Ongoing religious scandals

robindch

pauldla wrote: »

[...] What Pope Benedict Knew [...]

What Frank think is that "around 2%" of catholic priests are pedophiles:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28282050

...which, I believe, would put the RCC significantly ahead of the figures for the rest of the population.

The Black Oil

Ireland.

https://twitter.com/Colmogorman/status/690248935290568704

robindch

The RCC in Australia is in damage-recovery after a bishop tells a lawyer - something - which results in the lawyer demanding that a sex abuse victim return her cash settlement after she speaks with the media about the abuse.

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-21/church-lawyer-demands-child-abuse-victim-repay-compensation/7105382

looksee

Has there ever been any research to show

Whether there is a higher proportion of pedophiles in the priesthood compared to lay life.

Whether there is a higher proportion of pedophiles in the RC church than other churches where ministers/priests are married.

Whether men become priests because they know they have pedophile sexual preferences

Or whether they become pedophiles out of frustration and opportunity.

How many young men were ordered/coerced or persuaded into the priesthood by their parents in order to have 'a priest in the family' (which used to be a big thing, a daughter as a nun was nearly as good).

looksee

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recedite

The Black Oil wrote: »

Ireland.

https://twitter.com/Colmogorman/status/690248935290568704

Interesting. I posted this on the schools thread, as the O Keeffe ruling is quite significant, in terms of whether the state is ultimately responsible for them or not.

Seth Brundle

Leopards don't change their spots!

http://m.independent.ie/world-news/americas/ive-been-frozen-out-by-the-church-for-warning-police-about-paedophile-34392990.html

eviltwin

kbannon wrote: »

Leopards don't change their spots!

http://m.independent.ie/world-news/americas/ive-been-frozen-out-by-the-church-for-warning-police-about-paedophile-34392990.html

Unfortunately none of this surprises me, the abuse or the cover up.

Cabaal

Also doesn't surprise me, just seems like business as usual for the church

Cabaal

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2016/01/25/respect-5/

Respect???

“Easter 1916 was a cold and passionate dawn, for a new Ireland. In 100 years we have built on the new day the Rising leaders gave us. We founded a new state, we declared a Republic, we joined the European Union. At long last, we put our children first and respected the Magdelene women. We made marriage equal. It is that sense of generosity, compassion, strength, and imagination that will be the making of us as a people, a nation.”

Enda Kenny speaking at the Fine Gael Ard Fheis at the weekend.

In addition, readers may wish to recall a post from 2014, based on a BBC report about then 83-year-old Mary Merritt who spent 14 years in the High Park magdalene laundry in Drumcondra, Dublin.

It was reported that Ms Merritt told former Senator Martin McAleese – author of the McAleese Report into the magdalene laundries – about how, one day, she broke a window and ran away from the laundry. She went to a priest and begged for help. The priest raped her before giving her sixpence. The gardaí then brought her back to the laundry. Ms Merritt became pregnant as a result of the rape. Her daughter, Carmel, was taken by the nuns and put up for adoption. Ms Merritt didn’t see her daughter again for another 40 years.

Ms Merritt’s testimony of her rape was not included in the McAleese Report.

Good ****! :mad:

Nodin

Cabaal wrote: »

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2016/01/25/respect-5/

Respect???



Enda Kenny speaking at the Fine Gael Ard Fheis at the weekend.





Good ****! :mad:

Hundreds of pages of testimony of violent physical abuse were included with the report, but none were referenced by it and the type of violence they describe almost totally dismissed as a common phenomena, going on memory. Nice to see FG breaking the mould there.

Shrap

“Easter 1916 was a cold and passionate dawn, for a new Ireland. In 100 years we have built on the new day the Rising leaders gave us. We founded a new state, we declared a Republic, we joined the European Union. At long last, we put our children first and respected the Magdelene women. We made marriage equal. It is that sense of generosity, compassion, strength, and imagination that will be the making of us as a people, a nation.”

Apart from the factual sentence about founding a new state, declaring a republic and joining the EU, there is not one word of truth in this paragraph, unless "built on" somehow now means "criminally squandered" and "respected" now means "told to fcuk off". And as for putting our children first, I'm fairly sure our young emigrants might reinterpret our "sense of generosity, compassion, strength, and imagination" to a "dangerous sense of gullibility and childish fantasy".

Otherwise, nice speech :rolleyes:

Nodin

3am FG HQ.....

'But we have to get him to reference it, the year that's in it'
'Yeah, but it has to be done in the most vague non-revolutionary way possible'
'Careful now' is the way we go'
'I have it......'

Easter 1916 was a cold and passionate dawn, for a new Ireland.

looksee

“Easter 1916 was a cold and passionate dawn, for a new Ireland. In 100 years we have built on It took us 100 years to build on the new day the Rising leaders gave us. We founded a new state, we declared a Republic, we joined the European Union. At long last, we put our children first and respected the Magdelene women. We made marriage equal. It is that sense of generosity, compassion, strength, and imagination that will be the making of us as a people, a nation.”

Fixed that for you. Its still a dodgy mixed metaphore mind you.

Nodin

looksee wrote: »

“Easter 1916 was a cold and passionate dawn, for a new Ireland. In 100 years we have built on It took us 100 years to build on the new day the Rising leaders gave us. We founded a new state, we declared a Republic, we joined the European Union. At long last, we put our children first and respected the Magdelene women. We made marriage equal. It is that sense of generosity, compassion, strength, and imagination that will be the making of us as a people, a nation.”

