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Daily Mail news: Judge sparks row........

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  • #2
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    At least he "suggested" - not ordered - and it probably would make life easier.


  • #3
    Coriolanus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭Coriolanus


    Yes, no one who can't speak Irish fluently should be allowed remain in Ireland after 12 months, starting from 9am tomorrow.


  • #4
    Hank_Jones
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭Hank_Jones


    I'm sorry, I happen to deal with a few people in college that have very little english and it is quite a problem.
    I wouldn't go to live in another country without having a proper grasp of the language.


  • #5
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,647 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Anyway, everyone should speak (one of)the language of the country they live in!
    Well done.


  • #6
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    Nevore wrote: »
    Yes, no one who can't speak Irish fluently should be allowed remain in Ireland after 12 months, starting from 9am tomorrow.

    Get out of that, how many people here use Irish in day to day work situations?

    The issue being addressed here by the judge is he's got a woman put before him, that claims she doesn't speak English, while she's living in England...

    I've seen shít like this before when i was in a group avail to be picked for Jury Duty a few years ago. There was an asian guy brought before the court for some burgulary and assult case who had an interpreter... even though it was acknowledged by the courts he was here on a student visa doing a curse in the Dublin Business School...

    I'm going on a limb here, but i recon the guy could speak English and is using it as a way that he can seem victimised, by being in a foreign country with a foreign language... and that's exactly what this Chinese woman is up to...

    If you plan to move to another country... it makes sense to learn the language used there... If I was to live in China... I wouldn't expect everything to be in English for me...


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  • #7
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nevore wrote: »
    Yes, no one who can't speak Irish fluently should be allowed remain in Ireland after 12 months, starting from 9am tomorrow.


    :D

    Ca bhfuil mo cóta? :pac:


  • #8
    ballsymchugh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,939 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    Nevore wrote: »
    Yes, no one who can't speak Irish fluently should be allowed remain in Ireland after 12 months, starting from 9am tomorrow.

    isn't it great to live in a country with two official languages?


  • #9
    Coriolanus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭Coriolanus


    Jaysus where are peoples sarcasm detectors tonight. :rolleyes:
    I don't speak a jot of Irish, just for the record.


  • #10
    brummytom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,572 ✭✭✭✭brummytom


    Judge Julian Hall suggested Wai Cai 'spend the next 12 months learning English'


    Yeah, he should


  • #11
    galwayrush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,815 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    Nevore wrote: »
    Yes, no one who can't speak Irish fluently should be allowed remain in Ireland after 12 months, starting from 9am tomorrow.

    I can speak one of our official languages and it ain't Gaeilge, it's enough to function:D


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  • #12
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nevore wrote: »
    Jaysus where are peoples sarcasm detectors tonight. :rolleyes:
    I don't speak a jot of Irish, just for the record.

    The words "Daily Mail" tend to jam them a bit.


  • #13
    blond45
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 537 ✭✭✭blond45


    Deleted User wrote: »
    :D

    Ca bhfuil mo cóta? :pac:
    well then lets get an all speaking irish thread going and see how good we are.


  • #14
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Deleted User wrote: »
    :D

    Ca bhfuil mo cóta? :pac:

    In the closet with Tom Cruise.


  • #15
    Daemos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,645 ✭✭✭Daemos


    Nothing new: Daily Mail tries to spark row........
    Fixed the thread title for you ;)


  • #16
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    blond45 wrote: »
    well then lets get an all speaking irish thread going and see how good we are.

    Rith isteach...

    http://boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=904


  • #17
    m@cc@
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭m@cc@


    Why is there uproar about this?


  • #18
    Biggins
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    m@cc@ wrote: »
    Why is there uproar about this?

    Political correctness and daftness at the same time rearing its head.


  • #19
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    AH is Daily Mail.

    First page just now:

    Do You Drive Over The Speed Limit?? - boards.ie


    Love this one:
    Can confectionery be gender specific? - boards.ie

    Or?
    Fast food trays - Dump 'em or leave 'em? - boards.ie


    Perfect:
    Is cannabis an 'intoxicant?' - boards.ie


    Classic Mail stuff:
    Kicked out at 18? - boards.ie

    Ideal stuff:
    Fan of horror movies ? - boards.ie

    Did you kill Jamie Bulger?


    Added, "does the EU want to microwave babies?" seeing as no references to the EU above. We need some reference to foreigners having control over events that should be within our control*.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #20
    IrishManSaipan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭IrishManSaipan


    Hes dead right too. Ordering a roll in this country is quite the experience.

    I should probably learn Polish. Might makes things easier.


  • #21
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    IrishManSaipan wrote: »
    Hes dead right too. Ordering a roll in this country is quite the experience.

    I should probably learn Polish. Might makes things easier.

    And of course your roll suffers because of the experience?

    Who makes the roll you picked up?

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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  • #22
    IrishManSaipan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭IrishManSaipan


    K-9 wrote: »
    And of course your roll suffers because of the experience?

    Who makes the roll you picked up?

    A piece of me dies each time I have to deal with them. I end up speaking like an eastern european back to them. This yes *points at lettuce through the glass* with this, yes. Yes. Yes, thank you, yes, well done, yes. Cut in half please, yes, thank you, yes.

    :mad:


  • #23
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    IrishManSaipan wrote: »
    Hes dead right too. Ordering a roll in this country is quite the experience.

