Why did you become a vegetarian?

dermothickey

Just thought I'd ask people why they became a vegetarian and what spurred them on. Please share, no judgements, just a chance to pool our collective information and it may inspire others to adopt the lifestyle

Censorsh!t

Initially because of ethical reasons.
But over the years I've learned there's a lot more to it, like health, the environment etc.

entropi

dermothickey wrote: »

Just thought I'd ask people why they became a vegetarian and what spurred them on. Please share, no judgements, just a chance to pool our collective information and it may inspire others to adopt the lifestyle

We happened to this not too long ago, if i can direct you to Here it should give you all that information you seek

AARRRGH

I think it is wrong to kill innocent animals, and it disgusts me how inhumane industrial farming has become, treating animals as if they were inanimate. I find this coldness disturbing. So for these reasons I don't eat meat.

I actually like the taste of meat, and I now find it harder to put on weight which does negatively affect me because I lift weights. But as Ghandi says: be the change you want to see in the world.

Tar.Aldarion

control c...control v...

I hate plants.


I love every single type of meat.
I hated nearly every food apart from meat so it was quite the daunting task.
I still did it and am so happy to have done so..it's only in the last year...5 years later that I am comfortable enough eating vegetables. I don't know how I lived without mushrooms and kidney beans and chickpeas and so forth..mmmm!

What pushed me to commit to it was that i was not a child any more and I am very against certain things...like many I wouldn't have thought about it before, just ate meat, it was a food and that is how I was raised. When I thought about it I knew I was uncomfortable about the unecessary pain I was causing, simply for the pleasure of my diet... so i decided to buy my own food and of course I got some help! It was the most difficult thing I've done due to my hate of 99% of foods but also the most rewarding.

dermothickey

hey Tar, that's amazing fair play to you. It musn't have been easy.

anothernight

I couldn't eat him.

When I was 10 years old I decided I'd eventually become vegetarian. I didn't do it at the time because I didn't feel like I had enough nutritional knowledge to follow a healthy diet without meat, and I couldn't cook either so those were major setbacks.
The reason I wanted to become vegetarian was that in my mind it didn't make sense to eat animal flesh, causing all that suffering to the poor animals, when we can obviously thrive on a vegetarian diet. I ate meat for a good few years after that but I felt very bad about it, so I slowly drifted into vegetarianism.

Then 3 years ago we got our cat (isn't he cute??? ^_^) and I realised that there's no way I could go back to eating animals.

dermothickey

That picture pulls my heart strings Of course you couldn't eat him

Clare Bear

I think it was growing up in a farming environment did it to me. Seeing the cows being taken off in a lorry to the factory got to me every time, as a child I always felt that they knew where they were going (who knows, maybe they do!). My Dad brought me to one of the factories once when I asked to go, I'll never forget the smell or the noises....I stopped eating Beef at 10 and slowly added all other animals to that as time went on. In my late teens I completely gave up meat and am very glad I did. I love vegetables and all things non meat based so it hasn't been difficult at all.

Whispered

I have a thing about passing those animal lorries. The big terrified intelligent eyes looking out.:( If you look at the animals, they look back and register the fact you're looking at them. Eye contact with them is incredibly upsetting.

I started by finding it hard to understand the difference between "stock" animals and pet animals. I wouldn't eat my budgie or my dog, and yet would eat chicken and pig. There is no major difference between a budgie and a chicken - and pigs have a social structure which seems to be similar to that of dogs and there are people who say that pigs can be even more intelligent. Cows are the most gentle creatures and have lovely deep soulfull eyes.

I used to go fishing with my dad as a kid. I would spend the day walking around with the cows after a while they get very comfortable with your presence and allow you to touch them. A calf pulled me off my feet once trying to eat my shoelace.

Another incident that pushed me towards turning off meat was, walking my dogs by a local river and heard bleating. There were sheep in the field but they were at the other end. There was a lamb caught between the top of the bank and the river. I lifted him up and he went skipping across the field bleating - being answered by the adult sheep. He seemed so happy to be getting back to his mam.

Something else - my dad fishes and hunts. He used to bring back rabbit and phesant and I used to tell him how horribly cruel he was. I suppose he got fed up of it one day and asked me if it was better that they had a natural life until a swift end, or would I prefer to have them cooped up in tiny cages living an unnatural life. That one comment was the straw that broke the camels back. The realisation that he was right and that in fact those very pretty but very dead animals he brought back, were better off than the neatly packaged and dressed meat that was usually in our house.

