Volvo V50 sick of Uk Eire price differences

Erren Music

Hi all. While looking for a 5 series touring I happened upon the v50.

Only problem is the price difference between here and UK again.

Band

A € 104




Irish price V50 1.6D Drive € 29,896

gov scrap 1,500 volvo scrap 2,420

TOTAL € 25,976

uk PRICE

Volvo V50 1.6D DRIVe S Start/Stop

On the Road Price £20.545 Less Government Scrappage contribution £1,000 Less Manufacturer Scrappage contribution £3,984 Scrappage On the Road Price £15,561

So Volvo are offering the UK almost €5,000 euro along with the gov scrappage. This is unacceptable. The VRT on this car new is only €2,900.

testicle

So buy it in the UK, claim back the UK VAT, and pay VRT and Irish VAT.

VolvoMan

Just to let you know, the V50 is a lot smaller than a 5 Series Touring.

Erren Music

VolvoMan wrote: »

Just to let you know, the V50 is a lot smaller than a 5 Series Touring.

I know, but a new car for 21 grand or a 4 year 5 series:rolleyes:

One of my friends has an s40 and I was very impressed with it.

Erren Music

testicle wrote: »

So buy it in the UK, claim back the UK VAT, and pay VRT and Irish VAT.

I have just phoned an Irish dealer and I asked him why there was such a difference. Do Volvo Uk and Eire cars come from the same distributor?

Anan1

I don't see how the UK gov. scrappage will be available on a car for export, and I don't think the Volvo UK 'scrappage' discount will be either.

The best thing for the OP to do, IMO, is to get quotes for the car tax-free in the UK, add VAT and VRT, and then buy wherever it's cheapest. Also, don't forget to specify km/h clocks.

VolvoMan

Erren Music wrote: »

I know, but a new car for 21 grand or a 4 year 5 series:rolleyes:

One of my friends has an s40 and I was very impressed with it.

They are a good car all right. I just felt the need to point that out to you.

Saab Ed

I dont think you're comparing apples with apples OP. First you cant get UK scrappage on an Irish car and secondly you're basing your figures on list price discounts. Call an Irish Volvo dealer and ask him what he can really do a new V50 for with all the scrappage allownaces off the car. My guess is it will be there or there abouts the same.

Swingguru

Just bought a 1.6d SE in NI. 2 years old, 20K miles in amazing condition for £11k. Bargain or what? Great car, comfortable and very economical. Bit of class about it as well. Get yourself up to SMW or Greers in NI and pick up a nearly new bargain!

Erren Music

I can land this one new for under €21k. thats a bargain


So VAT free 13,243 stg Vat(17.5%)


13,243.00 GBP=15,067.03 EUR

http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi?Amount=13%2C243&From=GBP&To=EUR


€15,067 x 21% =€2,781


Total €17,848, then add VRT say €3,000

total to pay €20,848

Erren Music

Saab Ed wrote: »

I dont think you're comparing apples with apples OP. First you cant get UK scrappage on an Irish car and secondly you're basing your figures on list price discounts. Call an Irish Volvo dealer and ask him what he can really do a new V50 for with all the scrappage allownaces off the car. My guess is it will be there or there abouts the same.

Sorry my point is that Volvo are giving potential UK buyers 5 thousand euros scrap allowances

Volvo ireland are giving us 2,500 euros

Swingguru

RIP OFF IRELAND AGAIN!!

Saab Ed

Erren Music wrote: »

Sorry my point is that Volvo are giving potential UK buyers 5 thousand euros scrap allowances

Volvo ireland are giving us 2,500 euros

.....yeah but off a higher list price. UK prices are just about what you'll buy the car for, another words if the car is advertised at 20 grand then you'll not buy it for much under 19,800 were as Irish list prices can be reduced by 1000's of euro. Its just the way the systems are...silly really.

Erren Music

Swingguru wrote: »

Just bought a 1.6d SE in NI. 2 years old, 20K miles in amazing condition for £11k. Bargain or what? Great car, comfortable and very economical. Bit of class about it as well. Get yourself up to SMW or Greers in NI and pick up a nearly new bargain!

