

Hi All

Folks, this thread has been dragged way of the topic the OP started.

It does not look like you guys are ever going to agree with each other, so if you have no advice to offer the OP, then could I suggest an end to the slagging match


M

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Op, ignore all the bullshít in here and go to your GP, get an opinion and get another opinion from a reputable trainer, go to any good gym and seek some advice. I don't think age is a problem, but other factors might be, weight, height, fitness etc etc.

Basically this thread has decended to a complete shítstorm. I mean, some of the claims are just taking the piss...