I have a lot to thank my dad for. Despite the fact he does hunt and fish, he has huge respect for nature and thought me about it. I'm so glad I grew up in the countryside.

I then lapsed for about 6 months and began to eat meat again. I don't know why I did, but it was a very definate decision to not think about it. I then got involved in an energy based belief system and had a very strange sentence pop into my head one morning while I was half awake. I suppose a realisation of sorts. I've never touched meat again and the thought of it goes against so much inside me now that I know I'll never lapse again.

dermothickey

Wow, What a wonderful sharing Helena, Thank You for sharing

goldfish6483

I became a veggie for a few different reasons on ethical grounds and economic grounds as well, i think if you want to eat meat thats fine but i think you have to be responsible about knowing where you food comes from. at the current time i cant afford to buy organic free range meat, and i dont really miss it to be honest so its no huge loss for me, i do have a toddler and she does eat meat occasionally but its has to be organic and free range i think if people knew the abuse the animal had to go though so the consumer could get it cheaply most would not eat the 2 for a fiver chickens.

CokaColumbo

I became a vegetarian because I thought it was wrong to take the life of a sentient animal away no matter how 'humane' his or her treatment may be.
But after about eight or nine months of reading and developing my opinions about animal rights I realised, for a number of reasons, that my ethical vegetarianism wasn't a very coherent philosophy.

For one, by continuing to use animals I was still treating them like mere commodities. Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, all 'dairy' cows and hens are slaughtered when their productivity drops below a certain level. By continuing to drink milk and eat eggs, I was sustaining these industries and was, in practice, demanding that cows and hens be slaughtered. In this way, my consumption of dairy & eggs was in no way different to my consumption of steak and pork. Ethical vegetarianism just didn't make any practical sense in my case.

I have been a vegan for four months now and believe it to be the only legitimate choice for those who think that it is wrong to a) treat non-human animals like things; and b) to inflict unnecessary death upon them.

Does anybody think my line of thought is wrong here?

Slaphead07

helena.ryan wrote: »

I then got involved in an energy based belief system and had a very strange sentence pop into my head one morning while I was half awake. I suppose a realisation of sorts.

and can you tell us what that was? I understand if you'd rather not.

bl8ckh8art

19 years vegetarian, I refuse to eat the flesh of anything that was once alive!

Whispered

CokaColumbo wrote: »

In this way, my consumption of dairy & eggs was in no way different to my consumption of steak and pork. Ethical vegetarianism just didn't make any practical sense in my case.

You've just given me a hell of a lot to think about. What you're saying makes perfect sense to me. How are you finding the transition into veganism? Any tips? Would you think you can "try" it for a week and get a proper feel or would it take longer?

Slaphead07 wrote: »

and can you tell us what that was? I understand if you'd rather not.

I'd rather not it's pretty silly really, but meant a lot to me.

Diabhal_Glas

16 years vegetarian.
I never really liked meat, my parents pulled out a can of spam when I was a kid on holidays and it sickened me.
I really didn't like the idea of slaughtering animals for food. Nowadays its habit more than anything,
Its healthier, cheaper and its really zero effort for me to not eat it. I still hate walking into a kitchen when there is chicken/ meat being cooked its such a strong smell I find as a vegetarian.

sweet-rasmus

helena.ryan wrote: »

Would you think you can "try" it for a week and get a proper feel or would it take longer?

Trying it for the week will at least give you a feel for how you can manage figuring out what to eat. The effect on your body and making sure you are getting enough of each food group/nutrients would take a lot longer to get a feel for it. Ah, go for it! And tell us how you manage. Personally, I began with cutting out dairy milk and butter at home for a few months, because it was easy to handle. And later on I became strict with it while I was out.

Whispered

Ok, well today is a write off as I have already had crisps. But from tonight I'll give it a go. I better mosey off and find a few nice recipes. Fancied a chana masala for dinner.

Bread isn't vegan is it?

Tar.Aldarion

Some bread is vegan, some is not, best to check the ingredients or ask.

CokaColumbo

helena.ryan wrote: »

You've just given me a hell of a lot to think about. What you're saying makes perfect sense to me. How are you finding the transition into veganism? Any tips?