Do you have a linky to it.

I only started thinking about V50 yesterday.

They are the S40 in estate, is that the only difference?

What year or month did the sub 120 gm Co2 come in?

Swingguru

Think you should be looking at the 1.6 drive e d with start/stop. That comes in at 109g I think. gets a combined 77mpg!! Only launched a few months ago.

Swingguru

Erren Music wrote: »

Do you have a linky to it.

I only started thinking about V50 yesterday.

They are the S40 in estate, is that the only difference?

What year or month did the sub 120 gm Co2 come in?

I only started looking 2 weeks ago by accident. Saw them by mistake, took a test drive and was v impressed. Was intending to buy an A6 saloon.....but was is a much more sensible option on the wallet, pump and insurance!

Erren Music

Saab Ed wrote: »

.....yeah but off a higher list price. UK prices are just about what you'll buy the car for, another words if the car is advertised at 20 grand then you'll not buy it for much under 19,800 were as Irish list prices can be reduced by 1000's of euro. Its just the way the systems are...silly really.

What?

Uk list price is £20,545stg.

That is about €23,500 euro and then €3,000 vrt.

The 3.5 % VAT difference is about 500 quid

SO the UK price is still the Euro equivalent of €27,000

the Irish one is still €29,986

What was your point?

VolvoMan

Erren Music wrote: »

Sorry my point is that Volvo are giving potential UK buyers 5 thousand euros scrap allowances

Volvo ireland are giving us 2,500 euros

What county are you in? If it's Dublin, you should give Spirit Motor Group a shout.

It sometimes pays to shop around.

R.O.R

Erren Music wrote: »

I can land this one new for under €21k. thats a bargain


So VAT free 13,243 stg Vat(17.5%)


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Where is £13,243 coming from?

£20,545 - £3,984 = £16,561

£16,561 less 17.5% VAT = £14,094.47

Erren Music

Swingguru wrote: »

I only started looking 2 weeks ago by accident. Saw them by mistake, took a test drive and was v impressed. Was intending to buy an A6 saloon.....but was is a much more sensible option on the wallet, pump and insurance!

How much was VRT and the stg exchange.

How much all up in Euro's

Erren Music

VolvoMan wrote: »

What county are you in? If it's Dublin, you should give Spirit Motor Group a shout.

It sometimes pays to shop around.

I just spoke to someone in Volvo and they just kept repeating that its an English car and the prices are different.

I tell you some dealers here have very poor service. They are not interested in dealing.

Volvo UK are doing a 3 year service pack for £100stg.

Isn't that fantastic.

thebiglad

Swingguru wrote: »

RIP OFF IRELAND AGAIN!!

Maybe Volvo in UK can get a better price on the vehicles to begin with due to higher volume.

Maybe Volvo have been making higher profits per unit in UK

Maybe its rip off UK

Erren Music

thebiglad wrote: »

Maybe Volvo in UK can get a better price on the vehicles to begin with due to higher volume.

Maybe Volvo have been making higher profits per unit in UK

Maybe its rip off UK

If that is the case why don't dealers here just source their cars from UK and cut out whomever is making the vast profit.

Swingguru

I think its well known fact that Ireland is the European capital of 'Rip-Off'! Have you seen the queue of cars coming into Newry on a Sat?

Anan1

Erren Music wrote: »

If that is the case why don't dealers here just source their cars from UK and cut out whomever is making the vast profit.

Why don't you? It's not as if pricing differentials are anything new, pretty much anything can be bought cheaper by shopping around.

keithclancy

Erren Music wrote: »

What?

Uk list price is £20,545stg.

That is about €23,500 euro and then €3,000 vrt.

The 3.5 % VAT difference is about 500 quid

SO the UK price is still the Euro equivalent of €27,000

the Irish one is still €29,986

What was your point?

31.995 Euros here in the Netherlands for the Base 1.6D Start/Stop...

Don't know how you make out Ireland is a Ripoff.

Maybe your should compare Euro to Euro rather than the Fluctuating Euro to Sterling.