    I should probably learn Polish. Might makes things easier.

    Będę musiał dwukrotnie burger ser z frytkami


  • #24
    Pygmalion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,082 ✭✭✭Pygmalion


    Dravokivich wrote: »
    There was an asian guy brought before the court for some burgulary and assult case who had an interpreter... even though it was acknowledged by the courts he was here on a student visa doing a curse in the Dublin Business School...

    To be fair you could speak very good English without knowing a bunch of legal terms and definitions.


  • #25
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    IrishManSaipan wrote: »
    A piece of me dies each time I have to deal with them. I end up speaking like an eastern european back to them. This yes *points at lettuce through the glass* with this, yes. Yes. Yes, thank you, yes, well done, yes. Cut in half please, yes, thank you, yes.

    :mad:

    Far too many yesses in the making of that particular role.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #26
    IrishManSaipan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭IrishManSaipan


    K-9 wrote: »
    Far too many yesses in the making of that particular role.

    I am not slating the Poles here, most of the ones I know have excellent english. They are here long enough.

    It just seems to be the Pole roll makers who struggle with basic english. Dunno why.


  • #27
    IrishManSaipan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭IrishManSaipan


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Będę musiał dwukrotnie burger ser z frytkami

    Will you be supersizing that today, sir?;)


  • #28
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    IrishManSaipan wrote: »
    I am not slating the Poles here, most of the ones I know have excellent english. They are here long enough.

    It just seems to be the Pole roll makers who struggle with basic english. Dunno why.

    Ach sorry.

    I put in role, instead of roll, as in you playing a role, an acting, stereotypical part.

    Meant as a pun!

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #29
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    IrishManSaipan wrote: »

    It just seems to be the Pole roll makers who struggle with basic english. Dunno why.

    That's why they are making sandwiches and not working in a call centre selling you car insurance of any other job that requires good language skills.


  • #30
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    IrishManSaipan wrote: »
    Will you be supersizing that today, sir?;)

    Actually I should have ordered:

    Będę miał podwójnego hamburgera z frytkami łabędź


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  • #31
    IrishManSaipan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭IrishManSaipan


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Actually I should have ordered:

    Będę miał podwójnego hamburgera z frytkami łabędź

    Leave our swans alone!


  • #32
    IrishManSaipan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭IrishManSaipan


    Deleted User wrote: »
    That's why they are making sandwiches and not working in a call centre selling you car insurance of any other job that requires good language skills.

    No, "Pat" from New Delhi does that.


  • #33
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    IrishManSaipan wrote: »
    No, "Pat" from New Delhi does that.

    That is very telling that he will do the needfull! ;)


  • #34
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    Pygmalion wrote: »
    To be fair you could speak very good English without knowing a bunch of legal terms and definitions.

    of course... I'm Irish and not a lawyer / legal secretary / solicitor / barristor / judge...


  • #35
    bonerm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,595 ✭✭✭bonerm


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Anyway, everyone should speak (one of)the language of the country they live in!

    Why? You could feasibly live (for example) in a community in an English speaking country whereby you didn't need a word of English in order to fulfill your jobs and your daily interactions.

    By comparison there are people born in this country (both in urban and rural enclaves) who (supposedly) speak English fluently but that you'd be lucky to understand half of what they were saying. Should their entire communities be sent back to school for elocution lessons?

    My own opinion is that I think people should only have to be able to speak the native language if not having it is interfering with the implementation of their job or tasks in their daily lives. e.g. in the case of the guy who dies a little every day he orders a sandwich (that could just be the cholesterol btw)..


  • #36
    Rebelheart
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭Rebelheart


    Hank_Jones wrote: »
    I wouldn't go to live in another country without having a proper grasp of the language.

    Come on, where do you think the English language would be on the world stage with such a respectable approach? Fortune favours the brave. Beat the sh it out of the natives and ram your language down their collective throats for centuries and hey presto there's no need to make the effort to learn their language. It's all remarkably civilised, old bean.


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  • #37
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,731 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    brummytom wrote: »
    Yeah, he should

    In the English language we generally use the pronoun 'she' when referring to ladies.
    IrishManSaipan wrote: »
    No, "Pat" from New Delhi does that.

    Is Pat one of the ones that got confused by the ads looking for someone to "fulfill a challenging role in New Delhi", thinking he was going for a job in a sandwich shop?


  • #38
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    pickarooney wrote: »
    In the English language we generally use the pronoun 'she' when referring to ladies.

    Brummy was referring to the Judge... :pac:


  • #39
    Bottle_of_Smoke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,770 ✭✭✭Bottle_of_Smoke


    bonerm wrote: »
    Why? You could feasibly live (for example) in a community in an English speaking country whereby you didn't need a word of English in order to fulfill your jobs and your daily interactions.

    By comparison there are people born in this country (both in urban and rural enclaves) who (supposedly) speak English fluently but that you'd be lucky to understand half of what they were saying. Should their entire communities be sent back to school for elocution lessons?

    My own opinion is that I think people should only have to be able to speak the native language if not having it is interfering with the implementation of their job or tasks in their daily lives. e.g. in the case of the guy who dies a little every day he orders a sandwich (that could just be the cholesterol btw)..

    Don't be such a bleeding heart liberal. She's driving a powerful car, I think its fair for the rest of us to expect her to be able to read roadsigns.


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