Thanks helena. I found that once I had the right convictions for going vegan it was much easier than it might otherwise have been, so I'd very much recommend just reading about ethical veganism.
I came across this article and found it to be quite compelling (http://veganfreak.com/opinion/why-vegetarianism-isnt-enough/).
Also, Gary Francione and the Abolitionist Approach was and still is key to my stance on animal rights (http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/video/). I'd definitely recommend his books to anybody interested.

IMO, veganism, although restrictive, is easier than many people believe. The amount of things you can create with fruit, vegetables, grains, and nuts/seeds is almost endless. A lot of, if not most, loaf bread and french bread is vegan also. A lot of crisps are vegan, and of course popcorn is too. You can get vegan butter, chocolate, ice cream etc. You really do have a lot of choice.
That said, its not difficult to become deficient in certain vitamins/minerals and of course non-dairy milks really do take a while to get used to!

sweet-rasmus

helena.ryan wrote: »

Bread isn't vegan is it?

Brennans and Hovis are mostly veggie/vegan, just depends on the particular variety. The main issue is with soda bread variates/brands, like McCambridges, because it's made with buttermilk.

InKonspikuou2

I'm not a vegetarian but i do eat roughly 80/20% or sometimes 60/40% in favor of non meat products to keep my body alkaline for health reasons. One thing that i don't get about some vegetarians who give the reason for not eating meat as cruelty to animals is that they consume soya. Close to where i grew up in Colombia is a part of the Amazon that has seen deforestation at unbelievable rates. Which results in countless of animal deaths and disruption to natural habitat. Not to mention the enviromental effects. Not saying all veggies eat soya and maybe those that do aren't aware of the Amazon situation. I have told a few vegetarian friends and they shrug it off and don't see it as the same as eating meat. I would view it as the same thing in terms of being a vegetarian for animal reasons. Animals suffered for the finished product.

bl8ckh8art

The one single thing that annoys me being a veggie is having to check for gelatin. It would probably be too expensive for food companies to use pectin.

sweet-rasmus

As far as I'm aware, animal feed can contain high amounts of soya, so it's not just those on a dairy free diet (who consume soya) or whom eat soya derived products who contribute, but meat eaters also.

You could also argue the point that huge amounts of CO2 is released due to the processing of animals for consumption. There are many arguements against and for various things for environmental factors and you have to be careful not to brand vegetarianism as one cause as realistically there are countless others. A debate far beyond the scope of this forum anyhow, but just keep it in mind.

CokaColumbo

InKonspikuou2 wrote: »

Close to where i grew up in Colombia is a part of the Amazon that has seen deforestation at unbelievable rates. Which results in countless animal deaths and disruption to natural habitat...I would view it as the same thing in terms of being a vegetarian for animal reasons. Animals suffered for the finished product.

I don't see it as the same thing. Surely there is a difference between deliberately killing a non-human and unintentionally doing him/her harm in the process of planting vegetables?
Compare it to the human context. We build roads to allow people to drive cars. Now, before we build a certain road we know that, as a statistical fact, a number of people will be harmed as a result of accidents, crashes etc. This harm to humans is an unintended but inevitable result of our activity but we do not ever equate it to the intentional killing of humans, i.e. murder.

I don't mean to be curt but if we were to apply your logic to the human context it would seem that building a motor-way is the same thing as shooting an innocent person, because harm to humans is a product of both.

Washout

vegetarian since birth.

karma/reincarnation reasons.

im from indian background

sensibleken

when i was in transition year we were shown a video of battery hens. that was enough to put me off chicken then i realised that i didnt want anything to do with animal farming at all.

i found it a real struggle at first. i was just a kid and couldnt cook, didnt know anyone who was veggie and had no resources to look at. so for the first few years i got everything the rest of my family got minus the meat. as a result my weight dropped to 7 stone (im 5,11 and a bloke). stayed pathetically unhealthy for years untill i finally got my act together. initially i gorged on meat replacements but quickly grew to hate them and realised that vegtables on their own with nothing else are great.

my gf is vegan which is great but i have gone out with carnivores, veggies and vegans without any problems at all (although id somethimes feel hungry when they could taste my food but i couldnt do likewise)

now i love the options you have as a veggie. when i ate meat it meals just consisted of meat and the overcooked vegetable i was forced to eat. now i vary it allot more and feel great after eating, never sluggish, never heavy, a different variation every day and at a healthy 10.5 stone i am the only one of my peers without a vastly accelerating gut.

also because its been so long i have a variety of responses for dumb questions at barbeques such as 'your vegetarian? oh my god what do you eat?

dermothickey

(although id somethimes feel hungry when they could taste my food but i couldnt do likewise)


Hahahahahaha I know the feeling....wow that tastes gorgeous...yeah I know its all I have ...leave it alone

sensibleken

sensibleken wrote: »

as a result my weight dropped to 7 stone (im 5,11 and a bloke)

:eek: Dear god I didn't even know that was physically possible.
You must have felt so unwell.

