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Milsim exposure, letting people have a go
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I guess Lemming must be spoiling me then... because I look at you and see a sportline modelI get envy everytime I look down, then I'm ok, cause I realise its mine
But enough talk about my willy, we can take it to pm if you like, back on topic
Hivemind:
Requirements as I see them... Just brainstorming here...
Roughly 100 players to make a good go of it. Easily done at home, without abroad imput.
A site that has perhaps, a decent amount of forest, or other areas... roughly 20 acres is plenty.
Ive seen awesome fames run with literally not a manmaded object in sight... Storyline, timing, and advance notice will be vital. Plus something identifable as a theme... Ww2... Vietnam... Iconic, draw in the maybes and make them yes's.
With the right scenario, minimal financial outlay on the site itself is required and still gives a high deal of playability.
Keeping it more simple... ala battlesim for a big .... 'milsimesque' weekender, with slightly less hardcore routine, a beer party and a bbq... they always go down well at big game. perhaps call it the boards big game... keep it inhouse, no real need to aim to make a ton, just cover itself and provide a base that it can grow from... you never know, sites pop up all the time that could cater for this sort of thing. What the important thing is , is to get interest...0 -
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To be honest, and this is a suggestion to Ronan and the others here.... Why dont some of us more experienced in the organisation and planning of milsim games, (and players) get together and organise a larger milsim game within Ireland? Something battlesimesque to ease people in and give them a taste of things on the wildside?/QUOTE]
Great idea Firekitten.
Some of you seem to be questioning venues for such an event. I would suggest firstly a suitable venue for a large game being Predator Combat Games...would be perfect in my eyes for a milsim or more suitable Battlesim format to bulk interest in this type of gaming nationwide.
Although the Irish MOD seem to be non entertaining when it comes to venue usage I would again suggest turning towards the north. I attended FRV's first Dark Rising event at Ballykinlar training camp in Beeston training village. It was one of the most exciting days airsoft I have had yet in this country and any of you who were there can surely agree on the sites potential for a battlesim or milsim style event.
I believe sniper limits could be increased if the game was up north too.
Also Hivemind, ballykinlar supported 90 players + marshals at the first event not sure about second. Im sure the FRV lads would be happy to lend assistance.
It would be great to see people get together and organise something as suggested. For any of you who dont know the site I have included map, video link of Dark Rising 2 and some photos to wet the appetite... (love my airsoft porn) I say lets get the ball rolling.
Video media- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukjuPU3jpkQ
Dark Rising official photography-http://www.irishphotography.co.uk/details.php?gid=63&pid=227&PHPSESSID=5ac367de1782963b8fd086a5147f128b0 -
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site looks greta i know i;ve talked with a few people before about the site and the possibility of a north/south game up there
the topic is great but tbh its getting a bit ahead of itself in my eyes, we started off with giving people a taste of milsim and know planning a weekend event is the next step
first thing to do is get people interested some experience from games at weekends and then move onto big events, the worst thing you can would be to get ahead of yourself with something like this, would do more harm than good, better to find out milsim is or is not for them at the weekend before signing up for a semi big event
i;ve been trying to incurrage themed airsoft and milsim via my redbadger and stuff like that, Doc kinda took the bull by the horns and throw this out there so hats off to him
personaly i would start of with getting players with experiance in the area to play as a controlled oposition as others have said, over a couple of normal weekends get a few sites involved, once people understand the style of play and the eithose and mentality mehind milsim you should have a large pool of people to draw from to move on ( i see this as long term development as i said above putting on a big event before a community pool is in place could put things backwards)
Incurrage more event like those run by ROE, maybe even a small get out an milsim day across a few sites, i had the idea of having a few sites run a milsim weekend and play to there strength.
We do not have a large enough site to run a big event with enough variety at the moment or infrastructure, but across a number of sites across ireland it could be done, a common story across say 5 sites of an invasion, the type of land and conditions the sites have that are taking part affect the role they play, htra could play a town where the enemy is trying to take the townhall ( insert any important building hear ) AMZ would play a secret army base outside the town the enemy have to take to stop re-enforcements getting to the town, red barn is a farm where the enemy general crash landed by mistake and need to hold out against the opposition trying to capture the general and stop this part of the invasion, cork is an anti airsoft site or a radar station that needs to be taken out
the story for each site is simple but feeds into a fun bigger picture, gets people involved creates community and is relativly simple to arrange compared to other things as each site runs itself as normal just with a sotry for this weekend
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site looks greta i know i;ve talked with a few people before about the site and the possibility of a north/south game up there
the topic is great but tbh its getting a bit ahead of itself in my eyes, we started off with giving people a taste of milsim and know planning a weekend event is the next step
first thing to do is get people interested some experience from games at weekends and then move onto big events, the worst thing you can would be to get ahead of yourself with something like this, would do more harm than good, better to find out milsim is or is not for them at the weekend before signing up for a semi big event
i;ve been trying to incurrage themed airsoft and milsim via my redbadger and stuff like that, Doc kinda took the bull by the horns and throw this out there so hats off to him
personaly i would start of with getting players with experiance in the area to play as a controlled oposition as others have said, over a couple of normal weekends get a few sites involved, once people understand the style of play and the eithose and mentality mehind milsim you should have a large pool of people to draw from to move on ( i see this as long term development as i said above putting on a big event before a community pool is in place could put things backwards)
Incurrage more event like those run by ROE, maybe even a small get out an milsim day across a few sites, i had the idea of having a few sites run a milsim weekend and play to there strength.
