American Tea Party Movements

kicom

What are these libertarian types complaining about?

It's quite obvious that the American Dream no longer exists (i.e. big house, big cars, rebellious teenagers, affordable healthcare, affordable college education, retire to Florida @ 55).

These people think they're entitled to live like their parents did simply because they're American citizens.

Big business now owns America (you and your parents voted them in consistently). So suck it up and stop complaining. (oh and pay your taxes or we'll put you in jail).

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/16/us/politics/16teaparty.html?hp

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Two questions:

1) What this got to do with Libertarians?
2) Are you coming back?

Iwasfrozen

kicom wrote: »

What are these libertarian types complaining about?

It's quite obvious that the American Dream no longer exists (i.e. big house, big cars, rebellious teenagers, affordable healthcare, affordable college education, retire to Florida @ 55).

These people think they're entitled to live like their parents did simply because they're American citizens.

Big business now owns America (you and your parents voted them in consistently). So suck it up and stop complaining. (oh and pay your taxes or we'll put you in jail).

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/16/us/politics/16teaparty.html?hp

Don't you think you should have started this off by telling us what tea party politics are ?

InTheTrees

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Two questions:

1) What this got to do with Libertarians?
2) Are you coming back?

Libertarians dont believe in taxes. Neither do these Tea Party people.

The whole "tea party" name is dumb anyway. A reference to the Boston Tea party which was about taxation without representation. Sounds especially dumb to those of us from tea drinking countries.

SEPT 23 1989

Is this a breakaway group from the Chimps Tea Party

kicom

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Don't you think you should have started this off by telling us what tea party politics are ?

Should I consult you (paying particular attention to the holes in your knowledge) before starting a thread in future?

AnonoBoy

Tea Party? I'm more of a cwwaaaaffeeeee man myself.

InTheTrees

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Is this a breakaway group from the Chimps Tea Party

Or maybe this guy:

Iwasfrozen

kicom wrote: »

Should I consult you (paying particular attention to the holes in your knowledge) before starting a thread in future?

Not me in particular but you should pay attention to your target audience when starting a thread. This is an Irish forum with the majority of people here (about 95%) being Irish or of Irish origin.

Why do you expect such people to have prior knowledge of every political movement in the United States that you draw a fancy of starting a thread about ?

What's more I don't like your tone. Your new here and if you want to make friends I recommend you leave the attitude at the door.

kicom

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Not me in particular but you should pay attention to your target audience when starting a thread. This is an Irish forum with the majority of people here (about 95%) being Irish or of Irish origin.

Why do you expect such people to have prior knowledge of every political movement in the United States that you draw a fancy of starting a thread about ?

What's more I don't like your tone. Your new here and if you want to make friends I recommend you leave the attitude at the door.

Why did you feel the need to make smug comments in a thread that you know nothing about then?

mikom

kicom wrote: »

What are these libertarian types complaining about?

You're dead to me boy.

Iwasfrozen

kicom wrote: »

Why did you feel the need to make smug comments in a thread that you know nothing about then?

Who's making smug comments ?

I simply assumed it was common knowledge that one would provide a little background info on a subject when making a thread about it.

By the way, don't you know its bad manners to ask another question with out answering mine first ?

kicom

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Who's making smug comments ?

I simply assumed it was common knowledge that one would provide a little background info on a subject when making a thread about it.

By the way, don't you know its bad manners to ask another question with out answering mine first ?

If you've got a problem (with a thread you don't understand or another poster), a moderator can look into it for you.

P.s. you obviously didn't read the article.

Iwasfrozen

kicom wrote: »

If you've got a problem (with a thread you don't understand or another poster), a moderator can look into it for you.

P.s. you obviously didn't read the article.

There's no need to involve moderators for simple matters such as the lack of background information on a thread. And I have no problem with you as a poster, well that is a hadn't a problem untill you insulted my intelligence.

BTW, you still haven't answered my question.

kicom

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

There's no need to involve moderators for simple matters such as the lack of background information on a thread.

BTW, you still haven't answered my question.

Thread fail.

Iwasfrozen

kicom wrote: »

Thread fail.

What ?

