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    #32
    FlutterinBantam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,575 ✭✭✭✭FlutterinBantam


    DERICKOO wrote: »
    yes in principle I agree with you but I am left with an undeniable feeling that we can not trust those who govern now.:D


    That may well be so, but the fact remains, I would not like punters who pull up outside prisons to give convicted killers a lift to be anywhere near the levers of power in my country.

    They are much too close even as it is.


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    #33
    BluePlanet
    Registered Users Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭BluePlanet


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Do you know how much it will cost for free breast screening for all women over forty ? A fortune that's how much. Which will mean taxes being raised even more.
    Oh? well how much is "a fortune"?
    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    God knows what "aiding the case for equal pay" is but it sounds very socialist.

    They want to retain assuylum seekers staying in this country at the tax payers expense. These people it should be noted contribute nothing to society.
    But that can be changed with a leglislative swipe of a pen.
    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Despite the fact our water system is in a third world state they don't want to bring in charges to up-grade it. Thus more people will have to suffer from water shortages and undiscovered lead pipes.
    One can only pressume that the Shinners are in favour of increasing takes to up-grade these pipes instead.
    It's not a 3rd world water system, not by a long shot.
    Iwasfrozen wrote: »

    They want to bring the North into the Republic despite the little fact that the majority of the norths population want nothing to do with us. And who can blame them ?
    Are you sure about that?
    They document Eire Nua calls for a new All-Ireland arrangement, not simply extending the Republic's jurisidction over the North.


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    #34
    danman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 583 ✭✭✭danman


    SF need to be at least 2 generations away from the current leadership before they can be taken seriously in this country.

    My own personal experience with them means I will never contemplate giving them any of my preferances.

    I, and many others have long memories of the murder, bombings, kidnappings, armed robberies carried out by their members.

    They will remain a sidebar of politics in the Republic untill the current leadership are very long gone.


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    #35
    anneboleyn
    Registered Users Posts: 62 ✭✭anneboleyn


    danman wrote: »
    SF need to be at least 2 generations away from the current leadership before they can be taken seriously in this country.

    My own personal experience with them means I will never contemplate giving them any of my preferances.

    I, and many others have long memories of the murder, bombings, kidnappings, armed robberies carried out by their members.

    They will remain a sidebar of politics in the Republic untill the current leadership are very long gone.

    Every party in this state has it's foundations in something of the above - how many generations are Fianna Fail and Fine Gael etc removed from it.. ? not many ! there's a FG chap in my area whose father and uncle were part of O Duffys crew ... should I not talk to him ? where do you draw the line?

    It's about the here now and future... not the past .. that said the Sinn Fein economic policies are naive at best and senseless at worst..


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    #36
    danman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 583 ✭✭✭danman


    anneboleyn wrote: »
    Every party in this state has it's foundations in something of the above - how many generations are Fianna Fail and Fine Gael etc removed from it.. ? not many ! there's a FG chap in my area whose father and uncle were part of O Duffys crew ... should I not talk to him ? where do you draw the line?

    It's about the here now and future... not the past .. that said the Sinn Fein economic policies are naive at best and senseless at worst..

    This is my own personal opinion.

    FG and FF are 3-4 generations away from war.

    There is no comparison.


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    #37
    gandalf
    Registered Users Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    TBH I find it far more frightening reading SF's economic policies these days. Naive and nationally suicidial would be the best description for them. They are almost verging on something you would see in a Monty Python sketch.


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    #38
    postman prat
    Registered Users Posts: 5 ✭postman prat


    Nama would actually make a very good Monthy Phyton scetch.


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    #39
    gandalf
    Registered Users Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    postman prat wrote: »
    Nama would actually make a very good Monthy Phyton scetch.

    Naw its just a Greek Tragedy at this stage!


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    #40
    DERICKOO
    Registered Users Posts: 593 ✭✭✭DERICKOO


    I was expecting to read more progressive analysis.:rolleyes:
    we all know FF and FG are far enough away from Dev and Collins.:(
    the climate of change is here like it or hate it with 200,000 trades people unemployed and overall unemployment at near 500000 and with 100000+ on sick:eek: you have a outpouring of anger which will i fear show its face in the next general election.:mad: you can hum&haw all you want but the facts are here to stay. Nama helps who??? yes we know who and so do 80% of voters who will and i mean will show there feelings.:o SF's KNOWS THIS and does not rule out a coalition with FF you may wonder why this statement was said. :(


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    #41
    trapsagenius
    Closed Accounts Posts: 410 ✭✭trapsagenius


    DERICKOO wrote: »
    I was expecting to read more progressive analysis.:rolleyes:
    we all know FF and FG are far enough away from Dev and Collins.:(
    the climate of change is here like it or hate it with 200,000 trades people unemployed and overall unemployment at near 500000 and with 100000+ on sick:eek: you have a outpouring of anger which will i fear show its face in the next general election.:mad: you can hum&haw all you want but the facts are here to stay. Nama helps who??? yes we know who and so do 80% of voters who will and i mean will show there feelings.:o SF's KNOWS THIS and does not rule out a coalition with FF you may wonder why this statement was said. :(

    You're a fan of the emoticons, clearly...


