300 Ryanair jobs lost

Wile E. Coyote

http://www.sbpost.ie/breakingnews/ireland/eyeysncwsney/

Ryanair have just confirmed the 300 jobs offered to Dublin are now gone as the Government wouldn't help them aquire hanger 6.

What a disaster. Surely they could have and should have done more to get these jobs especially as Aer Lingus just reported an operating loss of €81 million and said that they may have to cut 1,100 jobs. :mad:

whatdoicare

That's a total disgrace, it's like those in power actually want this country to go belly up.:mad:

Drummerboy2

Its a disgrace. I watched Frontline last night. There was a guy on who had accompanied Coughlan on trade missions on behalf of the country. He said that her efforts were cringeworthy. What a statement.

Sheeps

I'm actually glad. Kind of puts the Irish government in their place. Hopefully this will be a wakeup call.

Wile E. Coyote

It's a joke. Aerlingus should have been booted out of that hanger the minute those jobs were offered and Coughlan should be the next one to resign for this monumental f*** up!

stevenmu

Yes because the entire country should bend over backwards and give Michael O'Leary everything he wants for a whole 300 jobs.

genericguy

i hate michael o leary, but he should refuse to take on irish staff now out of spite. if he turned around and said that he wouldn't take any irish on until FF were ousted then I actually reckon people would listen.

jellie

I dont know the full details of all of this but ryanair have come across like a spoilt child and a bully IMO. they will give the jobs only if they get it THEIR way. it HAD to be that hangar despite it currently being occupied and despite offers to actually BUILD them a whole new one.

now maybe there is more the government could have done, but afaik* ryanair would not budge whatsoever on their demands. sounds to me like they were TRYING to make the government look bad.


*i am open to corrections. i havent followed the story in detail.

Wile E. Coyote

stevenmu wrote: »

Yes because the entire country should bend over backwards and give Michael O'Leary everything he wants for a whole 300 jobs.

Are Aerlingus going to create 300 jobs? No they haven't created a job in years so why bend over backwards to suit them?

Riamfada

400,000 other people are not getting the same sympathy from you lot. 300 jobs like its the end of the world and you all bow down to the spiteful wanker O'Leary.

token56

I couldn't care less about Michael O Leary, all I want is for that amadan Coughlan to be out of her job as soon as possible.

legatti

thoose jobs were not lost as they were never actual jobs!
secondly did anyone actually listen to what was going on??

so because ryan air wanted that hanger, ryan air must be given that hanger, when aer lingus have had a tennancy for that hanger, and are not in breach of the tennacy.

Get a grip, because aer lingus have every right to remain in that hanger, and secondly who actually listens to what olarreeery has to say. ( yes i mispelt his name on purpose as he is a larrery little upstart)

Wile E. Coyote

jellie wrote: »

it HAD to be that hangar despite it currently being occupied and despite offers to actually BUILD them a whole new one.

When they requested the hanger back in September Aer lingus hadn't been given it. Who's going to pay for the building of a new hanger? The government? And what are they going to pay for it with?

So what if O'Leary is a d*ck. He offered to create 300 new jobs and all he wanted in return was hanger 6 to be either leased or sold to him. Not to much to ask for if you ask me!

prinz

jellie wrote: »

I dont know the full details of all of this but ryanair have come across like a spoilt child and a bully IMO.

+1
It was a win-win publicity stunt from O'Leary, nothing more, nothing less... so many falling for it too.. shocking.

Hail 2 Da Chimp

stevenmu wrote: »

Yes because the entire country should bend over backwards and give Michael O'Leary everything he wants for a whole 300 jobs.

That's not really a fair point steve, if MOL said he could offer 300 jobs to Ireland, then the government should have at least made an effort.
Do you think Mary Coughlan actually made any effort to salvage these jobs?

Especially with this Aerlingus fiasco about to blow up and potentially a huge amount of job losses there.

changes

Michael o leary is so full of s#*t if he lay down in a field he would look no different than a cow patch.

