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N2 - Slane Bypass [planning decision pending]
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Aquarius34 wrote: »The N51 needs to be upgraded and not downgraded. Especially since the N52 from Birr to Mullingar is of a high standard now.
Navan and Drogheda are very large towns and the N51 itself is very under spec.
Eh , have you read ANY of this thread at all.?????
The N51 east of Slane CANNOT be upgraded. It has to be moved north first.0 -
Sponge Bob wrote: »Eh , have you read ANY of this thread at all.?????
The N51 east of Slane CANNOT be upgraded. It has to be moved north first.
A new offline section can be built, yes, whatever. You seem to be going off on a tangent here.0 -
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HGV in NRA planning terms includes fairly small trucks and buses...not just Artics and Lowloaders dragging 40 ton Caterpillars behind etc. I don't think you can ban the lot of them from Slane TBH.
http://www.nra.ie/RepositoryforPublicationsInfo/file,17943,en.pdf
NRA Final Report National Roads Traffic Management Study 2010
In identifying the importance of national roads to freight movement, it is useful to examine the
proportion of freight vehicles using key roads as a fun
ction of total traffic movement. Figure 3-6
below highlights the proportion of HGVs on the nation
al network in 2006. HGVs are defined as
goods vehicles with three or more axles (OGV1 and OGV2)
.
As illustrated, a number of interurban routes display t
ypical values of 10-15% HGVs. It is clear,
however, that routes on the approach to Dublin exper
ience the highest proportion of HGVs, with a
large proportion of those routes experiencing between 1
5-30% HGVs such as the M1, N2, M4,
M7, M8, N9 and N81. The dominance of HGVs on Dublin r
outes reflects the importance of Dublin
Port in handling 50% of all Ireland’s imports and exp
orts and two thirds of containerised trade to
and from Ireland. Trade levels through the Port
reached a record high of almost 31 million tonnes
Furthermore there is a sort of centre of activity.Analysis of HGV activity highlights a high proportion o
f HGV’s on the National Secondary Road
Network connecting the Midlands with the North East and
Northern Ireland via Monaghan, and
also from Dundalk to Northern Ireland via Monaghan.
This suggests that Monaghan is located in
a strategically important ‘crossroads’ on the National
Road Network
Sadly Monaghan is on the wrong side of Slane from Dublin Port but luckily Monaghan is not a World Heritage Site so why not move Monaghan???? Simples!
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First of all I dont think a HGV ban can work absent a bypass on the dangerous N2 side and then a HGV ban can't work absent at least a partial N51 Bypass either...seeing as the N51 actually goes through a World Heritage site....unlike either the old N2 or the N2 Bypass.
Then the fact remains that Slane is between Navan and the nearest A and E unit so traffic will still use Slane itself ...often travelling fast even if there is a HGV ban unless there is a complete bypass of the N51 as well.
Slane is on the main road betwen Drogheda and the Midlands/West so that traffic should be given an alternative route before full bans are put in place anyway. The problem with that is that the logical alternative route ( N52 Ardee - Mullingar) is another diabolical road that needs upgrading from south of Delvin to north of Ardee, each and every inch of it save for the Kells Bypass. That will take years, sure it took 10 years to do the Mullingar - Tullamore section of that road including bypassing the pair of them
Consequently the only short term relief I can see,and of any real use, is bypass Slane N2 as proposed and also N51 west and send the N51 HGV traffic north and east to the M1 seeing as the N51 east to Drogheda cannot be upgraded unless you drop it into a cut and cover tunnel and cover it with clay or something.
What I would do is regularly block the traffic lights in every direction on fridays until it makes the national media and get some proper attention on yourselves instead of letting the heritage lot get all the headlines in the Times making ye out to be a pack of philistines for asking for a bypass. If there is an election on at the same time ...all the better.
Have one of those Enda Kenny specials, a 5 point plan. ready for the meeja. No need to go to Dublin when you can make the point at the traffic lights in the middle of Slane.
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We seem to be losing sight of the -- correct -- idea that the N2 at Slane is the real problem area...
It is. However banning HGVs ( 3 axle jobbies) wont stop cars and vans and buses from crashing on the hill. You cannot ban the hills down to the old bridge. So what is a HGV ban supposed to fix anyway. It cannot obviate the need for a bypass on safety grounds to my mind. ????
I am in favour of blanket banning super heavies but not buses vans delivery type trucks etc.The N2 on the other hand seems to have lost a lot of its national importance with the building of the M1 and M3. If you want to think systemically you don't put too much importance on a route that goes parrall to two close by motorways - you make links off and between the motorways.
Ever heard of the N51 or N52 then??? More importantly have you driven either or both ?? Slane has two national roads.
HGV bans are cheap, they don't necessarily fix anything in this case as HGVs will still travel east west on the N51...the intention should be to take all heavies out of Slane and the section east of there. What to do about 3 axle tourist buses?...sure ban them too. BAN THEM ALL!!!As for a Regulatory Impact Study... Dublin's ban area even with the Port Tunnell is wider.
And....emm...so what?? Only artics are banned in Dublin from what I seee, 3 axle buses USE the tunnel.Current traffic traveling in a world heritage area is low down my list compared to a safety-critical issue.
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The N51 and N52 are crap roads on an epic scale. What is forgotten is that the N52 is a top priority National Road , more so than many Primarys are.
The N52 ( N33 at its eastern end) cross connects M1 N2 N/M3 M4 M6 and M7 and is the only feasible route around incidents on those roads.....apart from the fact that only the Birr-Mullingar section is up to standard...the rest is complete crap.
The NRA document I linked IS a traffic study and it arrived at some conclusions, namely that Slane is slap bang in the middle of THE key national logistics cluster meaning a localised ban is no solution to anything and should if anything be considered only after a bypass is built and to encourage its use, just like the Dublin tunnel opened BEFORE the ban down there. As for that idea of moving Dublin Port to up near Drogheda. 0 -
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To_be_confirmed wrote: »Hmmm. How much lower down? Are you basing this on the level of accidents that take place there? That is shaky ground to make such a sweeping statement.
Funny. Safety is the/a core reason used by residents, Meath Co Co, the NRA etc for a bypass.
When I say the same thing it becomes "shaky ground" and "sweeping statement". Wow!Slane Resident wrote: »
My post was in response to a post which has now been deleted, which suggested rigid or regional HGV bans. I'd be grateful if you could stop accusing everyone, and particularly me, of shadow boxing. It's getting boring at this stage.
Ok...
You could quote posts you're replying to it would keep thing simple and avoid all of this after real or phantom posters delete their posts. 0 -
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