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    #42
    leincar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 683 ✭✭✭leincar


    I just read this I've been out of the country for the last few days. 1% on assets over €1,000,000. Myself and the significant Mrs Leincar just did a quick calulation of our assets.

    1% on assets over €1,000,000 will see myself and my wife pay about €35,000. I presume this figure would be an annual charge.

    I have a message for Gerry and Co. I don't think so baby. I can live and work anywhere and I would be gone within 24 hours of these gob****es taking office or entering coalition. I pay enough tax. I have already stated in previous posts on different threads that I have no objection to paying my share but this, no way.


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    #43
    fontanalis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭fontanalis


    leincar wrote: »
    I just read this I've been out of the country for the last few days. 1% on assets over €1,000,000. Myself and the significant Mrs Leincar just did a quick calulation of our assets.

    1% on assets over €1,000,000 will see myself and my wife pay about €35,000. I presume this figure would be an annual charge.

    I have a message for Gerry and Co. I don't think so baby. I can live and work anywhere and I would be gone within 24 hours of these gob****es taking office or entering coalition. I pay enough tax. I have already stated in previous posts on different threads that I have no objection to paying my share but this, no way.

    I wouldn't worry, SF hasn't a snowmans chance in hell of getting close to making economic decisons. I'd saya large part of the crowd at the conference think Cuba is somethign Ireland should emulate.


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    #44
    PomBear
    Registered Users Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭PomBear


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Sinn Fein are far left wing nationalists. Stalin was a far left wing nationalist. Explanation enough ?

    Right Wing nationalism has failed. Fianna Failure much?? Labour are Left Wing Nationalists also. Fine Gael are Right Wing, Hitler was Right, good logic? no


    On secound toughts that was a little bit horrid, here's a section of Sinn Feins economic policies taken from wikipedia:

    Ok first off the NHS works as it does, without a central planning authority because it can achieve Economies of Scale. Ireland, being smaller cannot achieve these Economies of Scale and thus it will cost us more tax per capita for an identical system.

    Sinn Féin has been proposing tax cuts for years
    Do you know how much it will cost for free breast screening for all women over forty ? A fortune that's how much. Which will mean taxes being raised even more.

    Do you realise how important breast screening is?
    God knows what "aiding the case for equal pay" is but it sounds very socialist.

    Equal pay means that women, foreign-nationals all have equal pay in the workplace. It all sounds very socialist? it sounds what we need equality.
    They want to retain assuylum seekers staying in this country at the tax payers expense. These people it should be noted contribute nothing to society.

    There are ALOT more Irish people who contribute alot less to society, purely racist statement. If I was coming from thei situations I'd do the exact same.
    Despite the fact our water system is in a third world state they don't want to bring in charges to up-grade it. Thus more people will have to suffer from water shortages and undiscovered lead pipes.
    One can only pressume that the Shinners are in favour of increasing takes to up-grade these pipes instead.
    SF opposed water charges in the 26 counties, FF and FG supported, turn the clock back two years ago
    They want to bring the North into the Republic despite the little fact that the majority of the norths population want nothing to do with us. And who can blame them ?

    Links to this fact because last time I check theres a nationalist majority and SF are the biggest northern party
    Greater investment for those who are disabled means higher taxes for those who aren't. Higher takes means TNCs are less likely to deploy here which means our economy will sink into **** which means we will be paying less taxes which means disabled people will end up worse off then they where before the tax increase.

    Disabled people need equality too and do you disabled services see a big tax hike? and even if it was, i'd pay it gladly, you would too if one day you ended up in a wheelchair
    All of this plus the fact that I don't want the ugly Irish language pushed down my throat means I will never ever vote for Sinn Fein.

    Oh boo hoo, you don't want that silly language you don't understand pushed down you're throat, do you not realise the significance and the pride that how strong that language was and has been in its past. just because you don't like the majority want it


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    #45
    PomBear
    Registered Users Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭PomBear


    deadtiger wrote: »
    TBH I find it far more frightening reading SF's economic policies these days. Naive and nationally suicidial would be the best description for them. They are almost verging on something you would see in a Monty Python sketch.

    Nationalising banks 3 years ago which would have prevent the cuts in our income by over 40%, ooooohhhh how frightening


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