Other people standing for the National Anthem

Foxhound38

I was in the pub the other night, and as it was a live music situation the National Anthem was played last. Most of us stood for it, however there was a group of Spanish students at the table next to us who decined to do so. After the Anthem was finished, a group of men wandered over to the table and started giving the students hassel for "disrespecting Ireland" - nothing violent or anything mind, they just seemed annoyed by it. I found this quite odd, as surely these same lads wouldn't stand for God Save the Queen if they were at an event in the UK now would they?

So what about ye? Do ye get upset when you see people sitting for the anthem, or could ye care less?

Dave!

Oh god I cringe and die a little inside when the national anthem is played in a pub

stovelid

I wouldn't stand for it myself unless the venue and occasion was appropriate - no matter if some bonehead had a problem with it.

K4t

Those Irish lads are fools or just had too much to drink. Probably both.

ibarelycare

I don't stand for the anthem unless I'm at a sporting event. I certainly wouldn't stand for it if I was in the pub watching a match. I used to go out with a guy from the north and we were in a pub in Omagh and the National Anthem came on at the end. I just sat there and everyone else got up and actually put their hands on their hearts like feckin Americans. I reluctantly stood up and my bf was furious that I didn't sing along or put my hand on my heart...I was busy enjoying my drink!

Borneo Fnctn

I think it's wrong to impose your own values on people. I would stand for the anthem but I wouldn't get a self righteous thrill from giving out to those who didn't.

stovelid

Thankfully nowhere I go plays it anyway, and if they did, I wouldn't go back.

NothingMan

I'd be more annoyed at the idiot bands/DJ's sometimes even just a CD that plays the stupid song at a pub. I'll stand for it at a sport event etc... but not just because it's last orders in my local or the god awful DJ at the 21st doesn't have anything else to play except Rock the Boat, come on eileen and the national anthem.

fuelinjection

Dave! wrote: »

Oh god I cringe and die a little inside when the national anthem is played in a pub

What a total loser, good luck and enjoy Australia, I hope you find some self respect in your new country.

Super-Rush

fuelinjection wrote: »

What a total loser, good luck and enjoy Australia, I hope you find some self respect in your new country.

Don't post in this thread again. Final warning.

Rabies

Nothing worse than false respect.

Stand and respect it

or

Sit and respect what is going on

Dravokivich

don't stand for the dam thing myself...

Super-Rush

NothingMan wrote: »

I'd be more annoyed at the idiot bands/DJ's sometimes even just a CD that plays the stupid song at a pub. I'll stand for it at a sport event etc... but not just because it's last orders in my local or the god awful DJ at the 21st doesn't have anything else to play except Rock the Boat, come on eileen and the national anthem.

I play the anthem at the end of the night to signify that its time to go home. Most pubs expect it and the few rare occasions that i didn't play it the punters were not happy. I'd prefer to play something else, but its not worth the hassle.

AnonoBoy

Why should Spaniards stand for our national anthem?

If they were booing or something you could see people getting annoyed, I would myself if that was going on. But just because they didn't stand up they were given hassle?

Morons. The sort of people who do things like that are the same people who go on about The 'Ra being great and how they f*cking hate the English while wearing a Chelsea jersey and the like. Idiots, plain and simple.

prinz

Nothing worse in a niteclub or bar tbh as a night ender tbh it's pathetic.

As for sporting events on tv in a pub, I might stand or sit, but always silent and still. No drinking/talking etc during the anthems.

However I would also always respect the anthems of other countries too, including God Save The Queen, something which many Irish seem unable to do.

thetonynator

if it was at a match they should stand, but not in a pub, they probably wouldn't have known what it was if everyone around them wasnt standing up . . .

NothingMan

super-rush wrote: »

I play the anthem at the end of the night to signify that its time to go home. Most pubs expect it and the few rare occasions that i didn't play it the punters were not happy. I'd prefer to play something else, but its not worth the hassle.

How about you just play Tele-Tubby Bye Bye. It sends the same message.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86ooFFdCr1s

Foxhound38

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Why should Spaniards stand for our national anthem?

If they were booing or something you could see people getting annoyed, I would myself if that was going on. But just because they didn't stand up they were given hassle?

