Time to arm the guards with guns?

drdeadlift

What is peoples take on this?
I believe its long overdue,as each week comes and goes there are just more and more gun&gang related crimes.The crime level here in Ireland is easily on a par with the rest of the eu where police are trusted to hold guns.
I think they may gain some respect

Nodin

what about tickling sticks?

SV

There's many Gardaí that have guns already.

Nodin

Obviously they'd be made into two-gun Gardai.

funk-you

Would you trust a mucksavage with a gun?

-Funk

twinytwo

drdeadlift wrote: »

What is peoples take on this?
I believe its long overdue,as each week comes and goes there are just more and more gun&gang related crimes.The crime level here in Ireland is easily on a par with the rest of the eu where police are trusted to hold guns.
I think they may gain some respect

ERU?

admiralofthefleet

no, they'll get too trigger happy

Mark200

Absolutely not. When was the last time an unarmed garda needed a gun? If we arm our police force then the unarmed criminals will start to arm themselves to counter this.

Cuddlesworth

Damm right. Its time we armed all Gardai with massive weapons they can store in their pants. Rather then the small things they tend to smuggle around with them. Yeah, those men in uniforms need big tools they can slap in peoples faces, things they can get out easy. Then they can go around in public with their huge bulges partially covered and people could sit there and go, "look at the size of that cock".

drdeadlift

SV wrote: »

There's many Gardaí that have guns already.

I know,but how about arming every one of them,

Sheeps

Why would the regular gardaí need guns to patrol the streets of dublin?

Buford T Justice

Like someone said.

Mucksavages with Guns? No

/thread.

drdeadlift

funk-you wrote: »

Would you trust a mucksavage with a gun?

-Funk

I would,its not they are going to start robbing the post office.
There are enough guns in the wrong hands as it is

Pushtrak

I've always wondered how efficient a powerful tranquillizer gun. Surely there would be one that'd be fast acting enough as to be viable. Surely it beats the current approach while not being a lethal takedown?

Edit: I know if I don't mention it, someone else will. I'm aware using real guns doesn't instantly mean a lethal takedown.

peasant

I never quite understood the concept of a (largely) unarmed police force.

It's a bit like citizen's arrest with a cap on

Xluna

Might be better if they knew how to handle fire arms properly before arming them in the streets.

twinytwo

well if they could slap the scum around the place without people crying police brutality and all that who knows what the country would be like now

drdeadlift

Fingers McGee wrote: »

Like someone said.

Mucksavages with Guns? No

/thread.

Mucksavages is that a lower form of intelligence ? im from Dublin and im sick of hearing these sayings

GavRedKing

Mark200 wrote: »

Absolutely not. When was the last time an unarmed garda needed a gun? If we arm our police force then the unarmed criminals will start to arm themselves to counter this.

Depends on your definition of " armed "

To me if you have a knife your armed, if your carrying a bat and have criminal intentions, you are armed.

You dont need a gun to be armed. Regardless, Id nearly hazard a guess that a very, very high percentage of criminals have access to something like a gun or bat or knive should they require them and the only reason to carry any of the above is to commit a crime.

Its a very tough thing to measure, Im all for the gardai going around with there ASP batons or pepper spray but in the same sense arming them would give them a better command of a situation. I suppose thats why we have the ERU in place at the moment.

biko

Pepper spray and tasers, yes. Guns, no.

Smart Bug

Mark200 wrote: »

If we arm our police force then the unarmed criminals will start to arm themselves to counter this.

I think this idea is utter boll0cks. Criminal gangs have already upped the stakes with their level of armanent. Criminal gangs rival each other, a situation which has lead to a mini arms race, but yet people say "ooooh, if we arm the Gards the crims will all get guns". Pffft. They already have them. In large quantities. Semi and fully automatic assault rifles. There are estates in some of our major cities the Gardai can't enter because they'll be shot at.

Really. That bird has flown. Crims are armed. And the idea of an unarmed police force trying to handle them is laughable.

twinytwo

Smart Bug wrote: »

I think this idea is utter boll0cks. Criminal gangs have already upped the stakes with their level of armanent. Criminal gangs rival each other, a situation which has lead to a mini arms race, but yet people say "ooooh, if we arm the Gards the crims will all get guns". Pffft. They already have them. In large quantities. Semi and fully automatic assault rifles. There are estates in some of our major cities the Gardai can't enter because they'll be shot at.

Really. That bird has flown. Crims are armed. And the idea of an unarmed police force trying to handle them is laughable.

its it not special branch. eru etc that handle the gangs and not your common guard...

ANy way the government cant give proper funding to the coast guard or S&R do you really think they will hand out money for the weapons and training for the enitre force?.. i think not

stovelid

Bring back the Crossley Tenders.

Borneo Fnctn

Mark200 wrote: »

If we arm our police force then the unarmed criminals will start to arm themselves to counter this.