Hagar

Ryanair Profit to first half 2009 €136 million
Aer Lingus Losses for all of 2009 €81 million

Is the Govt. backing the wrong horse?

WindSock

O Leary was offered alternatives but he wouldn't take them. He just wants to create more noise and publicity for Ryanair. He doesn't give a toss about Irish people getting jobs.

bonerm

Fúck O'Leary and fúck Ryanair. I think the government are a shower of useless gobshítes but at the same time it's not for we shouldn't be tolerating that scruffy little twat holding the country to ransom just so he can stroke his own ego. Like someone else said 300 jobs weren't lost as they were never there in the first place.

Wile E. Coyote

WindSock wrote: »

O Leary was offered alternatives but he wouldn't take them. He just wants to create more noise and publicity for Ryanair. He doesn't give a toss about Irish people getting jobs.

Why should he accept alternatives? He made an offer and the Goverment did f*** all to secure the jobs. Why couldn't Aer lingus have accepted an alternative hanger? They're not creating any jobs.

ejmaztec

stevenmu wrote: »

Yes because the entire country should bend over backwards and give Michael O'Leary everything he wants for a whole 300 jobs.

The problem was that there was no bending at all.

Aer Lingus is deluded and thinks that it is "The" Irish airline, and should take pride of place as a national treasure, despite the fact that it's losing money hand over fist. They're only sorry that they can't rip people off like they did before the likes of Ryanair showed up.

Coughlan is a numpty (great Scottish slang, and very appropriate).

O'Leary is a ruthless businessman, goes for the best deal, and knows how to turn a profit.

Riamfada

The entire thing was another stupid publicity stunt by O'Leary and hopefully it backfires and the Sun readers of the world see him for what a rat he is.

Fizman

legatti wrote: »

thoose jobs were not lost as they were never actual jobs!
secondly did anyone actually listen to what was going on??

so because ryan air wanted that hanger, ryan air must be given that hanger, when aer lingus have had a tennancy for that hanger, and are not in breach of the tennacy.

Get a grip, because aer lingus have every right to remain in that hanger, and secondly who actually listens to what olarreeery has to say. ( yes i mispelt his name on purpose as he is a larrery little upstart)

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Ryanair make their interests known in this hangar late last year.....only for it to be 'awarded' to Aer Lingus off the back of some competition of some sort???

Oh and I reckon O'Leary is actually worth listening to. Why? He employs an awful lot of people in this country, and has/had the potential to employ many more.

I actually find it amusing when I see people post hate comments about him.

Cookie_Monster

legatti wrote: »

so because ryan air wanted that hanger, ryan air must be given that hanger, when aer lingus have had a tennancy for that hanger, and are not in breach of the tennacy.

did you read about this story at all?

Ryanair made an offer / offers 9 months before Aer Lingus were given it. They were ignored because it suited the Gov, DAA and Aer Lingus to have that hanger in their ownership.

Ryanair should just look for land near Dublin and build their own airport (it'd be better for everyone bar DAA), but no one would allow that either.

Wile E. Coyote

bonerm wrote: »

Like someone else said 300 jobs weren't lost as they were never there in the first place.

Thats a stupid way of looking at it. It there was even the slightest chance of creating 300 new jobs whether it's Michael O'Leary or anyone else then the government should have been doing everything they could to secure them. Instead they did what they do best f*** all.

I have come to the conclusion that people who don't respect Micheal O Leary are less intelligent than those that do.

Hanger 6 is under-used by Aer Lingus, it has all the facilities that Ryanair needs and why would O Leary wait for a new one to be built.? That could take a year at least.

The only reason we have cheap flights on all airlines is because of the competition O Leary created. Ryanair have a really good safety record, flights are nearly always on time and if you know how to fly ( no bags ), you can go anywhere in Europe for a cheap weekend.

Aswell as that, we're all pissed of at the government.. So is he. Why the fuk shouldn't he put them to the wall on this when he's in the position to? He's the only one trying to combat the ridiculous tourist tax.