That's what I was wondering myself. If a group of Irish stayed sitting down and got hassel for it I would understand (it would still be idiotic but at least it would be consistant), but these Spanish students were just sitting quietly while it was played. For them to get the hassel that they did from these angry, drunken boors probably put a dampener on their whole night - a fine way to make tourists coming over to spend their money here in these recessionary times feel in our country.

The question I had to ask myself of the men who gave them grief was would they practice what they preach if God Save the Queen came on in a pub while they are in England? I think not...

L.Jenkins

To be honest, I love Ireland and take pride in everything Irish, (Flag and Anthem) but in my personal opinion, the anthem has no place in pubs or clubs. I find this alittle more disrespectful then a group not wanting to stand for it in the first place. If I'm in another country where there is an occasion for playing the national anthem, I'll atleast have the courtesy to stand as a mark of respect, even if it is god save the queen (I'll be cringing afterwards though).

krudler

djhunter30 wrote: »

To be honest, I love Ireland and take pride in everything Irish, (Flag and Anthem) but in my personal opinion, the anthem has no place in pubs or clubs. I find this alittle more disrespectful then a group not wanting to stand for it in the first place. If I'm in another country where there is an occasion for playing the national anthem, I'll atleast have the courtesy to stand as a mark of respect, even if it is god save the queen (I'll be cringing afterwards though).

Isnt that worse than faking to show respect?

Its just a song at the end of the day, the Spaniards probably had no idea what our anthem even sounds like, I doubt most people here crying about national pride would know what the Spanish national anthem is unless it was pointed out to them

L.Jenkins

krudler wrote: »

Isnt that worse than faking to show respect?

It is, but atleast I won't look like the odd one out, and the focus of an angry mob! Plus it's alittle bit of courtescy!

Stercus Accidit

If you read AH for long enough you run out of reasons to be proud of this miserable island.

krudler

Stercus Accidit wrote: »

If you read AH for long enough you run out of reasons to be proud of this miserable island.

Well said, a nation of corrupt politicians, inept police, gangland crime, recession, binge drinking, child abuse scandals and Ryan Tubridy

but hey, everyone loves rugby right?

Lillylilly

I don't stand up for the anthem. It's nothing to do with not being respectful, it's just not something I value or feel is important. If I'm in company that feel it is disrespectful, I leave the room and go to the loo.
That way I feel that I'm not being a hypocrit.

neil_18_

I wouldn't expect them to stand for it... It's not their national anthem... And you're right those idiots wouldn't stand for god save the queen...

I would expect them to be respecful though...If the place is silent, i would be pretty annoyed if they continued talking...

But no i wouldn't expect them to stand...

fletch...

It really p**sses me off to be honest, il use one of last christmass get togethers for a rough example. The pub is fairly packed, people are mostly drunk, the national anthem comes on. Idiots who dont even know the words doing their best to be heard over everyone els, then more idiots start shouting F*ck the brits and tiochaigh ar la and all sorts of crap like that.
meanwhile my English girlfriend of 7 years has to pretend it doesnt bother her while my english Brother in law whos just visiting for xmass wants out of the pub.

Then i start getting an earfull for not standing with hand on heart to that?
Yeah sure, why not. And then ofcourse its all my fault for all hell breaking out.

The national anthem has lost all meaning at that stage.

krudler

Its always the drunk twats with delusions that they are nationalists who start things like this, and none of them ever know the words, "sianna fianna fail.....something something EIREANN! hurhuhrrhuhr ", repeat until end. then of course you always get some gobsh1te with the IQ of a wet tissue who has to should "up the RA!" at the end, moron.

Dudess

Wouldn't stand for it in a pub in a fit. I remember some friends were over from England and they wanted to go somewhere with Irish traditional music - unfortunately the "trad session" in the pub we chose was rebel songs, complete with "up the 'ra" chants. It was horrible, but my friends were really polite about it and insisted on staying there.
The humorless main band guy kept telling tales of oppression from... 200 years ago etc. I went from embarrassed to quite angry. When the national anthem kicked in, I was the only one sitting down, my friends told me to cop on or I'd get grief (they probably weren't wrong) and my English friends were uncomfortable about it. Best thing to do in those situations is just go outside and wait for your friends.