Des Carter

Ok I was just looking through this thread and couldnt help noticing a touch of ignorance in a number of the posts.

Now before ye all go giving out to me for being a veggie hater Im not and infact I never eat burgers from places like supermacks/mcdonalds etc as the animals are often treated really poorly for long periods of time.

However I dont see the problem with eating meat that is fully traceable etc as I live on a farm and we treat our animals exceptionally well and they live rather happy pain-free lives and we only sell cattle to the factory when they're old

I just wonder did any of you consider that what ye are doing may have the opposite affect in that if we dont eat meat the price of meat will fall. It will fall to the point where it wont be profitable for farmers to keep cattle and as a result will have to get rid of their cattle but no1 will buy them so they call out the vet to put them all down and then cattle would become extinct and there would be no more cute calves for ye to look and smile at and say "awww your soooo cute, Ill never eat you" to

Just a thought

entropi

Des Carter wrote: »

Ok I was just looking through this thread and couldnt help noticing a touch of ignorance in a number of the posts.

Now before ye all go giving out to me for being a veggie hater Im not and infact I never eat burgers from places like supermacks/mcdonalds etc as the animals are often treated really poorly for long periods of time.

However I dont see the problem with eating meat that is fully traceable etc as I live on a farm and we treat our animals exceptionally well and they live rather happy pain-free lives and we only sell cattle to the factory when they're old

I just wonder did any of you consider that what ye are doing may have the opposite affect in that if we dont eat meat the price of meat will fall. It will fall to the point where it wont be profitable for farmers to keep cattle and as a result will have to get rid of their cattle but no1 will buy them so they call out the vet to put them all down and then cattle would become extinct and there would be no more cute calves for ye to look and smile at and say "awww your soooo cute, Ill never eat you" to

Just a thought

Can I ask you this: did you just find out about this forum after seeing that thread about veggies in AH?

To answer your query: There are people in this forum (not me) who live on a farm, look after animals yet are veggie. They, like most of us here, have their own reasons for choosing to not eat meat. The argument about prices of cattle going down etc is a moot point, there are always alternatives to raising cattle for slaughter...sure dont most of us veggies eat butter/drink milk or eat cheese and yogurt? There are too many cattle in the world anyway, way too much food is produced for the omnivore market anyway.

dermothickey

This thread is a discussion about why people became a vegetarian.I'm glad it's given you an insight in to the reasons why some people turned vegetarian. Try to refrain from calling people ignorant cos they don't eat beef. It's a personal choice they have and their reasons are their own.

sensibleken

Des Carter wrote: »

I just wonder did any of you consider that what ye are doing may have the opposite affect in that if we dont eat meat the price of meat will fall. It will fall to the point where it wont be profitable for farmers to keep cattle and as a result will have to get rid of their cattle but no1 will buy them so they call out the vet to put them all down and then cattle would become extinct and there would be no more cute calves for ye to look and smile at and say "awww your soooo cute, Ill never eat you" to

Just a thought

oh yeah thats why farmed animals are the only animals on earth, because the rest have all been killed for being non- tasty.
its like when they realised that leeches didnt cure madness, it took them allot of effort but they wiped them out in the end. or now that we havent got the black plague anymore no need for all these pesky cats leaving their fur all over the place. lets get rid of them too.

no wolves in ireland anymore? see-ya wolfhound!

seriously though the were killing them on an industrial scale to save them from killing them alltogether arguement is not new and it makes no sense

Des Carter

OK first off

Master of Nothing wrote: »

Can I ask you this: did you just find out about this forum after seeing that thread about veggies in AH

Yes

Secondly

They, like most of us here, have their own reasons for choosing to not eat meat.