I'm sure there's gonna be some absolute planks who go on about how he does "publicity" and the "hidden charges" while completely forgetting that he creates jobs, generates massive tax revenue for the country and he allows many people the ability to fly cheaply.

He is 100x times better fit to lead a country or company than anyone is our current government.

Taxipete29

Grimes wrote: »

The entire thing was another stupid publicity stunt by O'Leary and hopefully it backfires and the Sun readers of the world see him for what a rat he is.

A succesful Irish businessman who pays his taxes here, creates jobs and allows people to travel around Europe cheaply?????

Yes we as a nation should frown on such unpatriotic behaviour and embrace the reasoning of fine citizens like yourself who do nothing but bitch from the sidelines. WP sir, its you and your ilk that make this country a laughing stock

Amalgam

Grimes wrote: »

400,000 other people are not getting the same sympathy from you lot. 300 jobs like its the end of the world and you all bow down to the spiteful wanker O'Leary.

Get over him.. He has been productive in Ireland and abroad.. and that comes from him, his character is part of what pushes Ryanair forward, so what?

How 'productive' has your local TD\typical Political turd been?

There's a lot of smoke and mirrors on both sides, when it comes to events concerning Hangar 6, I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Irish politics is a piss coloured iceberg, I'm quite sure we only ever glimpse the tiniest tip of it.

Riamfada

Deleted User wrote: »

He is 100x times better fit to lead a country or company than anyone is our current government.

He is out for himself and the profits at expense of his customers and employees. This is just a stupid statement. Anyone who thinks a buisnessman devoid of any form of ethhics should run the country should revisit the first line of their post.

syklops

Deleted User wrote: »

I have come to the conclusion that people who don't respect Micheal O Leary are less intelligent than those that do.

Hanger 6 is under-used by Aer Lingus, it has all the facilities that Ryanair needs and why would O Leary wait for a new one to be built.? That could take a year at least.

The only reason we have cheap flights on all airlines is because of the competition O Leary created. Ryanair have a really good safety record, flights are nearly always on time and if you know how to fly ( no bags ), you can go anywhere in Europe for a cheap weekend.

Aswell as that, we're all pissed of at the government.. So is he. Why the fuk shouldn't he put them to the wall on this when he's in the position to? He's the only one trying to combat the ridiculous tourist tax.


I'm sure there's gonna be some absolute planks who go on about how he does "publicity" and the "hidden charges" while completely forgetting that he creates jobs, generates massive tax revenue for the country and he allows many people the ability to fly cheaply.

He is 100x times better fit to lead a country or company than anyone is our current government.

I wish I could thank you twice.

WindSock

Wile E. Coyote wrote: »

Why should he accept alternatives? He made an offer and the Goverment did f*** all to secure the jobs. Why couldn't Aer lingus have accepted an alternative hanger? They're not creating any jobs.

They didn't do fk all, they offered alternatives. There is no negotiation with him it seems.
If they did give him what he wanted, then where would it end? Aren't we in trouble in the first place for bowing down to big business?

biko

genericguy wrote: »

i hate michael o leary, but he should refuse to take on irish staff now out of spite.

Last few times I've flown all staff was Polish. Less pay and more attractive.

Cookie_Monster

Grimes wrote: »

He is out for himself and the profits at expense of his customers and employees.

Grimes wrote: »

This is just a stupid statement. .

yes it was

Cookie_Monster

WindSock wrote: »

They didn't do fk all, they offered alternatives. There is no negotiation with him it seems.
If they did give him what he wanted, then where would it end? Aren't we in trouble in the first place for bowing down to big business?

they offered alternatives only when it went public. He also offered a better initial deal for the hanger than AL.

All the alternatives were crap, either smaller unsuitable hangers or wait for years while one is built in totally the wrong part of the airport. :rolleyes:

i would have told them to fuck off too

Grimes

Grimes wrote: »

He is out for himself and the profits at expense of his customers and employees. This is just a stupid statement. Anyone who thinks a buisnessman devoid of any form of ethhics should run the country should revisit the first line of their post.