Anyway, we probably shouldn't bring this off-topic anymore.

twinQuins

Oh, those libertarians! What will they get up to next!

Iwasfrozen

Morkarleth wrote: »

Oh, those libertarians! What will they get up to next!

Yes, how dare they try to maxamise ones liberty !

twinQuins

Tax is theft! Rabble rabble!

Also, it appears you misunderstood the tone of my previous post.

Iwasfrozen

Morkarleth wrote: »

Tax is theft! Rabble rabble!

haha, socially I'm a libertarian but I'm in no way an economic one !

twinQuins

You sound like my kind of person.

Iwasfrozen

Morkarleth wrote: »

You sound like my kind of person.

Well, tell me what your type of person is and I'll tell you if I fit the description.

InTheTrees

Get a room...

Iwasfrozen

InTheTrees wrote: »

Get a room...

haha, good one.

twinQuins

InTheTrees wrote: »

Get a room...

There's room for one more.

phantom_lord

kicom wrote: »

What are these libertarian types complaining about?

It's quite obvious that the American Dream no longer exists (i.e. big house, big cars, rebellious teenagers, affordable healthcare, affordable college education, retire to Florida @ 55).

These people think they're entitled to live like their parents did simply because they're American citizens.

Big business now owns America (you and your parents voted them in consistently). So suck it up and stop complaining. (oh and pay your taxes or we'll put you in jail).

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/16/us/politics/16teaparty.html?hp

Seems like you managed to miss the whole reason behind the movement.

stvincent

I like tea. In fact I think I'll have a cup now. Whens the party?

rossie1977

ah yes the whole i am not a conservative i am a libertarian, lets go on a big march because that mad guy on fox news told us so........movement

the tea party movement lost any bit of credibility they had when they signed up sarah palin to be their head spokesperson :eek:

InTheTrees

rossie1977 wrote: »

ah yes the whole i am not a conservative i am a libertarian, lets go on a big march because that mad guy on fox news told us so........movement

the tea party movement lost any bit of credibility they had when they signed up sarah palin to be their head spokesperson :eek:

And dont forget fox news faking the coverage of their last gathering and then having to apologise.

rossie1977

InTheTrees wrote: »

And dont forget fox news faking the coverage of their last gathering and then having to apologise.

"fair and balanced"

achtungbarry

kicom wrote: »

Thread fail.

Didn't you start this thread?



Anyway, to me this tea party movement is nothing more than a bunch of rich big business republicans p1ssed off that they are finally being held accountable for their actions that brought the US to its knees.

phantom_lord

achtungbarry wrote: »

Anyway, to me this tea party movement is nothing more than a bunch of rich big business republicans p1ssed off that they are finally being held accountable for their actions that brought the US to its knees.

that's not it at all.

lcrcboy

stupid topic hope it gets closed

Overheal

Ladies and Gentlemen, and OP, there is a lovely forum over in Soc>Politics>US Politics, where you may be surprised to learn we frequently discuss United States Politics. Its true~!

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1028

Because to be perfectly honest, I don't know why you are asking After Hours, its mostly full of disinterested Irish Folk. Unless your aim was to ridicule the Tea Party Movement (which is a semi-popular hobby) but you weren't even doing that here.

InTheTrees

Overheal wrote: »

Unless your aim was to ridicule the Tea Party Movement (which is a semi-popular hobby) but you weren't even doing that here.

...i was trying...

:mad:

Terry

kicom wrote: »

Thread fail.

Lame meme is lame. Repeat until head explodes.

Listen, give the newbie a break.
He's just started college, so he knows everything.
We just need to hear him out and acclimatise to the fact that everything we thought was right before this dude joined boards was wrong.

Just read through his posts. He's awesome.

speedboatchase

The Tea Party Movement is nearly exclusively old, god-fearing, paranoid and moronic people from middle America that are afraid that Obama is Kenyan/a Muslim/Communist and are supposedly independent but only have Republican politicians defending them, as well as talk radio ideologues and Glenn f***ing Beck

phantom_lord

speedboatchase wrote: »

The Tea Party Movement is nearly exclusively old, god-fearing, paranoid and moronic people from middle America that are afraid that Obama is Kenyan/a Muslim/Communist and are supposedly independent but only have Republican politicians defending them, as well as talk radio ideologues and Glenn f***ing Beck

lol, no.

ascanbe

phantom_lord wrote: »

Seems like you managed to miss the whole reason behind the movement.