Bollox. Criminals carry weapons to attack or defend themselves from other criminals, not the police. They aren't "at war" with the police

Smart Bug

twinytwo wrote: »

its it not special branch. eru etc that handle the gangs and not your common guard...

As of 2004 (I know it's a while ago) the ERU had 50 members. Hardly enough to patrol flash point areas in Dublin and Limerick. Especially if any emergency occurs while they're patrolling.

jd007

Mark200 wrote: »

Absolutely not. When was the last time an unarmed garda needed a gun? If we arm our police force then the unarmed criminals will start to arm themselves to counter this.

Surely all the criminals are armed already?

Edelmdublin

No way should they be given guns!! In my opinion the system in Ireland is way behind compared to the rest of the EU & I really don't think the Gardai can be trusted enough as they are to handy with their fist when there is no need for it!! I have seen this first hand & have lost respect for the Garda in this country due to the way I have seen them handle situations over the years! And they get away with it, so no way do I want them on the street with GUNS:eek:..

RobbieTheRobber

Your right we should arm the garda, with tribunals slowing down how will our hard working millionaire barristars make their money without some kind of government enquiry every month.

We need more abbeylara's

http://www.rte.ie/news/2000/0421/abbeylara.html

who the fug

Can we not bring back the other half of the deal, cope do not carry arms , but you kill a cop you hang.

Always saw that as fair

twinytwo

Edelmdublin wrote: »

No way should they be given guns!! In my opinion the system in Ireland is way behind compared to the rest of the EU & I really don't think the Gardai can be trusted enough as they are to handy with their fist when there is no need for it!! I have seen this first hand & have lost respect for the Garda in this country due to the way I have seen them handle situations over the years! And they get away with it, so no way do I want them on the street with GUNS:eek:..

while you do get langers in every walk of life 99% of the time if a guard wasw to hit someone then they prob deserved it.

biko

Detectives and ERU can handle the Dublin and Limerick drugs and feuds.
For the garda on the beat there's no need when they break up fights or carry drunks to the cells.

neilthefunkeone

Magnus wrote: »

Pepper spray and tasers, yes. Guns, no.

+1 on this..

Sure i roll around with a can of CS gas....

Edelmdublin

If they deserved it I would not be complaining, the Garda go in to certain areas and pick on people for no reason, i no it is hard to believe if you do not live in an area like this but I have seen it been done(Ballyfermot, Clondalkin, Tallaght) not to mention these are moslty young teenagers under the age of 18. I am not refering to all Garda either but the garda who are going out on the streets provoking and speeking to young people like animals should not be given a gun....How do they ever expect to gain the peoples respect & trust by handling situations in this manor!

NTMK

No there is no reason the standard gardai force needs to be armed. In Limerick City i don't go a day without seeing the ERU, ARU or Detectives around

I wouldn't trust the cops with guns as a lot of them on a big enough power trip as it is

Manic Moran

When was the last time an unarmed garda needed a gun?

9th August 2009 is possibly that date.

Failing that, the next date that comes to mind is 25th Sept 2007.
I don't seem to recall they ever found the shooter in that incident, did they?

NTM

OutlawPete

Most of the special branch are armed with personal handguns and always have been.

starbelgrade

Isn't arming the Gardai just giving them an invitation to shoot themselves in the foot?

Size=everything

Mark200 wrote: »

Absolutely not. When was the last time an unarmed garda needed a gun? If we arm our police force then the unarmed criminals will start to arm themselves to counter this.

About a year ago when an unarmed garda on a motorbike got blasted twice at close range with a shot gun and left for dead.

partyatmygaff

OutlawPete wrote: »

Most of the special branch are armed with personal handguns and always have been.

I don't think a little pistol is enough for the top of the line gardaí. A pistol can't match up to a shotgun or assault rifle.

major bill

never in a million years should the garda patrolling our streets be equipt with guns:mad:

Riddle101

I kind've agree that the Gardaí should be armed. I know this girl said her house got burgled and the Gardaí arrived while the robbers were still in the house. But the Gardaí wouldn't go into the house incase the robbers were armed:rolleyes: maybe if they were armed, it would be a lot easier for them to arrest criminals who might be potentially a health risk to them or others. Criminals might think twice about engaging a Garda if the Gardaí were armed, and might give themselves up quicker. But that's just a theory of mine.

However I'd rather they were given Tazers and Pepperspray rather then guns, because I think we can take a lot of pride in the fact that our police force is unarmed. A lot of Cops in America seem to be gun crazed lunatics who would shoot you for looking at them the wrong way. I would be afraid if it would be the same way over here after a while. But I do think the health of our Garda personel who do have a pretty tough and danerous job is a big concern. They need some way of arresting people other then using a Nightstick.

major bill

Riddle101 wrote: »

I kind've agree that the Gardaí should be armed. I know this girl said her house got burgled and the Gardaí arrived while the robbers were still in the house. But the Gardaí wouldn't go into the house incase the robbers were armed:rolleyes: maybe if they were armed, it would be a lot easier for them to arrest criminals who might be potentially a health risk to them or others. Criminals might think twice about engaging a Garda if the Gardaí were armed, and might give themselves up quicker. But that's just a theory of mine.

