minimum wage

poppyvalley

employers who say they cant pay the minimum wage should feck off. GET OUT!! do something else besides exploiting your employees

Tchaikovsky

Report the exploitative *****

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

poppyvalley wrote: »

employers who say they cant pay the minimum wage should feck off. GET OUT!! do something else besides exploiting your employees

... or put their prices up...? In theory, yes, I agree, but a low paid job is better than nothing.

Coriolanus

I guess they could always fire one or two people.

xsiborg

employees who whinge about their employers not paying the minimum wage should realise that their feet are not stuck with bostik and they can leave the job! :rolleyes:

Tchaikovsky

This really boils my blood. A recession is no reason whatsoever for an employer to break the law and treat an employee like a slave.

Voltex

Tchaikovsky wrote: »

This really boils my blood. A recession is no reason whatsoever for an employer to break the law and treat an employee like a slave.

A minimum wage set during an economic boom...and then bumped up again is criminal.
£5 p/h I say!

Mark200

The minimum wage should have been lowered since we're now in deflation.

OutlawPete

Mark200 wrote: »

The minimum wage should have been lowered since we're now in deflation.

Minimum wage is low enough for God sake.

If it was any lower, even more people wouldn't bother working and just sign on.

Just tax the rich rich bast*rds more.

the_syco

Mark200 wrote: »

The minimum wage should have been lowered since we're now in deflation.

Right after Social Welfare gets slashed by a third...

Mark200

OutlawPete wrote: »

Minimum wage is low enough for God sake.

If it was any lower, even more people wouldn't bother working and just sign on.

It's one of the highest, if not the highest, in Europe.

Cookie_Monster

Mark200 wrote: »

The minimum wage should have been lowered since we're now in deflation.

+1, one of the miriad of reasons why prices haven't fallen further along with high rates and energy prices

greendom

Mark200 wrote: »

It's one of the highest, if not the highest, in Europe.

AS is the cost of living - anyway shouldn't that be something to be proud of. We actually care for the less privileged in our society?

greendom

the_syco wrote: »

Right after Social Welfare gets slashed by a third...

Yes let's go for real misery and poverty

Mark200

greendom wrote: »

AS is the cost of living

They're not mutually exclusive - prices of goods and services become higher as the cost of the labour to produce these goods and services becomes higher.

greendom wrote: »

anyway shouldn't that be something to be proud of. We actually care for the less privileged in our society?

Well there are going to be more 'less privileged' people in our society if businesses can't afford to employ them.

Coriolanus

Strangely enough, when you tax rich people excessively, they decide they don't really like this working lark all that much and retire onto their nest eggs.

Ask your parents what it was like in the eighties for an idea of how badly the idea can go.

Anyway, we need a high minimum wage to incentivise working. If anything we should slash the "jobseekers allowance" (and yes, by commas, I'm implying a lot of claimants are spurious) and put whatever money is saved into cancer vaccines.

ScouseMouse

greendom wrote: »

AS is the cost of living - anyway shouldn't that be something to be proud of. We actually care for the less privileged in our society?

At what expense?

Pricing us out of the international markets so all the companies export the jobs leaving us with zilch?

Then everyone loses.

Supporting the less well off is one thing but .....

myflipflops

OutlawPete wrote: »

Minimum wage is low enough for God sake.
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Does Ireland not have quite a high minimim wage relative to the most of the rest of the world?

I'm not arguing btw, genuinely wondering.

poppyvalley

Tchaikovsky wrote: »

Report the exploitative *****

the WAH??

OutlawPete

Mark200 wrote: »

It's one of the highest, if not the highest, in Europe.

€350 for a 40 Hour week. How could people live on less that this and pay for Health Insurance, Rent, Food, GP etc etc

Tchaikovsky

Voltex wrote: »

A minimum wage set during an economic boom...and then bumped up again is criminal.
£5 p/h I say!

The law is the law.. you break it, you pay the consequences.

d22ontour

Mark200 wrote: »

The minimum wage should have been lowered since we're now in deflation.

What % of the workforce are actually on minimum wage though ? Am sure it must be more than 50% if a decrease is needed... :rolleyes:

OutlawPete

myflipflops wrote: »

Does Ireland not have quite a high minimim wage relative to the most of the rest of the world?

I'm not arguing btw, genuinely wondering.

It's €8.60 an hour I think and that's around 6th in Europe, could be wrong.

The Tax rate is lowered now also so I think Minimum wage is not as good as it was a few years back.

MagicMarker

Nevore wrote: »

Anyway, we need a high minimum wage to incentivise working. If anything we should slash the "jobseekers allowance" (and yes, by commas, I'm implying a lot of claimants are spurious) and put whatever money is saved into cancer vaccines.

greendom

superscouse wrote: »

At what expense?

Pricing us out of the international markets so all the companies export the jobs leaving us with zilch?

Then everyone loses.

Supporting the less well off is one thing but .....

At the expense of the better off who can well afford it.

More equal societies almost always do better btw...