I know and I accept that and I have nothing against people who dont eat meat cause they dont like the idea of eating something that was once alive etc Im referring to the people who like meat but choose not to eat it cause of cruelty etc when in fact most cattle in Ireland live long cruelty-free lives.

there are always alternatives to raising cattle for slaughter...sure dont most of us veggies eat butter/drink milk or eat cheese and yogurt?

This does not apply to beef cattle like belgium blues, limousines and charolais etc as only dairy cattle like fresians, linebacks and Randalls are used in producing dairy products.

As for

There are too many cattle in the world anyway, way too much food is produced for the omnivore market anyway.

You do know we are at the beginning of the greatest food shortage the world has ever seen and millions upon millions of people are going to die of starvation

http://www.marketskeptics.com/2009/12/2010-food-crisis-for-dummies.html



and finally

oh yeah thats why farmed animals are the only animals on earth, because the rest have all been killed for being non- tasty.

No but farmed cattle are the only cattle in Ireland.

sensibleken

Des Carter wrote: »

No but farmed cattle are the only cattle in Ireland.

i dont get your point. if you remove a herbivores only predator they dont die from abandonment issues.

the point you made was if everyone was vegitarian people would intentionally cause the extinction of cattle. would we do this to clear land for more crops despite it takes much less land to plant crops than rear livestock? there is also plenty of examples of once domesticated animals such as goats and deer adapting perfectly well to feral conditions.

however, this is quite unlikely because if everyone became vegitarian because they suddenly cared that much about animal welfare its hardly likely theyd exterminate them. its also highly unlikely that everyone is going to become vegitarian, so its not really something we have to worry about

iUseVi

Des Carter wrote: »

No but farmed cattle are the only cattle in Ireland.

I don't get the reasoning Des. Yes perhaps the herds would reduce in number, but there would be plenty of space for them to live in the countryside, I don't see why the meat breeds wouldn't look after themselves. The problem is more with the milk breeds, which are bred to produce large amounts of milk and might suffer from not being milked often. Not sure about this and perhaps if the calves are left with them its not an issue but I'd have to check that.

Whispered

Des Carter wrote: »

You do know we are at the beginning of the greatest food shortage the world has ever seen and millions upon millions of people are going to die of starvation


.

Due to, among other things, an overpopulation of farm animals

http://www.idrc.ca/en/ev-30610-201-1-DO_TOPIC.html

this is also interesting.

http://consumercide.com/js/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=379:how-to-win-an-argument-with-a-meat-eater&catid=39:necessarily-vegetarian&Itemid=77

Granted it's an american site, but I assume cattle here in Ireland have similar needs.

We all have our views and we are all entitled to them. But to come into a vegetarian forum and call people ignorant because they don't agree with what you do for a living is just rude.

As for saying they are killed when old?? The average age is around 20 months according to this http://www.icbf.com/publications/files/New_beef_indexes_Dec06.pdf. Considering the average lifespan is 7-15 years. Thats hardly old.

If you hold onto them until they're "old" surely that greatly effects your profit margains, not to mention the quality of your meat.

Des Carter

ok when I said farmed cattle are the only cattle in Ireland I was stating a fact rather than an opinion or a belief.

As for cattle looking after themselves farmers would want to still make money on their land (they need an income too) so will want the cattle gone (not in a evil/cruel way) so they can use their land for other things (possibly selling for house sites, growing plants or forestry etc and wont be willing to give their land to the cattle.

This would mean limited space for cattle and hence death from starvation (not all of them) and in winter there would be hardley any food as there is no silage or hay being made.

Infact I saw this thing on the news a few years back (had a look there and couldnt find a link) where there were a herd of wild cattle in Cork or Kerry or somewhere and they kept attacking peoples land/gardens etc and the army were to be sent in to shoot them but the local farmers took them and domesticated them. This is actually true and Im not making it up.

Mark Hamill

Des Carter wrote: »

I know and I accept that and I have nothing against people who dont eat meat cause they dont like the idea of eating something that was once alive etc Im referring to the people who like meat but choose not to eat it cause of cruelty etc when in fact most cattle in Ireland live long cruelty-free lives.

And then they are killed for their meat. No matter how you try to spin it, the act of (unnecessarily) killing something for its meat is cruel, even if the creatures life was good. Hell, it doesn't even matter why you kill them, its still cruel and unnecessary. This is why if an octogenarian housewife, who lived a largely pain and cruelty free life, is murdered, we still call it murder. We dont just say, well their life was long and good, who cares about why they where killed.

