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Can someone tell me??.... smallbore
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25-02-2010 10:50pm#1
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Yeah, Martin was sent off. But "trained up"?No idea about air I'm afraid!!;), on the coaches side of things was there not someone sent away on a ISSF coaches course recently??, and was this person trained up to take on the position as National coach?
C'mon, it was certification, not training, there's not much he'd learn on a class C course
You and me both, though I'm a step or three back thanks to work. *mutter*I along with others would love to get to a world cup or the likes next year!!
Because that's how we used to do it and it used to be a popularity contest in all but name, with no idea of how to qualify, no metrics, no scores to hit, no process to get into or be kicked out of the squad, no planning past the very next match (remember how much notice Alan had for Sydney?), no proper coaching or support -- it was a mess.Just a thought but If the manpower, interest or organisation isnt there to run or compete at selection shoots why not pick several on and off the island as compulsary comps?
Besides, you don't need to run a special match for selection, that's just if there's nothing handy at the time. Using an existing match is much preferable.0 -
True , but is it happening?;)Yeah, Martin was sent off. But "trained up"? C'mon, it was certification, not training, there's not much he'd learn on a class C course
A simple MQS or final place or equal score would sort that?, I know there are people who wont be able to afford to travel and even those who can may not be able to afford a world cup if self funding was allowed but we need to have some kind of gauge and need to start somewhere.Because that's how we used to do it and it used to be a popularity contest in all but name, with no idea of how to qualify, no metrics, no scores to hit
LOL, YES!! as I had to turn it down to keep my job!!:((remember how much notice Alan had for Sydney?)
Yeah but the World Cups are published well in advance so there should be no excuse to either run a qualifying shoot or compete at a selected comp!;)Besides, you don't need to run a special match for selection, that's just if there's nothing handy at the time. Using an existing match is much preferable.0 -
Eh? He's been and come back and been in the ISSF news already FLOYDSTER!True , but is it happening?;)
We've got a better setup now, written up in several places (and more than once in here).A simple MQS or final place or equal score would sort that?
Yup. But chucking the current system's not the way - applying it more is, but that takes money that isn't there or a policy change on self-funding.I know there are people who wont be able to afford to travel and even those who can may not be able to afford a world cup if self funding was allowed but we need to have some kind of gauge and need to start somewhere.
I rememberLOL, YES!! as I had to turn it down to keep my job!!:(
And it wasn't fair on anyone really.
Yup. And there's been no problems so far for when teams are being picked. It's the decision about when teams are going, how amny, and where to, that you're actually complaining about.Yeah but the World Cups are published well in advance so there should be no excuse to either run a qualifying shoot or compete at a selected comp!;)0 -
jasus lads WTF
you are moaning of lack of coaches, lack of ranges, lack of a squad
the best training for you boys is to have a PMA and go to your local range as much as possible and fire thousands of rounds downrange.
A once a month visit to a top class range will do fook all for you compared to shooting 4-5 times a week at your own range
but hey you will probably prefer to discuss this point on boards rather than go out and practice
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jasus lads WTF
you are moaning of lack of coaches, lack of ranges, lack of a squad
the best training for you boys is to have a PMA and go to your local range as much as possible and fire thousands of rounds downrange.
A once a month visit to a top class range will do fook all for you compared to shooting 4-5 times a week at your own range
but hey you will probably prefer to discuss this point on boards rather than go out and practice
my opinion
You have the wrong end of the stick!!, People can train in the house 7 days a week if they wish BUT how is that going to get them to the Olympics or Europeans or any other major match??
If there is no structure to get anyone there what do we do??, and the structure must be there but with other people who have been competing the last 6 years I havent asking about procedures it must be confusing or not common knowledge??
You might as well draw straws to see who goes!;), and its not just for my benefit I'm asking!, other shooters from Ireland have been complaining but havent got the bottle to ask or dont want to rock the boat!!
So just to clear things up, how do we get a shooter to a world cup for example?, or is it purely down to lack of funding?;)0 -
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But there is one. Has been for two years now.If there is no structure
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=63600152the structure must be there but with other people who have been competing the last 6 years I havent asking about procedures it must be confusing or not common knowledge??
And the reply's an interesting one...
And again here a year earlier:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=57218298
And again here:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=56846091
Ah, here now. It's nowhere near that bad. The structure is fine, it's just manpower and money that's needed.You might as well draw straws to see who goes!