We do not have a large enough site to run a big event with enough variety at the moment or infrastructure, but across a number of sites across ireland it could be done, a common story across say 5 sites of an invasion, the type of land and conditions the sites have that are taking part affect the role they play, htra could play a town where the enemy is trying to take the townhall ( insert any important building hear ) AMZ would play a secret army base outside the town the enemy have to take to stop re-enforcements getting to the town, red barn is a farm where the enemy general crash landed by mistake and need to hold out against the opposition trying to capture the general and stop this part of the invasion, cork is an anti airsoft site or a radar station that needs to be taken out
the story for each site is simple but feeds into a fun bigger picture, gets people involved creates community and is relativly simple to arrange compared to other things as each site runs itself as normal just with a sotry for this weekend
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Funnily enough myself and KD kicked this idea around for a while. The problem is getting enough venues on board, getting players to sites and making the whole thing cohesive as a picture. In order for it to "feel" as if the individual is part of a larger campaign events and achievements from one location should have an effect on the play at another and this is really difficult to script for. Simplifying things down to simple score keeping kind of defeats the idea of MilSim.0 -
well i would not have gone as far as that in the beginning, being able to carry things over would be great, but it would just complicate things in the start, the idea for myself was just to use it as a introduction to milsim, small story overall, self contained, even if you got 3/4 sites across ireland involved i would be happy,
i would not see it as a ROE style rolling story and larger campaign, but in the start i see it more as a 'get out and milsim day', the idea would be to provide content and rules and an infrastructure to sites that would not normally do this kinda thing, encouraging milsim is not an over night thing, i can realisticly see it taking years for a strong well founded community of of theme and milsim airsofters in airsoft in take route, im just looking at plating a seed as it where
as i said carry stuff over and all that and stuff like that would be great but in my eyes this style of day as other objectives over all as an easy introduction0 -
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the topic is great but tbh its getting a bit ahead of itself in my eyes, we started off with giving people a taste of milsim and know planning a weekend event is the next step
first thing to do is get people interested some experience from games at weekends and then move onto big events, the worst thing you can would be to get ahead of yourself with something like this, would do more harm than good, better to find out milsim is or is not for them at the weekend before signing up for a semi big event
Puding I can see where your coming from alright, but as firekitten suggested a gig event could be more along the Battlesim format to start. Taking some elements from milsim i.e. command structure, objectives, medics, ammo limits but being lax about certain other milsim requirements to be accessable to a larger number of players. The event would be more to create awareness/larger interest in milsim and improve the sports image and reputation in this country over all. Also it does not have to be a weekend event. Even a decent 12 hour battle would suit I think. I may be a bit optimistic...
First hand experience from being at an event like this leads me to believe that if the interest is there, the experience is there (Hivemind and the likes), the players are behind it (I have no doubt the numbers could be rounded up),then why not.
The 'get out and milsim' is also a great idea and could be rolled out across participating sites before hand. Although it would be very beneficial for new players I'm not so sure if it would be a necessity.0 -
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Have to agree with puding, the reason I started this is because there is clearly no numbers for milsim.
If you launched something like this two things would happen.
A) You would get not enough numbers because its milsim and it would be a flop
Youd get a laod of skirmishers and it would be a flop.
The idea is getting some exposure, then down the line sure, but lets not jump step 1-3 and go into 4-10.
We can clearly see, that from milsim events run here that are accesible and cheap and great stories and games, you dont get more then 20 people.0 -
Have to agree with puding, the reason I started this is because there is clearly no numbers for milsim.
If you launched something like this two things would happen.
A) You would get not enough numbers because its milsim and it would be a flop Youd get a laod of skirmishers and it would be a flop.
The idea is getting some exposure, then down the line sure, but lets not jump step 1-3 and go into 4-10.
We can clearly see, that from milsim events run here that are accesible and cheap and great stories and games, you dont get more then 20 people.
Incorrect. You do not need 'milsimers' for it.
If load of skirmishers turn up... Perfect... We're all skirmishers ffs... wheres this distinction come from 'milsimer' and 'skirmisher' are not exlusive.
If they turn up with the right mindset... we're made. Thats all we ask. A willingness to give it a go with an open mind.0 -
Have to agree with puding, the reason I started this is because there is clearly no numbers for milsim.
If you launched something like this two things would happen.
A) You would get not enough numbers because its milsim and it would be a flop Youd get a laod of skirmishers and it would be a flop.
The idea is getting some exposure, then down the line sure, but lets not jump step 1-3 and go into 4-10.
We can clearly see, that from milsim events run here that are accesible and cheap and great stories and games, you dont get more then 20 people.
My only issue with it is that from experience. Running any game that is even slightly more complicated than death match encounters problems. For six months I ran a set of complicated games at HRTA and while a lot of the more experienced players got to grips with them the vast majority just brapt (or in one memorable incident came on boards and called me every ****er under the sun). Rendition, SAM Sites, Conquest etc ... these are the root games for any MIlSim action (situational) and they worked fine. But it didnt improve the turn out at MIlSims proper - those were still all the usual heads.
So what - specifically is it that puts people off it?0 -
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