Starting a club night

electrogrimey

I've been vaguely thinking of trying something like this, to start a clubnight in town, monthly or weekly or whatever, as I've a few acquaintances who've been very successful.

Has anyone had experience starting a night from scratch? (I know at least you do, Zascar) Basically what I want to know is what's involved? Financially, and. bureaucratically

jimi_t

You're in UCD aren't you? I can think of 4-5 people off the top of my head running some of the bigger student nights in clubs inside there, but most of them seem to be doing the discobar style stuff. I'm reasonably sure that a few of the UCD DJSoc are attached to ALT and the ilk.

electrogrimey

Nope, I'm in Trinity. My whole idea of starting a night is to have if different to all the rest - focusing on good dance music, electro, house, dubstep, techno, not and indie/electro mish-mash, where how you look is more important than the music.

I'd also want it to be with completely different people than the small scene who run all the indie/electro student nights, getting guest DJs from smaller groups like the ColourTV lads, and giving a free warm-up slot to a new DJ every week, to try and find new talent.

g5fd6ow0hseima

electrogrimey wrote: »

C.U.N.T in Crawdaddy on a Tuesday

I thought wax was bad in its heyday about a year or so ago but jesus christ, this takes the piss - full of absolute hipster tossers... :rolleyes:

electrogrimey

Jacqueline Red Flowerbed wrote: »

I thought wax was bad in its heyday about a year or so ago but jesus christ, this takes the piss - full of absolute hipster tossers... :rolleyes:

Oh I know, I'm aiming at the exact opposite of this, I just used it as an example of how successful you can be in setting up a night.

Placebo

**** will die soon, just like WAR though? its just a fad.
Plus i think the runner is from NCAD, so most of them heads go

electrogrimey

Placebo wrote: »

**** will die soon, just like WAR though? its just a fad.
Plus i think the runner is from NCAD, so most of them heads go

Yeah he is, but that's besides the point.

g5fd6ow0hseima

electrogrimey wrote: »

Yeah he is, but that's besides the point.

Sure, advertise the night as an indie / electro night, then just play some unmercifull techno / dnb / dubstep the whole night.... I could imagine the faces on the little ****....

jimi_t

electrogrimey wrote: »

...I just used it as an example of how successful you can be in setting up a night.

That plays **** music and has student promoters behind it. There's a plethora of them in Dublin, and the biggest axiom is that of location. Just look up and down harcourt street of a night - once you have it established that people go there then even people like me, who vow never to set foot in the likes of coppers, end up there at friends bdays and the like because it was their choice of venue.

Clubs, even the ones that host 'proper' music, are just there to sell drink. They might as well be off-licences. That's how the system works. People drink more when they are listening to complete crap. You hear 'Come on Eileen' or 'Summer of 69' in a club and what do you do? Leave the dancefloor and horse a double JD into you if you've any sense.

The kids like the electro and, of the amount of women who can tolerate electronic music AT ALL, the vast majority of them will only listen to electro and 'chart-house'. Believe me, its broken my heart. If you don't get women into your club, then you're finished before you begin - therein lies a major problem getting any sort of 'alt' night off the ground.

(And that kids is why Kennedy's/Twisted Pepper/Pod/Tripod are never simultaneously full whereas the Palace/Coppers/D2/Citibar/Dicey's have queues outside them like the foodlines in the ex-Soviet Bloc countries.)

God I hate this country

electrogrimey

I'd be happy to have a relatively small night, with a dedicated following. Shouldn't be beyond the realms of impossibilty, just trying to find out what's involved.

g5fd6ow0hseima

jimi_t wrote: »

That plays **** music and has student promoters behind it. There's a plethora of them in Dublin, and the biggest axiom is that of location. Just look up and down harcourt street of a night - once you have it established that people go there then even people like me, who vow never to set foot in the likes of coppers, end up there at friends bdays and the like because it was their choice of venue.

Clubs, even the ones that host 'proper' music, are just there to sell drink. They might as well be off-licences. That's how the system works. People drink more when they are listening to complete crap. You hear 'Come on Eileen' or 'Summer of 69' in a club and what do you do? Leave the dancefloor and horse a double JD into you if you've any sense.

The kids like the electro and, of the amount of women who can tolerate electronic music AT ALL, the vast majority of them will only listen to electro and 'chart-house'. Believe me, its broken my heart. If you don't get women into your club, then you're finished before you begin - therein lies a major problem getting any sort of 'alt' night off the ground.

(And that kids is why Kennedy's/Twisted Pepper/Pod/Tripod are never simultaneously full whereas the Palace/Coppers/D2/Citibar/Dicey's have queues outside them like the foodlines in the ex-Soviet Bloc countries.)