However I'd rather they were given Tazers and Pepperspray rather then guns, because I think we can take a lot of pride in the fact that our police force is unarmed. A lot of Cops in America seem to be gun crazed lunatics who would shoot you for looking at them the wrong way. I would be afraid if it would be the same way over here after a while. But I do think the health of our Garda personel who do have a pretty tough and danerous job is a big concern. They need some way of arresting people other then using a Nightstick.

i still think tazers are over the top as some of these recruits dont have the maturity to use them in the right situation. its like handing a scissors to a baby..

drdeadlift

major bill wrote: »

i still think tazers are over the top as some of these recruits dont have the maturity to use them in the right situation. its like handing a scissors to a baby..

How many police forces from around the world have guns? The intimidation factor is as effective as using the weapon.
The main reason i feel they need guns is that the guards are not keeping with the times,the streets are awash with guns/knives and they are in the hands of the wrong people.If you believe the guards are not mature enough explain why,its not like they are recruiting 13yo school boys is it,all their eu counterparts carry arms.

Borneo Fnctn

partyatmygaff wrote: »

I don't think a little pistol is enough for the top of the line gardaí. A pistol can't match up to a shotgun or assault rifle.

The Emergency Response Unit are very well equipped. The special branch are a different crew.


On topic, I think the Gardai should be armed and I think they are up to the responsibility that comes with it. I think some people are just using this thread as an excuse to have a sly dig at the police by saying stuff like "I wouldn't trust them mongos with guns LOL"

major bill

drdeadlift wrote: »

How many police forces from around the world have guns? The intimidation factor is as effective as using the weapon.
The main reason i feel they need guns is that the guards are not keeping with the times,the streets are awash with guns/knives and they are in the hands of the wrong people.If you believe the guards are not mature enough explain why,its not like they are recruiting 13yo school boys is it,all their eu counterparts carry arms.

english police dont carry guns and they have a much bigger and violent population.
personally knowing some gards i wouldnt give them a toy gun let alone a real one:)

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Sure thing, arm the guards with guns, what we need is another group of retards handling weapons. Then the gangs mentality changes, "The guards have guns, we need to get more"... Worst thing that could happen to us is give those fools weapons.

pvt.joker

Tristen Orange Cake wrote: »

Sure thing, arm the guards with guns, what we need is another group of retards handling weapons. Then the gangs mentality changes, "The guards have guns, we need to get more"... Worst thing that could happen to us is give those fools weapons.

finding it hard to walk with that chip on your shoulder ?

:rolleyes:

Mark200

Smart Bug wrote: »

I think this idea is utter boll0cks. Criminal gangs have already upped the stakes with their level of armanent. Criminal gangs rival each other, a situation which has lead to a mini arms race, but yet people say "ooooh, if we arm the Gards the crims will all get guns". Pffft. They already have them. In large quantities. Semi and fully automatic assault rifles. There are estates in some of our major cities the Gardai can't enter because they'll be shot at.

Really. That bird has flown. Crims are armed. And the idea of an unarmed police force trying to handle them is laughable.

If you actually bothered to read the part of my post you quoted, you would have seen that I was referring to the currently UNARMED criminals:

If we arm our police force then the unarmed criminals will start to arm themselves to counter this.

Poccington

Borneo Fnctn wrote: »

The Emergency Response Unit are very well equipped. The special branch are a different crew.


On topic, I think the Gardai should be armed and I think they are up to the responsibility that comes with it. I think some people are just using this thread as an excuse to have a sly dig at the police by saying stuff like "I wouldn't trust them mongos with guns LOL"

How many members of the GS are serving in the ERU do you reckon?

Fact of the matter is, the ERU aren't always going to be the first responders to incidents where a person is armed. If a standard member of the GS can't deal with certain incidents because a suspect is armed, isn't there something wrong there?

Poccington

Tristen Orange Cake wrote: »

Sure thing, arm the guards with guns, what we need is another group of retards handling weapons. Then the gangs mentality changes, "The guards have guns, we need to get more"... Worst thing that could happen to us is give those fools weapons.

I didn't realise you had to be retarded to become a member of the GS.

Nearly all the members of the GS I have worked with have been nothing but professional. Of course, I'm sure you have worked with them quite a bit?

Poccington

Borneo Fnctn wrote: »

I was just distinguishing between special branch and ERU. You missed the point of my post. I do think they should be armed.

Ah I see said the blind man, sorry bout that.