MickShamrock

Dave! wrote: »

Oh god I cringe and die a little inside when the national anthem is played in a pub

This. Although the playing of "Ireland's Call" is more cringe worthy.

krudler

krudler wrote: »

I doubt most people here crying about national pride would know what the Spanish national anthem is unless it was pointed out to them

Pop quiz hotshots......why don't Spaniards sing the words to their national anthem at football matches?

Dravokivich

fletch... wrote: »

idiots start shouting F*ck the brits and tiochaigh ar la and all sorts of crap like that.

This is what we're told it's meant to be... to be patriotic.

As you siad yerself... it's bleeding ridiculas...

Dudess

krudler wrote: »

Well said, a nation of corrupt politicians, inept police, gangland crime, recession, binge drinking, child abuse scandals and Ryan Tubridy

but hey, everyone loves rugby right?

This is the other side of the coin - likening Ireland to some miserable South American banana republic. I'm not patriotic/nationalistic and I don't understand "pride" in being Irish, but I don't understand "shame" in it either, and despite the above "horrors", we have a pretty high standard of living (generally speaking) And our day to day lives are pretty darn easy.

krudler

Dudess wrote: »

Wouldn't stand for it in a pub in a fit. I remember some friends were over from England and they wanted to go somewhere with Irish traditional music - unfortunately the "trad session" in the pub we chose was rebel songs, complete with "up the 'ra" chants. It was horrible, but my friends were really polite about it and insisted on staying there.
The humorless main band guy kept telling tales of oppression from... 200 years ago etc. I went from embarrassed to quite angry. When the national anthem kicked in, I was the only one sitting down, my friends told me to cop on or I'd get grief (they probably weren't wrong) and my English friends were uncomfortable about it. Best thing to do in those situations is just go outside and wait for your friends.

This is ridiculous, where people act like we're still being oppressed as a nation by the dastardly English, probably while wearing a Liverpool jersey, watching Eastenders and drinking a pint of Strongbow

krudler

Deleted User wrote: »

Pop quiz hotshots......why don't Spaniards sing the words to their national anthem at football matches?

cos there isnt just one?

Dudess

I like some rebel songs and have a huge interest in Irish history, but leave it out of the pub/having an agenda attached to it. And leave the "up the 'ra" chants out of the rebel songs.

krudler

Dudess wrote: »

This is the other side of the coin - likening Ireland to some miserable South American banana republic. I'm not patriotic/nationalistic and I don't understand "pride" in being Irish, but I don't understand "shame" in it either, and despite the above "horrors", we have a pretty high standard of living (generally speaking) And our day to day lives are pretty darn easy.

Ah that was a bit tongue in cheek, yeah we have a lot of problems, so do most countries, but its those infuriating things that we just cant get right that boil my onions, decent public transport , a shambles of a healthcare system, etc etc, self loathing is something us Irish do so well, its either one side of the scale or the other, blind nationalism or self hatred, all a bit Irish really

TBh I wish I knew how to speak Irish fluently, its utterly ridiculous that I know more French than Irish, a subject I was taught (badly) in school since I was 6 until leaving cert, come to think of it I can speak more Japanese than Irish. There is a lot of fascinating stuff about Irish history but we're always expected to look down on our own culture, or to instantly dismiss something as being rubbish because its Irish

Dravokivich

krudler wrote: »

This is ridiculous, where people act like we're still being oppressed as a nation by the dastardly English, probably while wearing a Liverpool jersey, watching Eastenders and drinking a pint of Strongbow

ah yes... because national pride means you can't admire foreign Athelete's in a foreign sports club.... Foreign drama / literature, taking into account we have a young generation now that are into the Hills and Glee, but there's also top show's like Bones / House / *cringe* 24 / Lie to me... and foreign Drink / cuisine... oh... you don't drink the likes of vodka or largers, eat chinese / italian?

T'is all GAA / Fair City - Glen Roe vidjoes / Cabbage and Guinness for the respectable Irishman?

prinz

Deleted User wrote: »

Pop quiz hotshots......why don't Spaniards sing the words to their national anthem at football matches?

Muwahahaha, because there are no official anthem lyrics.

krudler

krudler wrote: »

cos there isnt just one?

Our survey says.....EH EHHHHHH!

'Fraid not, good answer though.