God I hate this country

Well thats the problem with places that play electronic music, its always been a mostly male clientel where ever the place is, be it Ireland, the UK or Germany. All the big techno clubs in Berlin are gay, if not officially gay.

I dont want to get into a rant about how women only listen to Florence & The Machine and maybe an electro mix or two but at the same time, the reality is that the music we listen to, its men's music. Depressing, but if I seen a girl at an Autechre / Aphex Twin / Carl Craig gig who wasnt there with her boyfriend etc... id be baffled,

So yeah, I often pondered about what it would be like to run a night in town during the week.... sadly though, the music I like would attract at best a small crowd. If electroindie nights can attract a few hundred people, I doubt a night of dubstep, IDM and techno would attract even 100 at best.... So I just gave up, stopped going out. I much prefer listening to music at home, going to the odd gig, and planning a trip to the mainland in the summer.

**** Dublin, we're too small and the people are too narrow minded, favouring a never ending loop in their socialising.... coppers, flannerys, coppers, mcgowans, maybe tripod, coppers...... bla...!

'More of the same please'

MikeHoncho

The problem is that most promoters in Dublin don't know what the **** they are doing. Their is an attitude of build it and they will come. I have seen this from friends of mine who have tried their hand at it. Anyone who I see properly "promoting" their nights ie marketing the ****ing thing properly usually does alright. Its got **** all to do with Dublin being full of idiots and what music girls like. If you are willing to put the time and the resources into it then I say go for it but if all you are going to do is send out a few invites on facebook then don't bother.

g5fd6ow0hseima

MikeHoncho wrote: »

The problem is that most promoters in Dublin don't know what the **** they are doing. Their is an attitude of build it and they will come. I have seen this from friends of mine who have tried their hand at it. Anyone who I see properly "promoting" their nights ie marketing the ****ing thing properly usually does alright. Its got **** all to do with Dublin being full of idiots and what music girls like. If you are willing to put the time and the resources into it then I say go for it but if all you are going to do is send out a few invites on facebook then don't bother.

If thats the case, then why are decent nights in Dublin so few and far between?
Surely you can lend us a little of your expertise on the matter.
Id like to hear what you've to say

Jev/N

Jesus lads, I don't like to backseat mod but take it to another thread, completely off topic

R.Shackleford

The advice i would give is if your gona start a techno, grimy kind of night youve got to stick your guns and keep playing it so word of mouth will spread that your playing that kind of stuff. and not change the music to get extra heads in. if you get a night going yout first event will be packed because your family friends etc will all be there to support you, its the 3rd, 4th night that are gona test you.
I was at Mr.jones in the twisted pepper there just after christmas, full of "try hard" tossers all dressed up like extras from a smiths video!!!i dont want to rant here but people who take the lenses out of 3D glasses and wear them as a fashion item should be shot! anywho....are "chemistry" still doing a nite in wax? if not that could be a good venue, great sound system and easy enough to fill.

g5fd6ow0hseima

R.Shackleford wrote: »

anywho....are "chemistry" still doing a nite in wax? if not that could be a good venue, great sound system and easy enough to fill.

I think they're gone since last year. There's a crowd called Noize knocking around Wax or ALT these days which assumed the mantle... in other words, all the little peaches geldofs and morrisseys have re-located there. I think its a thursday night.
Crawdaddy is still on wednesdays which may pull a few techno heads but I doubt it.

Wednesdays would be the best night in my opinion...

jimi_t

Jacqueline Red Flowerbed wrote: »

So yeah, I often pondered about what it would be like to run a night in town during the week.... sadly though, the music I like would attract at best a small crowd. If electroindie nights can attract a few hundred people, I doubt a night of dubstep, IDM and techno would attract even 100 at best....

+1

The other HUGE problem is, even in that small small community of people who DO like the music, the majority of them aren't students. In three years of clubbing I'm still usually the youngest person at the gig/club (going on 22 in a couple months). 70%+ of people out during the week are students. Even the well established midweek clubnights that offer what the OP is on about generally can't even fill the place to half capacity.

I'd be happy to have a relatively small night, with a dedicated following. Shouldn't be beyond the realms of impossibilty, just trying to find out what's involved.

Not trying to put you down at all mate, I've thought about it myself and done a bit of research and came out very depressed. If I can do anything at all to help you realise this I genuinely will, and if it ever gets off the ground I'd love to DJ a few nights - I'm just trying to be realistic. This business ain't cuddly.

