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[Dec 20] Intershoot 2010 Qualification match

  • 17-12-2009 01:59PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭


    From the NTSA website:
    Qualifier for Intershoot - Sunday 20th
    Written by ntsa
    Thursday, 17 December 2009


    INTERSHOOT 2010 IMPORTANT NOTICE

    INTERSHOOT 2010 - 10m Air Rifle and 10m Air Pistol takes place in The Hague, Holland between 3rd-6th February 2010.
    There are Three competitions over Three days.

    A number of people who had expressed an interest in qualifying for this event could not attend the previously scheduled match.

    An extra qualifier will be held at the UCD Range, Belfield, this Sunday at 11.00

    There will be one detail. Pistol and Rifle will be accommodated in the same detail.

    Pre-booking is not essential, but an email to secretary@targetshootingireland.org indicating your intention to compete would be appreciated.

    Please take note of the qualifying scores required below:
    |Air Pistol||||Air Rifle|||
    |AP60|AP40|AP60 JM|AP40 JW|AR60|AR40|AR60 JM|AR40 JW
    Qualifying|548|356|533|347|573|384|568|378


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Bit of a disaster for me, but otherwise this went fairly well. Artic conditions, mind you, lots of wooly hats on the line. Noone made the qualification scores though - two shooters came within three or four points (one in men's air rifle and one in men's air pistol), but they didn't quite make it. One more chance left, on Jan3...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭FLOYDSTER


    So there is another qualifier now??, who is this one being held for??

    I see people who entered the first match were able to enter the second match and am a little confused as it was listed as a shoot for people who were not able to make the first match.

    Are qualification matches going to keep being arranged until someone does actually qualify or is it just being made up as we go along??

    Let’s hope the rest of the disciplines get the same opportunities!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36 psf32


    did any one else qualify for intershoot ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,244 ✭✭✭rrpc


    FLOYDSTER wrote: »
    So there is another qualifier now??, who is this one being held for??

    I see people who entered the first match were able to enter the second match and am a little confused as it was listed as a shoot for people who were not able to make the first match.

    Are qualification matches going to keep being arranged until someone does actually qualify or is it just being made up as we go along??

    Let’s hope the rest of the disciplines get the same opportunities!!
    It's not one quali match, but a 'window' between the request for EoI's and the closing date for entries. The next one is also the first qualification for the European Air Championships for which the closing date for entries is some time in February as far as I know.

    The same set up will be provided for the World Championships in Munich and all other international matches. There are no 50m ranges in the country with electronic targets so it's always going to be more difficult to get venues set up for that (never mind the weather). It's far easier for air because UCD kindly allow the use of their range and they have fourteen electronic points.

    Moving the targets from Rathdrum is a complete pain and very difficult when you need a good sized van and three or four people. We're hoping that ECSSC will have their 50m range on stream in time because it's a much shorter trip than Midlands.

    But hey, if you're volunteering... ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,244 ✭✭✭rrpc


    Just to add that we have always (since the introduction of this system) run 'special' matches for qualifying for internationals.

    The first time was for the GB juniors when a special match was run in Wilkinstown and the second time was the qualification match for Munich in 2008 in BRC when there was no other match available in the time frame and the electronic targets were moved to BRC (on a snowy day) and nobody qualified.

    The reality is that we have to do this to give competitors a chance to qualify and there's not always (or very seldom) a calendared club match available.

    I would also like to remind people that they need to have their training plans completed and submitted along with their Expression of Interest if they want to be considered.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    rrpc wrote: »
    I would also like to remind people that they need to have their training plans completed and submitted along with their Expression of Interest if they want to be considered.

    Sent in an EOI last night for the World Championships, the World Cup in Belgrade and the University Shooting Championships. Also asked exactly what detail you want in my training plan. Do you want a calendar up until the time in question, with my training days marked on it? Regular diary updates to be sent in? I have all the data, just want to know what format you want it in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    There's always been a reluctance to specify a this-way-and-no-other-way format because how people train varies so widely; personally, I'd just send everything in. The aim wasn't just to get paper in the door, by the way. I've written up what we were thinking when we codified the procedure, as frankly and bluntly as I could, more than once, eg:
    The philosophy behind the process is not so much simple as fundamental. We want to:
    * be fair
    * send the best shooters to represent their country
    * and not to fall on our collective asses when we do go abroad to represent Ireland.
    So folks should know exactly why things are done the way they're done. Some bits will prove not to work so well and will get tweaked - the original idea of having just one single qualifying match was always contentious, and there's merit in having a range of dates available; there's also merit in the idea of just having one shot at qualifying (even if you have a range of dates on which you can qualify, ie. there are several qualifying matches and you're allowed shoot in all of them, but only one prenominated match would count, that kind of thing). Thing is, there have been issues before even during air matches where the range is more forgiving on one day than on another (temperature, for example - I had at least one shot go off on Sunday before I was ready because I couldn't feel my fingertip well enough).

    I'd argue the point more, but I think it's a better idea to try something and see if it works; and as long as it's at least even-handed and tries to be fair, then the most successful approach should work.

    The one thing I wouldn't comprimise on is how we actually select - it must remain an impersonal thing, as far out of any person's hands as possible. For Intershoot 2010, for example, the qualifying score for men's air rifle is 573, because on average, that was what you needed to get into the top 66% of the field in Intershoot 2009, 2008 and 2007 (you check to see what score got you into the top two-thirds of the field in each year, rounding up a point if there was a tie split across the two-thirds place -- ie. if place 61, 60 and 59 all tied on 570, you'd use 571 -- and you average all three scores). Since that's an impersonal decision, not made by any individual or committee, the system that's based on it is going to be fair to everyone (though not necessarily easy, but then the international circuit really is that hard).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭FLOYDSTER


    Cheers for the replys!!;), as has been mentioned relying on a single shoot for selection is really not the best way to move forward and I'm glad to see several shoots being taken in to consideration!;)

    The only thing that would really matter is that everyone gets adequate warning of the up and coming selection shoots!, I know some people would like (and take) a little longer to prepare!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,244 ✭✭✭rrpc


    Thanks Sparks for the background info. You and I both remember a very long (six or seven hours :eek:) and at times heated debate :) in UCD where we trashed out the finer points of this system. It still remains in my mind as one of the most productive and involving meetings I've ever participated in and I believe that what we've got now is as fair and transparent a system of selection as we could get.

    @FLOYDSTER: Gettinng adequate notice is always the first priority but doesn't always fall into place the way we want it to. As always when people are volunteering their time, life tends to intrude at inopportune moments and make things that little bit more difficult.

    Anyway, although boards is very useful for getting information acrosss, it shouldn't substitute the more formal communication channels as not everyone (and especially not everyone on the committee) reads boards on a regular basis, if at all.

    It wasn't me has properly set the ball rolling on his own behalf and is to be commended for making the effort; hopefully others will do likewise.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    Have sent in my training programme for the next month, until the end of the Christmas holidays. I suggest anyone else interested do likewise. Would be good to have company!

    I'm particularly looking at the World University Shooting Championships. The scores look quite manageable. 588 made the final in Beijing in 2008. I'll hopefully be well able for that by next september! 593 and 103.7 won it. I'll have a go at that!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18 FowlerC


    I should have beaten my PB that day, but poor trigger control put in a few sixes. Rifle higher on shoulder next time so I can see the target instead of trying to stare through my brow I think.


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