Edit:
Pricelist here:
http://www.volvocars.com/nl/all-cars/volvo-v50/Documents/index.html

Alun

.. or better still try Denmark. Kr 360,104 = €48,379

keithclancy

Alun wrote: »

.. or better still try Denmark. Kr 360,104 = €48,379

Flamin nora ! ...

Sickening though .. im 50 Km from the German border.... cheapo car heaven..

Alun

keithclancy wrote: »

Flamin nora ! ...

Sickening though .. im 50 Km from the German border.... cheapo car heaven..

Tell me about it .. I lived in the Netherlands for 13 years, also only 60km or so from the border at Venlo. Damned BPM! (Dutch equivalent of our VRT).

One thing that was popular at the time I was there was to order a car with the minimum of extras, and if possible get them fitted at the dealers after delivery, which were then not subject to BPM. Obviously not possible for everything but for stuff that could be fitted afterwards some big savings could be made.

L-M

A cousin of mine has a Volvo S40 2.0D with 150,000kms and his co worker a V50 1.6D with (well had) 160,000kms.

They've both had loads of problems, the biggest being the V50 needing a new engine. (At a dealer cost of nearly 15k :eek:) And both cars are serviced of the button. He had a 06 Passat with 160,000, and besides needs lots of new tyres (due to the tyre fitter fitting the wrong tyres) he didn't have half as many problems.

Also the Cabin is very cramped, they're fairly small inside them.Plus the fact on long trips, besides having a nice head rests, they're actually fairly uncomfortable. If you were buying new I'd be looking at the likes of the Insignia, Passat Tdi, etc. Wouldn't be toon keen on the Volvo, but drive one first and seen what you think.

Erren Music

Anan1 wrote: »

Why don't you? It's not as if pricing differentials are anything new, pretty much anything can be bought cheaper by shopping around.

I want to support whats left of the industry in Ireland.

But if I can personally buy cars cheaper from UK, import them and pay all duties, what is stopping the buying power of major dealers doing the same thing.

I cannot understand why there is a difference. Surely the bulk buying power would reduce the price even further.

The BS you get from ringing a dealer and their nonsense about thats what we have to pay blah blah blah.

keithclancy wrote: »

31.995 Euros here in the Netherlands for the Base 1.6D Start/Stop...

So it's list price is 2,000 euro's more.

Still not much compared to the €21,000 euro from the UK with all taxes paid.

Erren Music

Limerick man wrote: »

A cousin of mine has a Volvo S40 2.0D with 150,000kms and his co worker a V50 1.6D with (well had) 160,000kms.

They've both had loads of problems, the biggest being the V50 needing a new engine. (At a dealer cost of nearly 15k :eek:) And both cars are serviced of the button. He had a 06 Passat with 160,000, and besides needs lots of new tyres (due to the tyre fitter fitting the wrong tyres) he didn't have half as many problems.

Also the Cabin is very cramped, they're fairly small inside them.Plus the fact on long trips, besides having a nice head rests, they're actually fairly uncomfortable. If you were buying new I'd be looking at the likes of the Insignia, Passat Tdi, etc. Wouldn't be toon keen on the Volvo, but drive one first and seen what you think.

So weekend test drive then before I make a decision. What dealers do weekend tests here.

Saab Ed

Erren Music wrote: »

What?


SO the UK price is still the Euro equivalent of €27,000

the Irish one is still €29,986

What was your point?

My point is that if you haggle in Ireland then there's a lot more discount to come off the list price than you think. Anyway you seem to have made up your mind already ( as is often the case with people who come on here to motor trade bash and not heed the advice of motor trade people on here :D ) so good luck with your purchase.

L-M

Erren Music wrote: »

So weekend test drive then before I make a decision. What dealers do weekend tests here.

Depends on how keen you are really, some lads might say they don't but if you build up a relationship somewhat with the dealer they might let you have it. Definitely needs to be test driven though. Drive the 2.0 too if you can, fairly quick in all gears.

EPM

Erren Music wrote: »

I want to support whats left of the industry in Ireland.

But if I can personally buy cars cheaper from UK, import them and pay all duties, what is stopping the buying power of major dealers doing the same thing.