They don't have to ask, it's up in several places in black and white! Granted, after the boards.ie hack, the links in the above post are offline, but this one isn't:other shooters from Ireland have been complaining but havent got the bottle to ask or dont want to rock the boat!
http://www.wilkinstowntargetshootingclub.org/frequently-asked-questions/general/4-target-shooting/2-how-do-i-shoot-for-ireland.html
and neither is this one:
http://www.wilkinstowntargetshootingclub.org/news-mainmenu-2/137-selection-for-international-teams.html
It's all laid out in those two links above - how we do it, why we do it the way we do it, what you have to do as a shooter.So just to clear things up, how do we get a shooter to a world cup for example?, or is it purely down to lack of funding?;)
And it's up on the NTSA website as well (see 'International Selection' on the right side of the front page):
http://targetshootingireland.org/component/option,com_docman/task,cat_view/Itemid,88/gid,116/orderby,dmdate_published/0 -
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you get a shooter to a world cup by practice ,practice,practice
if i wanted to go to a world cup in pistol i would be practicing now instead of looking at boardsYou have the wrong end of the stick!!, People can train in the house 7 days a week if they wish BUT how is that going to get them to the Olympics or Europeans or any other major match??
If there is no structure to get anyone there what do we do??, and the structure must be there but with other people who have been competing the last 6 years I havent asking about procedures it must be confusing or not common knowledge??
You might as well draw straws to see who goes!;), and its not just for my benefit I'm asking!, other shooters from Ireland have been complaining but havent got the bottle to ask or dont want to rock the boat!!
So just to clear things up, how do we get a shooter to a world cup for example?, or is it purely down to lack of funding?;)0 -
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you get a shooter to a world cup by practice ,practice,practice
if i wanted to go to a world cup in pistol i would be practicing now instead of looking at boards
PMSL!!, so if I practice at my range every day for the next year I will be picked for a world cup??
Would I not have to shoot some kind of comps, or go through some kind of selection or prove to someone somewhere I can actually shoot??
I think I'll cancel my trips to IOM,Plzen,Hanover and Bisley, save all that money and practice at Comber instead!!;)0 -
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from what i believe you olny have to shoot a qualifing score at a selection competition for a match for intershoot or a world cup
if you were to shoot at a local range 4-5 times a week , you would have a much better chance of really improving rather than travelling to IOM
never been to comber so couldn,t comment on that rangePMSL!!, so if I practice at my range every day for the next year I will be picked for a world cup??
Would I not have to shoot some kind of comps, or go through some kind of selection or prove to someone somewhere I can actually shoot??
I think I'll cancel my trips to IOM,Plzen,Hanover and Bisley, save all that money and practice at Comber instead!!;)0 -
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PMSL!!, so if I practice at my range every day for the next year I will be picked for a world cup??
Would I not have to shoot some kind of comps, or go through some kind of selection or prove to someone somewhere I can actually shoot??
I think I'll cancel my trips to IOM,Plzen,Hanover and Bisley, save all that money and practice at Comber instead!!;)
ISSF as a discipline is lucky that it can be practiced at home - therefore you should do it.
Sure you may not be able to hold European Championships here but you can have an inter club competition season. Rather than feel down about the costs incolved in travelling abroad to practice or compete why not try to have more competition here. Perhaps you will not manage to get the same scores you can in the IOM or wherever but at least you will know if you are the best in Ireland before you do go to an international.
Unless you get more support for the sport in more clubs you will never be able to - If there are only 10 or 20 people shooting the sport with only a dozen people taking part in the National Finals how do you ever expect to get the state to fund it. There were over 100 competitors at an NASRPC shoot in Hilltop a couple of weeks back - state funding? Not a sausage.
Look at IPSC - I'm not sure what the competitor numbers were like at the peak but it was over 100. There were competitions with 70 or so people taking part. We do have the facilities in Ireland to hold major internationals such as the European Championships but we are no longer allowed to practice, never mind hold the competitions.
Irish people are not just having to travel overseas to practice or compete but are forced to do so.
Count you blessings and put them to use.
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...today. It was not always so, from what I've been told.It is not a case that people can buy a place on the national squad
No, I'm talking about some past international trips. They're almost a decade in the past however, so I'm not going into specifics; but they did damage us (all of us) in the ISC's eyes at the time, not to mention in the eyes of those abroad, hence the depth of feeling towards avoiding such a situation recurring amongst many.Are you talking about wildcard spots like the Bobsleigh?
Indeed, but unless you go looking for it as well, rathering is a rather useless use of time...You can rather all you like :-)
So long as your home is an authorised range...ISSF as a discipline is lucky that it can be practiced at home
(Like I've said before, the criminal justice acts damaged all of us)
Or in the UK or in any but a handful of international, highly expensive ranges. An ISSF continental championships isn't just one step up from a national championships, any more than the North Atlantic is a small step up from the local swimming pool -- and I don't think too many people ever really get the magnitude of that stepSure you may not be able to hold European Championships hereThere were over 100 competitors at an NASRPC shoot in Hilltop a couple of weeks back - state funding? Not a sausage.
In both cases, though:Look at IPSC - I'm not sure what the competitor numbers were like at the peak but it was over 100.
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