That's right; the main reason behind the movement being a coming together of disparate groups united only by a sense of being very, very angry at something they can't seem to quite define.

phantom_lord

ascanbe wrote: »

That's right; the main reason behind the movement being a coming together of disparate groups united only by a sense of being very, very angry at something they can't seem to quite define.

excessive gov spending and growth perhaps?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEZB4taSEoA

stevenmu

It's simple really, Obama and the Democrats are pretending to deliver change. The Conservatives are pretending to be pissed off about it. Everything else carries on as normal.

ascanbe

phantom_lord wrote: »

excessive gov spending and growth perhaps?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEZB4taSEoA

Are you asking me do i believe excessive government spending is the main reason behind the 'Tea- party movement'?
If so, no, i don't.

Regarding the 'rant of the year', just listened to it.
Is it a parody or is that guy serious?
Is he not aware that it was George Bush who had to bail out the banks, thus forsaking his and many republicans deeply held belief that 'government is the problem, not the solution', at the end of his disasterous reign?
Why is he blaming Obama?

argonaut

The Tea Party people are a loose gaggle of somewhat racist, paranoid conspiracy theorists. And, with the irrational fear of 'big government' they're like an entire movement of Timothy McVeighs.

They're both vaguely creepy, hilarious, and, needless to say, pretty dumb.

InTheTrees

ascanbe wrote: »

That's right; the main reason behind the movement being a coming together of disparate groups united only by a sense of being very, very angry at something they can't seem to quite define.

And when it comes down to it their ideology is a kind of right wing mish mash of keywords and catchphrases and half truths never really meant to be deeply analysed.

Their arguments are like listening to a slurring drunk at 3am.

rossie1977

phantom_lord wrote: »

excessive gov spending and growth perhaps?

surely they would have made themselves known before now though if that were the case, its not like obama is the first president to spend excessively

http://www.city-data.com/forum/attachments/2008-presidential-election/21040d1212792152-what-will-you-give-up-pay-national_debt.jpg

too much coincidence that this happens during obamas reign and not bush's, right around the time that fox news is the biggest cable news network in the states

Overheal

ascanbe wrote: »

Are you asking me do i believe excessive government spending is the main reason behind the 'Tea- party movement'?
If so, no, i don't.

Regarding the 'rant of the year', just listened to it.
Is it a parody or is that guy serious?
Is he not aware that it was George Bush who had to bail out the banks, thus forsaking his and many republicans deeply held belief that 'government is the problem, not the solution', at the end of his disasterous reign?
Why is he blaming Obama?

Who bailed out General Motors? Chrysler?

Who brought up Healthcare Reform for months on end while people everywhere were left out of a job?

Dont get me wrong Im a reasonable guy and I'll give Obama his chops when he's due them; but you sound like you're leaning on talking points, terribly misinformed.

rossie1977

Overheal wrote: »

Who bailed out General Motors? Chrysler?

bush did

Who brought up Healthcare Reform for months on end while people everywhere were left out of a job?

i honestly don't have a clue what obama thought he would achieve with the healthcare bill, it was one of his campaign promises though so he probably thought it was better to try and get it through congress at the start of his reign rather than closer to the end of his 4 years, either way it is a poorly thought out plan

Overheal

rossie1977 wrote: »

bush did

burned.

i honestly don't have a clue what obama thought he would achieve with the healthcare bill, it was one of his campaign promises though so he probably thought it was better to try and get it through congress at the start of his reign rather than closer to the end of his 4 years, either way it is a poorly thought out plan

It all had to do with Supermajorities and Senatorial Elections. Long Story Short, the Democrats wanted to shove it through thinking if they didn't do it now, it would take months [irony] or years to finalize an agreement.