I'm sorry but what the fuk are you talking about?
Last I checked, you had to apply for a job with them and choose to purchase a flight with them.. You're right, it is a stupid statement.

Hagar

Anyone who thinks a buisnessman devoid of any form of ethhics should run the country...

As opposed to the untrustworthy shower of chancers that are running it now?

Mark200

WindSock wrote: »

They didn't do fk all, they offered alternatives. There is no negotiation with him it seems.
If they did give him what he wanted, then where would it end? Aren't we in trouble in the first place for bowing down to big business?

If ANY other multi-national company even whispered about creating 300 jobs in Ireland, the Government would have bent over backwards for them. The Government didn't even have to do them any big favours - all they had to do was act as an intermediary between Ryanair and the DAA.

Assuming those 300 people who would have got those jobs are now on the dole, that's 60,000 Euro a week the Government could have saved. That's just from unemployment benefits. The actual figure is probably well over 100,000 Euro a week if you consider that some of them are probably having to claim rent allowance or some other assistance too. If they remain unemployed for a year then that's 5.2million Euro...

Wile E. Coyote

WindSock wrote: »

They didn't do fk all, they offered alternatives. There is no negotiation with him it seems.
If they did give him what he wanted, then where would it end? Aren't we in trouble in the first place for bowing down to big business?

They offered hangers that were too small, a new hanger that they haven't the money to pay for or a hanger in a differnet part of the country. Your dead right, it's all his own fault :rolleyes:

If they gave him what he wanted then it would end up with 300 new jobs!

Mark200

Mark200 wrote: »

Assuming those 300 people who would have got those jobs are now on the dole, that's 60,000 Euro a week the Government could have saved. That's just from unemployment benefits. The actual figure is probably well over 100,000 Euro a week if you consider that some of them are probably having to claim rent allowance or some other assistance too. If they remain unemployed for a year then that's 5.2million Euro...

Then you factor in the income tax and extra vat they would have contributed to the economy while working.. Bumps it up another few million.

Biggins

Someone deserves their arse kicked and to be honest, they ALL share some blame I feel.
The chief culprit I feel is her Ladyship.
Ryanair had been asking for the hanger from February till Dec 24th 2009 when it was empty and not being used. The government did nothing to facilitate this, nothing.
What was it used for - and still is up to Feb 16th? Also nothing! See the two pictures on this web-page HERE

O'Leary was using his "rough" tactics again and Air Lingus was being their usual snobbish, pigheaded, arrogant basttard selfs yet again.

There is a lot of blame to go around - we have 300 highly technical people are now further out of work with an even lesser change of gaining replacement employment.

The parties involved ALL should be disgusted with themselves.

How the hell is this country going to attract more business to our borders if we are still behaving like we have our heads up our asses and putting animosity/hatred over practical business sense!

The whole lot deserved to be whacked over the head with a two by four! :mad:

TheDoc

People very much get turned off by him, by his character.

Forgetting he is a hugely succesful businessman and brought competition to an industry that was a monopoly.

Aer lingus are specialists in hemiraging money outward, and shouldnt get any support.

The people that run that company should take up another career. Although its not helped when ever they talk of cutting costs, they get threatened with a closer.

And this overall is a major stumbling block for this country to break out of reccesion, typica irish, not accepting simple facts and what has to be done, but throw the toys out of the pram and point the finger.

This government should be pledging massive support to O'Leary, and not hampering him because of their dislike for him.

In 5 years time whose going to be the main airline operating out of Dublin, it wont be aer lingus..... Give him nothing in support, and well see what happens, he probably do something drastic for spite, and cripple irish airports.

The last line of this letter is gold.

http://www.ryanair.com/doc/news/2010/ryanair-reply-to-tanaiste-15-feb.pdf

Trade unions and Mary Coughlin can go die.