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/books/non-fiction/article5859108.ece

Mark200

OutlawPete wrote: »

€350 for a 40 Hour week. How could people live on less that this and pay for Health Insurance, Rent, Food, GP etc etc

Don't get health insurance. Rent a room. I'd hardly class a GP as a regular expenditure.

d22ontour wrote: »

What % of the workforce are actually on minimum wage though ? Am sure it must be more than 50% if a decrease is needed... :rolleyes:

How did you come to that conclusion

OutlawPete

Mark200 wrote: »

Don't get health insurance. Rent a room.

I am of the firm belief that everyone should have their own home.

You might be happy to see the citizens of Ireland just renting a room but I wouldn't be.

davyjose

Voltex wrote: »

£5 p/h I say!

Will they take it to the currency exchange for them first?

Mark200

OutlawPete wrote: »

I am of the firm belief that everyone should have their own home.

You might be happy to see the citizens of Ireland just renting a room but I wouldn't be.

Someone said we need a high minimum wage to incentivise working... well if you're going to have it high enough for people to get their own house, health insurance etc... then what exactly is there to incentivise education?

OutlawPete

Mark200 wrote: »

Someone said we need a high minimum wage to incentivise working... well if you're going to have it high enough for people to get their own house, health insurance etc... then what exactly is there to incentivise education?

I'm not saying the should raise it to €20 an hour or something but there should be enough to have the basics and I believe a Health Insurance policy in this country is needed what with the state of the public system.

Mark200

OutlawPete wrote: »

I'm not saying the should raise it to €20 an hour or something but there should be enough to have the basics and I believe a Health Insurance policy in this country is needed what with the state of the public system.

A single room and food is the basics. If you want more, you can work harder or get an education required for a better paying job.

poppyvalley

xsiborg wrote: »

employees who whinge about their employers not paying the minimum wage should realise that their feet are not stuck with bostik and they can leave the job! :rolleyes:

there is Absolutely no control on profit which is made on the backs of these workers. hows about a "maximum wage":mad::pac:

squod

OutlawPete wrote: »

€350 for a 40 Hour week. How could people live on less that this and pay for Health Insurance, Rent, Food, GP etc etc

Get real.......lots of people I know are now making €1200 a month in retail sector. Employers have cut hours, bonuses and overtime. While still keeping their' employees coming in five days a week and no alternative employment available to them to choose from.

Slavery has already arrived here months ago, wake youself up if you're that interested. All we had on the bluddy news is is whingin' public sector workers. Not a word about what's really going on.

davyjose

Mark200 wrote: »

A single room and food is the basics. If you want more, you can work harder or get an education required for a better paying job.

Yeah, cos nobody with an education ever had a bad job..... :rolleyes:

Get real buddy.

Mark200

davyjose wrote: »

Yeah, cos nobody with an education ever had a bad job..... :rolleyes:

Get real buddy.

You misunderstood my post. If you know of a job that you want that requires a certain education, then get that education. Hence the "education required for a better paying job.". I don't see why McDonalds should be forced to pay for a house and health insurance for every single one of their employees.

OutlawPete

squod wrote: »

Get real.......lots of people I know are now making €1200 a month in retail sector. Employers have cut hours, bonuses and overtime. While still keeping their' employees coming in five days a week and no alternative employment available to them to choose from.

Slavery has already arrived here months ago, wake youself up if you're that interested. All we had on the bluddy news is is whingin' public sector workers. Not a word about what's really going on.

What are you raving about??

I state the minimum wage and that's your reply? :rolleyes:

Bob_Harris

squod wrote: »

Get real.......lots of people I know are now making €1200 a month in retail sector. Employers have cut hours, bonuses and overtime. While still keeping their' employees coming in five days a week and no alternative employment available to them to choose from.

Slavery has already arrived here months ago, wake youself up if you're that interested. All we had on the bluddy news is is whingin' public sector workers. Not a word about what's really going on.

Rabble rabble rabble.

davyjose

Mark200 wrote: »

You misunderstood my post. If you know of a job that you want that requires a certain education, then get that education. Hence the "education required for a better paying job.". I don't see why McDonalds should be forced to pay for a house and health insurance for every single one of their employees.

I still don't agree. If McDonald's want people to "work" for them, i.e. give up their own time, and effort, to help McDonald's turn a profit, then said people to be reimbursed in a manner that allows them to live in a certain (but not particularly high) degree of comfort.

If McDonald's have a problem with that, then fcuk off and see how much money you make with no employees.

The Pontiac

It'd be more the government's business to have a look at outrageous prices for goods and services in this country. The obvious lack of of competition in the legal profession, where bizarrely all solicitor's fees are the exact same within the same regions. Where's the free market in operation? The same can be said of doctors, and to a lesser extent the dentists.

How can you expect an honest working person on the minimum wage to pay these silly prices?

They should take a look a social welfare fraud as well - they'd probably save in the region of €500,000 per annum at their ease.

Cut the minimum wage anymore and it really won't be worth one's while working for it. It'd just too easy to draw the dole then.