I cannot understand why there is a difference. Surely the bulk buying power would reduce the price even further.

The BS you get from ringing a dealer and their nonsense about thats what we have to pay blah blah blah.


So it's list price is 2,000 euro's more.

Still not much compared to the €21,000 euro from the UK with all taxes paid.

It's VRT is the problem really. Our pre-tax prices are amongst the lowest. Did my thesis on car price dispersion...we're getting off lightly compared to some...

Had some stats that showed a variance of 50% on pre-tax prices of some models across europe

Big Nasty

Saab Ed wrote: »

Anyway you seem to have made up your mind already ( as is often the case with people who come on here to motor trade bash and not heed the advice of motor trade people on here :D ) so good luck with your purchase.

I was kinda thinking that the sole purpose of some threads are purely to promote NI / UK dealers!

Swingguru wrote: »

Just bought a 1.6d SE in NI. 2 years old, 20K miles in amazing condition for £11k. Bargain or what? Great car, comfortable and very economical. Bit of class about it as well. Get yourself up to SMW or Greers in NI and pick up a nearly new bargain!

R.O.R

Kind of reminds me of something.............................

Tabnabs

Limerick man wrote: »

Also the Cabin is very cramped, they're fairly small inside them.Plus the fact on long trips, besides having a nice head rests, they're actually fairly uncomfortable. If you were buying new I'd be looking at the likes of the Insignia, Passat Tdi, etc. Wouldn't be toon keen on the Volvo, but drive one first and seen what you think.

I have the S40 and at 6'3" I find it fine. In terms of being uncomfortable, with respect, horsesh*t. A more comfortable car seat I have never had. I have had severe back problems in the past but never once have I been uncomfortable in the volvo, quite the opposite. The back legroom is tight for adults, that's it.

And to continue the price comparison, the entry level V50 in Norway will set you back 289,900 NOK = 36,078 EUR

L-M

Swingguru wrote: »

Just bought a 1.6d SE in NI. 2 years old, 20K miles in amazing condition for £11k. Bargain or what? Great car, comfortable and very economical. Bit of class about it as well. Get yourself up to SMW or Greers in NI and pick up a nearly new bargain!

I seem to be only able to read that post in the voice of the lad who does Harvey Normans adds!

L-M

Dyflin wrote: »

I have the S40 and at 6'3" I find it fine. In terms of being uncomfortable, with respect, horsesh*t. A more comfortable car seat I have never had. I have had severe back problems in the past but never once have I been uncomfortable in the volvo, quite the opposite. The back legroom is tight for adults, that's it.

Passenger seat, sit in the front passenger seat and tell me that you have lots of leg room! You have to angle your feet to be comfortable remotely comfortable! And the seats are genuinely not comfortable in my opinion. I went for a spin to Dublin and I couldn't get comfortable, had a pain in my back on the way home then. And I'm just over 6ft.

Erren Music

Saab Ed wrote: »

.....yeah but off a higher list price. UK prices are just about what you'll buy the car for, another words if the car is advertised at 20 grand then you'll not buy it for much under 19,800 were as Irish list prices can be reduced by 1000's of euro. Its just the way the systems are...silly really.

Why haven't you addressed the comparison I showed you?

Why don't you just have one price for all, and cut out haggling then. Surely the RRP is a load of BS.

Saab Ed wrote: »

My point is that if you haggle in Ireland then there's a lot more discount to come off the list price than you think. Anyway you seem to have made up your mind already ( as is often the case with people who come on here to motor trade bash and not heed the advice of motor trade people on here :D ) so good luck with your purchase.

MCMLXXV wrote: »

I was kinda thinking that the sole purpose of some threads are purely to promote NI / UK dealers!

I cannot understand why there is a difference. Surely the bulk buying power would reduce the price even further.

If I can personally buy cars thousands of Euro cheaper from UK, import them and pay all duties, what is stopping the buying power of major dealers doing the same thing?

Do not imply that I am motor trade bashing, answer that simple question.