Fixed that for you. Its still a dodgy mixed metaphore mind you.

'and because of those brave rebels, women are free to feck off to Britain to carry out their dirty business' was probably deemed too dubious, I suppose.

Cabaal

Also they certainly didn't build on the Ireland that existed for decades, stuff like marriage equality, getting rid of Magdelene places etc has involved the shedding of catholic control. Not building on it

Hotblack Desiato

we put our children first

If they're catholic :mad:

Cabaal

Liveline Podcast

Fr John Gallagher from Strabane has found himself completely ostracised by the Catholic Church in Florida because he reported a paedophile priest. Fr Tom Doyle, a canon lawyer, was not surprised.

Can listen to podcast at http://www.rte.ie/cspodcasts/media.mp3?c1=2&c2=16951747&ns_site=test&ns_type=clickin&rte_vs_ct=aud&rte_vs_sc=pod&rte_mt_sec=radio&rte_vs_sn=radio1&rte_mt_pub_dt=2016-01-26&rte_mt_prg_name=test-liveline&title=Punished%20for%20Reporting%20a%20Paedophile%20Priest&c7=http%3A%2F%2Fpodcast.rasset.ie%2Fpodcasts%2Faudio%2F2016%2F0126%2F20160126_rteradio1-liveline-punishedfo_c20921108_20921111_232_drm_.mp3&r=http%3A%2F%2Fpodcast.rasset.ie%2Fpodcasts%2Faudio%2F2016%2F0126%2F20160126_rteradio1-liveline-punishedfo_c20921108_20921111_232_drm_.mp3

Seth Brundle

Would-be priest (23) charged with 'trying to arrange sex with infant girl'
A Roman Catholic seminary student has been arrested in California, suspected of intending to travel to Mexico to have sex with a baby or toddler.

Seth Brundle

Would-be priest (23) charged with 'trying to arrange sex with infant girl'
A Roman Catholic seminary student has been arrested in California, suspected of intending to travel to Mexico to have sex with a baby or toddler.

Nodin

kbannon wrote: »

Would-be priest (23) charged with 'trying to arrange sex with infant girl'
A Roman Catholic seminary student has been arrested in California, suspected of intending to travel to Mexico to have sex with a baby or toddler.

...in fairness, no coverup there by the looks of it, bad as it is.

Seth Brundle

Nodin wrote: »

...in fairness, no coverup there by the looks of it, bad as it is.

I wasn't suggesting that there was a cover up!

Bristolscale7

Nodin wrote: »

...in fairness, no coverup there by the looks of it, bad as it is.

Because he wasnt ordained yet.

Hotblack Desiato

Bristolscale7 wrote: »

Because he wasnt ordained yet.

Not a made man.

Nodin

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Not a made man.

'not a friend of ours'

jimd2

Let's discuss this case

http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0204/765448-rape-appeal/
The Court of Appeal has reserved its decision on the appeal by the DPP against the leniency of a seven-year suspended sentence imposed on a man who repeatedly raped his girlfriend while she slept.

Oh no, I just realised it doesnt involve a priest so it's not worth discussing.

Perhaps this one
http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0118/761093-ellahi-sentence-courts/
A young woman with Down Syndrome who was raped has been robbed of her independence and the future she could have had, a sentencing hearing has heard.

Faisal Ellahi, 34, was convicted last December of raping and sexually assaulting the young woman, who is in her 20s.

No mate, this doesnt involve a priest or religuous person either.

Well then we really need to discuss how appalling this is
http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/1102/739028-man-jailed-for-15-years-for-assaulting-daughter/

A 77-year-old man is facing seven years in jail for raping his daughter.

James Broderick was sentenced at the Central Criminal Court to 15 years in prison, with the final eight years suspended, for the rape and indecent assault of his daughter Rita Broderick, who has waived her right to anonymity.

No, do you not get the drift? We are only interested around here in rapes and abuse when it's a priest or religuous that commit the crime. These offenders are ordinary people not priests so these things happen, not worth commenting on.


Guys and gals, this is an absolutely ridiculous thread. Either discuss this stuff when it involves all people not just singling out one part of the population. I dont see a thread over in the Christianity section of scandals involving atheists and if there was I would rant at them also.

Hotblack Desiato

G'wan, tell us we're all going to hell.

The Randy Riverbeast

Tell us more

One eyed Jack

jimd2 wrote: »

No, do you not get the drift? We are only interested around here in rapes and abuse when it's a priest or religuous that commit the crime. These offenders are ordinary people not priests so these things happen, not worth commenting on.


Guys and gals, this is an absolutely ridiculous thread. Either discuss this stuff when it involves all people not just singling out one part of the population. I dont see a thread over in the Christianity section of scandals involving atheists and if there was I would rant at them also.

The subject of the thread, is ongoing religious scandals. There are as you quite rightly point out, plenty of other forums where the cases you mention can be discussed.

Bloody poor attempt at whataboutery though tbh.

Shrap

jimd2 wrote: »

Either discuss this stuff when it involves all people not just singling out one part of the population.

I think the point has whooshed straight over your head that scandals involving only the religious orders are highlighted here due to their job description of preaching and imposition of a (allegedly superior) high moral ground. These scandals are relevant to us in terms of the double standards and outright lies of those who claim to be "holier than thou".