Thats about the time the Tea Party Movement stepped in Chronologically. They were already pissed about that iddy biddy Economy thing. But now Obama was trying to pass an unprecedented Healthcare Reform: One which would include Universal Healthcare and analyst predicted over time would cost the American People additional Trillions of Dollars.

So, with all the fuel available (Millions of severely enraged and unemployed Americans) Pundits like Glenn Beck only had to spark the match. The Tea Party Movement stormed DC, I chastised you guys about it because you never protest , but realistically it was such a public display of outrage it brought Everything to a screeching halt. Then the August Recess kicked in, Senators returned to their home states for a few weeks, and the Town Hall Meeting clusterf@ck happened. And so far the only thing that has happened is a lot of Americans (and interested Internationals) have been left scratching our heads because its so hard to see what the hell is going on with Healthcare. This dragged on mercilessly into Christmas, until Ted Kennedy died and that deadly Senate Seat Election of Gordon/Scott Brown. Oops begins to go the Supermajority, the Dems go damnit damnit damnit and began quickly shifting focus back to the economy, and now to the middle east, and Iran.

Oh yes, that was the short version.

ascanbe

Overheal wrote: »

Who bailed out General Motors? Chrysler?

Who brought up Healthcare Reform for months on end while people everywhere were left out of a job?

Dont get me wrong Im a reasonable guy and I'll give Obama his chops when he's due them; but you sound like you're leaning on talking points, terribly misinformed.

General Motors? Chysler? - That would be Obama; and i believe he was mistaken to do so.
Still, it's amusing that that makes him the great 'socialist menace' given Bush's bailing out of the banks just before Obama took power.
He did it for precisely the same reasons that Bush and republicans gave for bailing out the banks; a belief that letting them fail would have disasterous consequences.
In the case of the motor industry it was more in terms of the effect on certain regions rather than nationally; especially at a time, as you pointed out, that the country was heamorrhaging jobs.
Healthcare reform is something he made very clear he would concentrating on, in his election pitch.
How does this reflect taking his eye off the ball regarding jobs?
A rise in employment is something, as he said, will result over time as his policies come to fruition.
If you disagree with his policies, fine; perhaps they will prove to be flawed.
But don't pretend that he isn't facing an absolute mess created, in large part, by his predecessor, or that the 'Tea-Party movement' is a logical, organic result of his actions; the hate was building and being stoked by some notable demagogues before he was even inaugurated.

ascanbe

Overheal wrote: »

burned.

It all had to do with Supermajorities and Senatorial Elections. Long Story Short, the Democrats wanted to shove it through thinking if they didn't do it now, it would take months [irony] or years to finalize an agreement.

Thats about the time the Tea Party Movement stepped in Chronologically. They were already pissed about that iddy biddy Economy thing. But now Obama was trying to pass an unprecedented Healthcare Reform: One which would include Universal Healthcare and analyst predicted over time would cost the American People additional Trillions of Dollars.

So, with all the fuel available (Millions of severely enraged and unemployed Americans) Pundits like Glenn Beck only had to spark the match. The Tea Party Movement stormed DC, I chastised you guys about it because you never protest , but realistically it was such a public display of outrage it brought Everything to a screeching halt. Then the August Recess kicked in, Senators returned to their home states for a few weeks, and the Town Hall Meeting clusterf@ck happened. And so far the only thing that has happened is a lot of Americans (and interested Internationals) have been left scratching our heads because its so hard to see what the hell is going on with Healthcare. This dragged on mercilessly into Christmas, until Ted Kennedy died and that deadly Senate Seat Election of Gordon/Scott Brown. Oops begins to go the Supermajority, the Dems go damnit damnit damnit and began quickly shifting focus back to the economy, and now to the middle east, and Iran.

Oh yes, that was the short version.

And you mentioned 'talking-points' in relation to my post?
Yeah.

Overheal

I have no problem with him promising to reform healthcare but its all about timing. These are the most volatile the markets have been in decades, and he is dicking around with the Futures - The whole country is seasick and he's rocking the boat, basically.

And you mentioned 'talking-points' in relation to my post?
Yeah.

Yes, I did. You havent been following US Politics have you? No? Everything I have said comes from my own tracking of the last year.