Edit: Good man yourself Prinz, shiny gold star for you!

fuelinjection

super-rush wrote: »

Don't post in this thread again. Final warning.

this is my respect face.

prinz

Dravokivich wrote: »

ah yes... because national pride means you can't admire foreign Athelete's in a foreign sports club....

National pride =/= being an ignorant backward c*nt. I have plenty of national pride, yet I don't feel the need to reaffirm that by slagging off the English/Brits/bringing up the past etc.

krudler

Dravokivich wrote: »

ah yes... because national pride means you can't admire foreign Athelete's in a foreign sports club.... Foreign drama / literature, taking into account we have a young generation now that are into the Hills and Glee, but there's also top show's like Bones / House / *cringe* 24 / Lie to me... and foreign Drink / cuisine... oh... you don't drink the likes of vodka or largers, eat chinese / italian?

T'is all GAA / Fair City - Glen Roe vidjoes / Cabbage and Guinness for the respectable Irishman?

Way to miss my point completely:rolleyes:

Dudess

Dravokivich wrote: »

ah yes... because national pride means you can't admire foreign Athelete's in a foreign sports club.... Foreign drama / literature, taking into account we have a young generation now that are into the Hills and Glee, but there's also top show's like Bones / House / *cringe* 24 / Lie to me... and foreign Drink / cuisine... oh... you don't drink the likes of vodka or largers, eat chinese / italian?

T'is all GAA / Fair City - Glen Roe vidjoes / Cabbage and Guinness for the respectable Irishman?

As you can obviously see, he didn't say that in the slightest. In the highly unlikely event you genuinely didn't see what he meant, he was referring to hypocrisy, not "doing national pride wrong".

krudler

Deleted User wrote: »

Our survey says.....EH EHHHHHH!

'Fraid not, good answer though.

Edit: Good man yourself Prinz, shiny gold star for you!

Whats that got to do with what I said? I never mentioned lyrics, just said most people wouldnt know the Spanish anthem if it was played to them, same as those Spaniards may not have know the Irish anthem

fuelinjection

right i am going to be banned defending the Irish national anthem, it is worth it though.

krudler

Dudess wrote: »

As you can obviously see, he didn't say that in the slightest. In the unlikely event you genuinely didn't see what he meant, he was referring to hypocrisy, not "doing national pride wrong".

Least someone got it, I meant those feverish "fcuk the English" muppets who done see the irony in supporting English soccer teams, watching English tv shows and putting money into the English economy in a roundabout way, all the while decrying the country for oppressing us and screaming anti English abuse when the anthem is played

NothingMan

fuelinjection wrote: »

right i am going to be banned defending the Irish national anthem, it is worth it though.

You really seem to see the world through wierd colour glasses. You insult a poster then claim you were infracted for being patriotic. 2 + 2 = 7? That way of thinking leads to some very bad actions by the ignorant few. Why can't you argue your point without resorting to name calling or other people in extreme cases, car bombs.

Davei141

fuelinjection wrote: »

right i am going to be banned defending the Irish national anthem, it is worth it though.

Better yet you should kill yourself in protest of this thread, we will get Gerry Adams to carry your coffin single handedly. Up the RAAAAAA

Stercus Accidit

Siana fianna fail, ata faoi bheal in eireannn, buin dar slu, ar har har de dar dar dar. <pause>

Dar de dar dar dar...

And that's a GOOD version of what you would get in the pub, the pub where we cement the reputation of rowdy drunks and idiots.

Up the RA woo woo!

Cringe worthy.

Dudess

fuelinjection wrote: »

right i am going to be banned defending the Irish national anthem

Oh no, no you're not - so ya can remove the martyr hat now

You were told not to post in the thread again because you were personally abusive, which is against the charter.

fuelinjection

NothingMan wrote: »

You really seem to see the world through wierd colour glasses. You insult a poster then claim you were infracted for being patriotic. 2 + 2 = 7? That way of thinking leads to some very bad actions by the ignorant few. Why can't you argue your point without resorting to name calling or other people in extreme cases, car bombs.

There was no insult, just a good luck to finding another country that he could repect. I love my flag, anthem, and history but respect anyone who may have other backgrounds such as unionists, but you don't know me.
Again I stand over my comment and have the same right to reply as Dave.