Des Carter wrote: »

You do know we are at the beginning of the greatest food shortage the world has ever seen and millions upon millions of people are going to die of starvation

http://www.marketskeptics.com/2009/12/2010-food-crisis-for-dummies.html

Then wouldn't it be in our interest to stop using land for meat production and change to crops, as its more efficient and will give out more food?

dermothickey

Again please this forum is simply a forum asking people why they became vegetarian, If by all means you all want to argue may I suggest starting a new forum as I'm a forum Nazi

Des Carter

to come into a vegetarian forum and call people ignorant because they don't agree with what you do for a living is just rude.

Thats not what im doing I have stated on almost every post that Im not against vegetarians or think their ignorant etc

As for saying they are killed when old?? The average age is around 20 months

I never said all cattle are killed when they are old I said my cattle were as I have cows which we use for breeding and sell the calves for profit. Now if no one eats meat no1 would buy our calves and we wouldnt bull (impregnate) our cows. Then when they die through natural causes there will be no cows left.

the act of (unnecessarily) killing something for its meat is cruel, even if the creatures life was good.

Yes it is cruel but its better for the animal than the alternative which is living in the wild struggling to find food (especially in winter where there is no silage etc) and no vets to cure any cureable illnesses, pain etc where they will then die anyway (and probably in a more painful way than being shot in the head).

Finally

Then wouldn't it be in our interest to stop using land for meat production and change to crops, as its more efficient and will give out more food?

Yes I agree so if we stop using land for meat production what do we do with the cattle?
We kill them as they are eating too much crops or let them go out and fend for themselvs in places where crops cant grow (which is surprisingly limited) and let a large proportion of them die of starvation which was exactly my original point.

Whispered

Des Carter wrote: »

I never said all cattle are killed when they are old I said my cattle were as I have cows which we use for breeding and sell the calves for profit. Now if no one eats meat no1 would buy our calves and we wouldnt bull (impregnate) our cows. Then when they die through natural causes there will be no cows left.

I actually said the average age is 20 but

If you hold onto them until they're "old" surely that greatly effects your profit margains, not to mention the quality of your meat.

so you sell on calves for profit. To where, other places where they will be kept to have calves to sell on for profit? I doubt it, if they are beef cattle there is no difference. You are breeding animals for slaughter. Whether they live their 2 years with you or with another beef farmer, it's still 2 years.

Do you really think that if people cut down on meat, or even cut it out, that cows would die out?

Dermot, I just saw your request to keep this conversation out of this thread. I wont post here again about this matter. Des, would you like to start another thread?

dermothickey

Thanks Helena Just don't want people to feel discouraged from posting here

Des Carter

Helena, I would love to.

What will we call it?

Sorry Dermot, last post.

dermothickey

No need to be sorry it was an interesting Debate

Lia_lia

Was, er, born into it. Raised eating no meat. Hippy parents!

Then started eating a bit of meat when I was about 16, because I could. Gone completely vegetarian again now in the last few months. No real reason. Just don't really like meat anyway.

Konata

Well, I never really liked meat all that much. Rarely ate red meat up to the age of about 12 when I stopped entirely. The only meat I've eaten since then is chicken. I started getting more concerned about animal welfare about a year ago and decided to take the plunge and become a full on veggie! Aiming for vegan one day but not at the moment.

Novella

My dad was brought up on a farm and I remember when I was a kid, we were visiting and I actually saw turkeys being killed and I found it really difficult to eat Christmas dinner then. I'd never thought about where meat came from before that. My parents were having none of the, "But I don't want meat, I just don't like it" thing though. They thought it was a phase.

Then one day, in a restaurant, I noticed some pink in the chicken on my plate and spat whatever was in my mouth back out onto the plate. My mam never made me eat meat after that 'cause she was so embarrassed :pac:

Still ate meat every so often after that, then just decided to stop completely.

Tar.Aldarion

Well S, fancy meeting you here! I didn't know you were one of us too, and with all our lenthy talk about our backgrounds and all! I iz impressed :-P

Welcome to zee forum!


Miss Hotaru, same as you with the vegan thing but I just can't yet!

Konata

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Miss Hotaru, same as you with the vegan thing but I just can't yet!

Well, I'm already dairy free but... I love my eggs. Not ready to give them up just yet