K-9

WindSock wrote: »

O Leary was offered alternatives but he wouldn't take them. He just wants to create more noise and publicity for Ryanair. He doesn't give a toss about Irish people getting jobs.

Exactly. The picture of the empty hangar was typical MOL bluster and PR stunts.

hooradiation

Deleted User wrote: »

He is 100x times better fit to lead a country or company than anyone is our current government.

Oh now that's just embarrassing.

I think we can attribute this little incident to you being lightheaded after that gushing, sycophantic sloppy blowjob of a post for Ryanair.

Because nobody in full possession of their mental faculties could claim the CEO of one of the least ethical companies in the world would be a perfect candidate for the betterment of a nation.

ejmaztec

What puzzles me is what the hell was being done here prior to this announcement on 10th February? A week after this, the powers that be started thinking of what they could do to have the facility in Dublin, then the whole thing erupted in the media.

Had they all been sitting on their arses for a few months, counting paper-clips and occasionally looking out of the window?


http://www.gpia.co.uk/general/newsItem.asp?NewsItemID=371
Welcoming the new investment and jobs First Minister Alex Salmond said:

“I am delighted that Ryanair is strengthening its operations in Scotland and this announcement demonstrates that Ayrshire has the quality infrastructure and skilled workforce to secure this major project, having fought-off competition from a number of European locations.

“The Scottish Government is investing £1.5 million in this £8 million project, which shows Ryanair’s commitment to Ayrshire and builds on Prestwick’s reputation as a centre for European excellence in maintenance, repair and overhaul projects.

“Ryanair makes a substantial contribution to Scotland’s economy through its engineering facilities and encouraging tourism and business traffic via its Glasgow Prestwick, Aberdeen and Edinburgh flights”.
Wednesday, 10th February 2010

WindSock

WindSock wrote: »

O Leary was offered alternatives but he wouldn't take them. He just wants to create more noise and publicity for Ryanair. He doesn't give a toss about Irish people getting jobs.

At least he tried.. Aer Lingus have their maintainance done in France.
And how many people are they going to be letting go soon?

Give the best facilites to the most successful company imo.

hooradiation wrote: »

Oh now that's just embarrassing.

I think we can attribute this little incident to you being lightheaded after that gushing, sycophantic sloppy blowjob of a post for Ryanair.

Because nobody in full possession of their mental faculties could claim the CEO of one of the least ethical companies in the world would be a perfect candidate for the betterment of a nation.

Flick back a page or two there and check who I compared him to?
Thanks.

WindSock

Don't get me wrong, I have very little respect for our current government and Coughlan too. I just think there is more to it than just giving him the hangar in return for 300 or so jobs. I don't think it would end there.

hooradiation

Deleted User wrote: »

Flick back a page or two there and check who I compared him to?
Thanks.

I did.
you're still wrong.
You will always be wrong on this.

Fratton Fred

So Ryanair effectively pulls jobs out of Dublin and it is the governments fault.

He reduced flights from Manchester and it was the airport's fault.

He removed a hub in Spain and it was the Spanish government's fault.

He reduced the flights to Feurteventura and it was the fault of the local tourist board.

Whilst I have a certain degree of sympathy in this case, nothing is ever the fault of Ryanair and every event like this is turned into a PR stunt. Let's face it, if they decided to set up a maintenance operation in Scotland instead of Dublin, people would be demanding they took the harp off their planes, as it is, they manage to do it and come out smelling of roses.

WindSock

WindSock wrote: »

Don't get me wrong, I have very little respect for our current government and Coughlan too. I just think there is more to it than just giving him the hangar in return for 300 or so jobs. I don't think it would end there.

Even more jobs? Abolish the tourist tax?

I'm not quite sure what you're getting at here.. Either head off to the CT forum or tell us here?

hooradiation wrote: »

I did.
you're still wrong.
You will always be wrong on this.

Meh, as I said about intelligence. I'm not worried about what you think.
Who do you fly with out of interest?

Wile E. Coyote

hooradiation wrote: »

I did.
you're still wrong.
You will always be wrong on this

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