I agree we're not a competitive country, and wages fall under this category too. But ask any manufacturing employer what their biggest cost is, and I'm sure they'll tell you energy costs (the highest in Europe)..

They should have a look at a few hundred others things before the minimum wage is looked at. I wouldn't hold my breath though..

squod

OutlawPete wrote: »

What are you raving about??

I state the minimum wage and that's your reply? :rolleyes:

The battle for minimum wage has already been lost. Get yourself a calculator and wok out what €1200 a month is per hour. €5/hour will never appear on a payslip, however some employers are using 'tatics' like reducing hours, overtime & bonuses to get to a point where the employee is paid the equivalent of €5/hour. Even though these employees are still working five days a week.

I can guarantee some of the purchases you're making are supporting these dodgy employers. It's your choice to support these employers or not IMO.

squod

Bob_Harris wrote: »

Rabble rabble rabble.

Rabble rabble rabble

smurgen

Mark200 wrote: »

If you know of a job that you want that requires a certain education, then get that education.

your ignorance as to how dynamic the labor market is is astounding. i am in a masters which i imagined would provide me with the type of job i wanted.now almost overnight those jobs have dissapeared and my chances of landing that job are slim to none. it requies a lot more than just the education.you must be a right half wit if you think it's that simple

davyjose

It boils my blood to hear people say "lower the minimum wage".

Effectively they're saying that even though these people get up early, work hard, and pay taxes, they deserve to suffer because they didn't go to college, or didn't catch the same breaks in life that I did.

That's fcuking disgusting tbh.

Bigdeadlydave

The minimum wage will get reduced soon enough.

OutlawPete

squod wrote: »

The battle for minimum wage has already been lost. Get yourself a calculator and wok out what €1200 a month is per hour. €5/hour will never appear on a payslip, however some employers are using 'tatics' like reducing hours, overtime & bonuses to get to a point where the employee is paid the equivalent of €5/hour. Even though these employees are still working five days a week.

I can guarantee some of the purchases you're making are supporting these dodgy employers. It's your choice to support these employers or not IMO.

And how exactly would me saying that Minimum Wage should be enough to afford people some basics like rent, food, health etc negate your point.

I don't see why your having a pop at me and the 'calculator' jibe is just unwarranted attitude.

I want fairness for all, please don't put me on one side over the other when it's the last thing I'm about.

adamshred

Mark200 wrote: »

It's one of the highest, if not the highest, in Europe.

And we have one of the highest, if not the highest costs of living in Europe.

squod

davyjose wrote: »

It boils my blood to hear people say "lower the minimum wage".

Effectively they're saying that even though these people get up early, work hard, and pay taxes, they deserve to suffer because they didn't go to college, or didn't catch the same breaks in life that I did.

That's fcuking disgusting tbh.

If you imagine that going to college will save you from the minimum wage then think again. Anyone can be outsourced/subcontracted for less money now. People need to wake the fuhk up.

davyjose

Mark200 wrote: »

You misunderstood my post. If you know of a job that you want that requires a certain education, then get that education. Hence the "education required for a better paying job.".

Just want to come back to this:
So if we all had PHD's there'd be no need for a minimum wage, we'd all be rich, right. We'd have nowhere to buy food or clothing, but we'd be rich. Sounds like an awesome society.

Mark200 wrote: »

I don't see why McDonalds should be forced to pay for a house and health insurance for every single one of their employees.

Why not?

davyjose

squod wrote: »

If you imagine that going to college will save you from the minimum wage then think again. Anyone can be outsourced/subcontracted for less money now. People need to wake the fuhk up.

I don't imagine it - i was merely trying to simplify the point I was making. Clearly it wasn't simplified enough for you.

Coriolanus

squod wrote: »

The battle for minimum wage has already been lost. Get yourself a calculator and wok out what €1200 a month is per hour. €5/hour will never appear on a payslip, however some employers are using 'tatics' like reducing hours, overtime & bonuses to get to a point where the employee is paid the equivalent of €5/hour. Even though these employees are still working five days a week.

I can guarantee some of the purchases you're making are supporting these dodgy employers. It's your choice to support these employers or not IMO.

Do you even know how minimum wage is worked out? For an adult with two years relevant work experience it's 8.60 an hour, before bonuses, bonus overtime, commission, or anything else is taken into account.
If they're paying less than that, without a binding agreement ruled on by the Labour Court, then the employee has a case to take, for which they can't be fired for taking. And if they are fired for spurious reasons within a relatively short period of time after taking the case, odds are they'll win the unfair dismissal case as well.

squod

OutlawPete wrote: »

And how exactly would me saying that Minimum Wage should be enough to afford people some basics like rent, food, health etc negate your point.

I don't see why your having a pop at me and the 'calculator' jibe is just unwarranted attitude.

I want fairness for all, please don't put me on one side over the other when it's the last thing I'm about.

Really I'm not disrespecting you. Honestly if you do have an interest then think twice and then think again about where you spend your money. The boss, the landlord and the taxman take way more priority in this state than working peoples lives do.

Think before you spend, or have a country full of unscrupulous fat-cats.

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