Dyflin wrote: »

I have the S40 and at 6'3" I find it fine. In terms of being uncomfortable, with respect, horsesh*t. A more comfortable car seat I have never had. I have had severe back problems in the past but never once have I been uncomfortable in the volvo, quite the opposite. The back legroom is tight for adults, that's it.

I am the same height. Back legroom is tight in most cars. I probably have people in the back once a month at the most.

VolvoMan

Limerick man wrote: »

A cousin of mine has a Volvo S40 2.0D with 150,000kms and his co worker a V50 1.6D with (well had) 160,000kms.

They've both had loads of problems, the biggest being the V50 needing a new engine. (At a dealer cost of nearly 15k :eek:) And both cars are serviced of the button. He had a 06 Passat with 160,000, and besides needs lots of new tyres (due to the tyre fitter fitting the wrong tyres) he didn't have half as many problems.

Also the Cabin is very cramped, they're fairly small inside them.Plus the fact on long trips, besides having a nice head rests, they're actually fairly uncomfortable. If you were buying new I'd be looking at the likes of the Insignia, Passat Tdi, etc. Wouldn't be toon keen on the Volvo, but drive one first and seen what you think.

Ah now Limerick man, I don't think they're really as bad as you say. Besides, you couldn't call and S40 or V50 unreliable and say the Passat is any better. I believed everything you said by the way until you mentioned it was uncomfortable, which is something it most definitely is not. Volvo's may be many things, but uncomfortable is one thing they never will be. The cabin is also no smaller than a 3 Series or B7 Audi A4, but it's still an adequate size. If space is an issue, I suggest the OP have a look at the bigger S80 or V70 DRIVe.

The S40 and V50 have been on the market for six years and are still selling strongly, so they can't be all that bad. I can't say that I've seen that many new Passat's in comparison to them anyway, which is probably down to the new Superb being a far better car in every way among other things.

Erren Music wrote: »

So weekend test drive then before I make a decision. What dealers do weekend tests here.

Pretty much all of them I think. It depends on availability of the model you want to test drive of course.

Pkiernan

keithclancy wrote: »

31.995 Euros here in the Netherlands for the Base 1.6D Start/Stop...

Don't know how you make out Ireland is a Ripoff.

Maybe your should compare Euro to Euro rather than the Fluctuating Euro to Sterling.

Edit:
Pricelist here:
http://www.volvocars.com/nl/all-cars/volvo-v50/Documents/index.html

You have to pay extra in Holland as punishment for clogging the Autobahns here in Germany in the summer!!!

It's new EU legislation apparently.

GiftGrub100

If you are going to buy a V50 then I would advise you to look at the SE model, which amongst other items gives you full leather, 17'' Alloys and cruise control which add quite a lot to the enjoyment factor of the car. Was looking in a dealer today for a car for my cousin and a brand new V50 1.6D SE with start stop for 29,500 on a straight deal including bluetooth and tank of diesel and free road tax,Not a bad deal in my opinion and they will collect the car in two days.

Tabnabs

Limerick man wrote: »

Passenger seat, sit in the front passenger seat and tell me that you have lots of leg room! You have to angle your feet to be comfortable remotely comfortable! And the seats are genuinely not comfortable in my opinion. I went for a spin to Dublin and I couldn't get comfortable, had a pain in my back on the way home then. And I'm just over 6ft.

I've owned the car for over three years, a bit more than a spin to Dublin, never once had a problem. Honestly your experience is not borne out by anyone I've had in the car.

-Chris-

Erren Music wrote: »

Why don't you just have one price for all, and cut out haggling then. Surely the RRP is a load of BS.

People expect haggling, doing away with it would cause more hassle than it solves. I don't think anyone's mentally prepared for a world where they pay sticker price for a car.

Also, when you bring in trade-ins, outstanding finance, supply of new finance etc. the sum gets more complicated than your menu pricing solution would suggest.

Erren Music wrote: »

I cannot understand why there is a difference. Surely the bulk buying power would reduce the price even further.

If I can personally buy cars thousands of Euro cheaper from UK, import them and pay all duties, what is stopping the buying power of major dealers doing the same thing?

The main reason that main dealers won't do this is because they stand to lose their franchises (after investing massive amounts of money in premises, branding etc.) if they get caught parallel importing.

