Campagnolo -v- Shimano

iregk

Doing some research on upgrading the machine. Does anyone know or have a link that has information on Campagnolo sets and where they compare to Shimano.

In other words what is the Camp equivalent of Tiagra, 105, Ultegra, Dura Ace etc...

Have a few models in mind but some have the Shimano sets and some have the Camp sets.

blorg

It is a religious question and especially so given the recent upgrades. So are you comparing Campagnolo 11 speed with the new Ultegra 6700/DA 7900 etc.

End of the day it is very difficult to get any concrete view on this.

Here's a view to kick things off, I may need to go to bed before this thread really gets going:

Di2 (of course)
Super Record = Record (only difference is some weight weenism) = Dura Ace 7900
10sp Record = Dura Ace 7800
11sp Chorus = Ultegra 6700
10sp Chorus
Athena
Ultegra 6600
Centaur
105
Veloce
Tiagra
Sora
2300

tfrancer

One comparison you can make between Shimano and Campagnolo equipment is by comparing prices for groupsets and individual items. There are also differences in terms of availability of triple and compact setups between the manufacturers.

At the end of the day, IMHO, it probably comes down to personal preference in particular concerning the type and design of the brake / gear levers which, as you know, are quite different one from another.

DirkVoodoo

There are no DIRECT comparisons between different manufacturers, really all you can compare is weight and price.

http://trigearreview.com/forms/Article.aspx?REVID=532

How much are you able to spend on groupset? What do you like about your shimano setup and what bugs you about it?

Beasty

But only one brand goes to 11:)

blorg

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

There are no DIRECT comparisons between different manufacturers, really all you can compare is weight and price.

And functionality.

To be honest the main issue between groupsets is how comfortable you find the shifter hood.

DirkVoodoo

Another factor to consider is replacement parts. Campy seem to be pretty expensive, especially if you go for something super exotic like super record. 350 euro for a spare cassette on CRC!

If you aren't racing, concerned about weight or snob factor but still want a great groupset (which oddly would still be suited for all the above), Ultegra 6700, Campagnolo Athena or SRAM Force are all around the same price. It really boils down to functional preferences about shifting, aesthetics and comfort then.

DirkVoodoo

blorg wrote: »

And functionality.

To be honest the main issue between groupsets is how comfortable you find the shifter hood.

That's all in the link, I just didn't want to go quoting something I hope he was going to read

Bunnyhopper

Did I read somewhere that the chain tool needed for the Campy 11 speed is a bit spendy?

Edit: Computer says yes...

http://www.probikekit.com/display.php?code=T0087

...are cheaper versions available (yet)?

blorg

Bunnyhopper wrote: »

Did I read somewhere that the chain tool needed for the Campy 11 speed is a bit spendy?

Edit: Computer says yes...

http://www.probikekit.com/display.php?code=T0087

...are cheaper versions available (yet)?

Look, if you have to ask you can't afford it. You just don't sound like a Campagnolo man to me

Bunnyhopper

blorg wrote: »

Look, if you have to ask you can't afford it. You just don't sound like a Campagnolo man to me

I never said spendy was a bad thing - I was just worried about cheaper versions undermining the euro-chic of the original tool. Ahem...

Run_to_da_hills

Comparing Shimano to Campagnolo is like comparing a Toyota to Ferrari.

IM0

Di2 - Super record
Dura Ace - Record
Ultegra - Chorus
105 - Athena
tiagra - Centaur
Sora - Veloce

..or something.

[goes to make pop corn, and fetch worms]

short circuit

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Comparing Shimano to Campagnolo is like comparing a Toyota to Ferrari.

You mean like on the motorway both can only legally do 120kmph ... but on the quays you look like a tool doing 30kmph in the Ferrari ...

Lumen

The answer to your question is SRAM.

Force, preferably.

AstraMonti

I would agree with blorg and Dirk here. For example my carbon Centaur is lighter than Dura ace (or to be specific was at the time I bought it) but my shifters and generally the gears are very "sensitive" and need every 3rd ride tuning. The 105 with at least 5 times more the kms of centaur, are still working perfectly, never given me a problem if when the bike was filthy like hell.

As far as the looks are concerned, I would choose again and again Campagnolo over anything else.

chakattack

Bunnyhopper wrote: »

Did I read somewhere that the chain tool needed for the Campy 11 speed is a bit spendy?

Edit: Computer says yes...

http://www.probikekit.com/display.php?code=T0087

...are cheaper versions available (yet)?

Everyone just uses a quick-release link that can be bought for about 8 euro to solve that problem.

Went from Shimano to Campagnolo and will never consider anything less now.

Campagnolo spares might be pricey but all equipment is fully serviceable and spares are well cataloged.

chakattack

me@ucd wrote: »

Di2 - Super record
Dura Ace - Record
Ultegra - Chorus
105 - Athena
tiagra - Centaur
Sora - Veloce

..or something.

[goes to make pop corn, and fetch worms]

This is just plain wrong. Centaur is more equivalent to Ultegra and certainly well above 105.