As a dealer you could make the decision to risk your franchise, or to hand it back, in order to deal in UK imported cars and make some hay while the exchange rates are in their favour; but if the exchange rates recover, if the UK market/pricing changes or if either government changes anything fundamental like Vat or VRT you'll be fairly exposed.

It's a much safer bet to compete against the other Irish Volvo dealers on a fairly even footing than to lay it all on the line and endanger a franchise you've held for 20 years for the sake of making quick bucks.


Also, do bear in mind that when you ring up a dealer and ask "why don't you import from the UK, why won't Volvo price-equalise between ROI and the UK?" you're talking to a retail salesperson. You're at the wrong end of the pecking order to be asking these questions, and the guys you're talking to will consider the conversation a waste of time for the same reason.

bazz26

I've an S40 for almost 12 months now, it's one of the most comfortable cars I've ever owned and the spec is unreal for the money. I also have no problem with front leg room though I am only 5ft 7". Definately recommend the 2.0d over the 1.6d though. The 1.6d takes forever to get going.

Erren Music

-Chris- wrote: »

People expect haggling, doing away with it would cause more hassle than it solves. I don't think anyone's mentally prepared for a world where they pay sticker price for a car.

Also, when you bring in trade-ins, outstanding finance, supply of new finance etc. the sum gets more complicated than your menu pricing solution would suggest.

I understand what you are saying, but I prefer the UK method or no more than a certain amount.

My Aunt bought a new car this year, we both went in to dealers to price new cars, my deal was much better and thats not fair.

-Chris- wrote: »

The main reason that main dealers won't do this is because they stand to lose their franchises (after investing massive amounts of money in premises, branding etc.) if they get caught parallel importing.

This is a very fair point and one I had not considered.

-Chris- wrote: »

As a dealer you could make the decision to risk your franchise, or to hand it back, in order to deal in UK imported cars and make some hay while the exchange rates are in their favour; but if the exchange rates recover, if the UK market/pricing changes or if either government changes anything fundamental like Vat or VRT you'll be fairly exposed.

Citroen are branching out on their own after losing Gallic. I am hoping they get some decent prices in soon. Wifes car is getting to that 8 year old age of timing belt, major service, tyres and NCT soon.

Dyflin wrote: »

I've owned the car for over three years, a bit more than a spin to Dublin, never once had a problem. Honestly your experience is not borne out by anyone I've had in the car.

Good to know.

So are they the S40 in estate.

bazz26

Erren Music wrote: »

So are they the S40 in estate.

Basically yes, aside from a slightly different front grill and fog lights.

L-M

VolvoMan wrote: »

Ah now Limerick man, I don't think they're really as bad as you say. Besides, you couldn't call and S40 or V50 unreliable and say the Passat is any better. I believed everything you said by the way until you mentioned it was uncomfortable, which is something it most definitely is not. Volvo's may be many things, but uncomfortable is one thing they never will be. The cabin is also no smaller than a 3 Series or B7 Audi A4, but it's still an adequate size.

I've sat in the older S40 and they are mighty comfortable, I just didn't find the new one comfortable at all. I didn't say the Passat was any better to an extent, but over the same mileage with my cousin he found it had a lot less problems. I've nothing against the S40, there are just alot of cars in it's class I would choose in a heartbeat over it. I was out with the cousin there and I asked him if he hadn't it as a company car would he buy one with his own money. The answer I got was "No, because of the high running costs. Loads of little problems. A brakes module went it in and it cost €1500 to replace."

Dyflin wrote: »

I've owned the car for over three years, a bit more than a spin to Dublin, never once had a problem. Honestly your experience is not borne out by anyone I've had in the car.

Opinions are like ars... You know the saying :P

Tragedy

-Chris- wrote: »

People expect haggling, doing away with it would cause more hassle than it solves. I don't think anyone's mentally prepared for a world where they pay sticker price for a car.

Irish people are crap at haggling and as a nation we just don't do it, and I seriously doubt many people questioned sticker prices for cars during the boom(or that if they did, sellers were willing to deal back then).