Campagnolo are two steps ahead!

Chips Lovell

AstraMonti wrote: »

my shifters and generally the gears are very "sensitive" and need every 3rd ride tuning.

If you have to tune it this often, there's something wrong I'd say.

iregk

Cheers lads for the info. Was pretty much thinking price range they'd be around the same spec/standard. I must admit I am picky when it comes to shifters and the whole comfort factor there.

I do have a liking for SRAM though. They look the sh!t!

Lumen

For fans of Campagnolo, it is most important to express the qualities of the equipment with a word ordering that is seems like it has passed through Google Translate several times.

So lightweight, yes, but that particular sense of style that is not so much about grams, but so much with feelings.

Chips Lovell

Lumen wrote: »

For fans of Campagnolo, it is most important to express the qualities of the equipment with a word ordering that is seems like it has passed through Google Translate several times.

Thumb button, hood shape, multiple upshifts = good

Lumen

el tonto wrote: »

Thumb button

Shimano have that too, on Sora.

ponderaabel

I guess camp is equal to ultegra

Chips Lovell

Lumen wrote: »

Shimano have that too, on Sora.

To small, poorly positioned and no multiple upshifts though. They should have copied Campagnolo.

bbosco

me@ucd wrote: »

Di2 - Super record
Dura Ace - Record
Ultegra - Chorus
105 - Athena
tiagra - Centaur
Sora - Veloce

..or something.

[goes to make pop corn, and fetch worms]

Campy's older Xenon and Mirage were equivalent to Sora and Tiagra respectively. Campy's offerings now start with Veloce which is more or less equivalent to 105. They just don't line up opposite each other like this anymore.

rottenhat

chakattack wrote: »

Everyone just uses a quick-release link that can be bought for about 8 euro to solve that problem.

Really? Excellent. Any chance of a link to that link?

chakattack

@ Rottenhat

Wipperman Connex as recommended to me by Mr Skeff. Just search CRC

Works a charm and I can take the chain off easily if needs be.

Lumen

chakattack wrote: »

@ Rottenhat

Wipperman Connex as recommended to me by Mr Skeff. Just search CRC

Works a charm and I can take the chain off easily if needs be.

For 11 speed Campag chains? I thought the connex links only went up to 10sp.

edit: this and this might be useful

chakattack

Lumen wrote: »

For 11 speed Campag chains? I thought the connex links only went up to 10sp.

edit: this and this might be useful

My mistake. My experience is with 10 speed.

dave2pvd

Lumen wrote: »

The answer to your question is SRAM.

Force, preferably.

I'm with him ^ on this. Always been a Shimano user. Now running Red/Force. I love it. And I can still mix & match SRAM/Shimano freewheels, cassettes and chains.

I would never allow Campagnolo into my house. For 3 reasons:

• It's basically a whole different engineering standard. I'm not referring to quality - I am referring to compatibility. Right now, I can swap out wheels across multiple bikes and not have to worry about what kind of shifters/chain/cassette/freewheel/derailleur is on what bike or what wheel.
  
• The other reason is also related to compatibility. Compatibility of after-market parts. Campag have proprietary chain-set bolt patterns. Price their chain rings some day. When it comes to wear items, I believe it's good to use a system that has multiple suppliers should (inevitably) parts be needed.
  
• Campag has always cost more for the same (IMO). Somewhere between 10 and 20%, I believe.

Campag looks great, works well, is innovative, is lightweight. But not worth it to me.

peterako

Jumping in late...sorry....

Campag and Shimano are different beasts doing the same job.....(SRAM too).

And for me it boils down to preference....

Having used both Shimano and Campag over the years the best comparison I can make is....(not price based but 'performance' based and purely subjective)

Super Record and Record. No equivalent.
Chorus - Dura Ace
Centaur/Daytona - Ultegra
Veloce - 105
Xenon/Mirage - Tiagra/Sora

But there is really no 1 to 1 relationship.

I've been using Chorus for year snow and it would take a lot to change my mind...

My 2c worth

Peter

IM0

Lumen wrote: »

edit: this and this might be useful

okay who else has accounts on RBR
really..just curious is there an irish clan on there?

Lemag

My BH Classic G-2 Mirage L62 was more expensive than the Classic G-2 105 L60. Exact same bikes only mine has the Mirage groupset and the other the 105 groupset. It's a sweet ride all the same.

redmaxi

AstraMonti wrote: »

generally the gears are very "sensitive" and need every 3rd ride tuning.

Slighty off topic but there is a lot of talk over on WW about the 2009 centaur shift levers, all their problems that is. I think this is what you have ?. Anyway if you haven't seen it here's the link. I have no problem with mine but you have to use the option to route the cable at the back of the handlebar otherwise the cable will hang up and ensure all the housings are set up perfectly.

peterako

me@ucd wrote: »

okay who else has accounts on RBR
really..just curious is there an irish clan on there?

I do....sorry....is this 'Two-timing'?