MikeHoncho

Jacqueline Red Flowerbed wrote: »

If thats the case, then why are decent nights in Dublin so few and far between?
Surely you can lend us a little of your expertise on the matter.
Id like to hear what you've to say

They are few and far between because promoting a successful night is a difficult and time consuming affair. Its something I would never do because I dont think I could put into it what would be needed to make a success of it. You need to give people a reason to get off their arses and support you and I find that not many promoters are able to do that. There have been a few nights through the years that have done it right but not many.

electrogrimey

MikeHoncho wrote: »

They are few and far between because promoting a successful night is a difficult and time consuming affair. Its something I would never do because I dont think I could put into it what would be needed to make a success of it. You need to give people a reason to get off their arses and support you and I find that not many promoters are able to do that. There have been a few nights through the years that have done it right but not many.

This is what I want to find out about, what do you have to put in? How does renting the venue work? You just find somewhere that's free some night every week/month, and then pay a couple hundred per night or something, which you get back off door sales? And then have to promote the fuck out of it to fill the place?

jimi_t

electrogrimey wrote: »

This is what I want to find out about, what do you have to put in? How does renting the venue work? You just find somewhere that's free some night every week/month, and then pay a couple hundred per night or something, which you get back off door sales? And then have to promote the fuck out of it to fill the place?

Well you get in touch with the person in charge of bookings for the venue in choice, once you've established what night of the week you're looking at and have a basic plan drawn up. You mentioned crawdaddy so you'd be getting in contact with either

Crawdaddy - Dave Parle.
E: dave@pod.ie
Ph: 087 966 5575

or

Tripod - Declan Forde.
E: declan@pod.ie
Ph: 01 662 4304

and seeing what they're willing to do. You shouldn't be paying money up front for 'renting' the place per se, more getting a percentage of the door once it hits a certain number in the club.

electrogrimey

Ah I'm nowhere near the ringing anyone stage, this is only an idea like. I just wanted to know what was involved to see if it's actually possible. Is much of a financial commitment needed, or can you more or less rely on the door sales to start you off? - Obviously if you're confident you will fill the place.

jonny68

weekly club nights in this current climate are a big no go, have a montly event and see it how it goes,be varied with the genres music and don't stuck with the same style.

xcvc

Jacqueline Red Flowerbed wrote: »

Well thats the problem with places that play electronic music, its always been a mostly male clientel where ever the place is, be it Ireland, the UK or Germany. All the big techno clubs in Berlin are gay, if not officially gay.

I dont want to get into a rant about how women only listen to Florence & The Machine and maybe an electro mix or two but at the same time, the reality is that the music we listen to, its men's music. Depressing, but if I seen a girl at an Autechre / Aphex Twin / Carl Craig gig who wasnt there with her boyfriend etc... id be baffled,

So yeah, I often pondered about what it would be like to run a night in town during the week.... sadly though, the music I like would attract at best a small crowd. If electroindie nights can attract a few hundred people, I doubt a night of dubstep, IDM and techno would attract even 100 at best.... So I just gave up, stopped going out. I much prefer listening to music at home, going to the odd gig, and planning a trip to the mainland in the summer.

**** Dublin, we're too small and the people are too narrow minded, favouring a never ending loop in their socialising.... coppers, flannerys, coppers, mcgowans, maybe tripod, coppers...... bla...!

'More of the same please'

i agree with the whole 'big clubs are usually gay' thing.. however, i think you spoke too soon re; girls going to electro/techno things. myself (i'm a girl) and my friends (mostly girls) love this music and have actually gone to carl craig. and not because our boyfriends were there. the dublin clubbing scene is very frustrating. it has possibilities. there's definitely an opening for a proper techno/electro night and i think people really underestimate people in dublin sometimes.

yeah, that indie/electro/hipster scene is VERY annoying and seems to control half of dublin but if anyone's thinking of starting a club night in dublin the hipster scene are probably going to be needed (annoying, yeah, but necessary) to get it going and keep it popular. that's just the way it works. in saying that though, there are a lot of non-scene people that would just enjoy a night like this to go to.

there are enough people out there, they just need to be convinced to put their faith back in dublin clubbing again. the scensters have warded a lot of people off, but get them back, and you have a good club night, with a different feel and attitude. i would actually LOVE a new night like this and i do a bit (very beginner-ish) of djing and that 'warm up slot looking for new people' sounds like a good idea. i know quite a few people with great tastes in music that would love to give it a go.

jimi_t

xcvc wrote: »

myself (i'm a girl) and my friends (mostly girls) love this music and have actually gone to carl craig.

Any chance because it was the bodytonic birthday night in Twisted Pepper? :P

yeah, that indie/electro/hipster scene is VERY annoying and seems to control half of dublin but if anyone's thinking of starting a club night in dublin the hipster scene are probably going to be needed (annoying, yeah, but necessary) to get it going and keep it popular.

Problem is the hipster crowd just don't like the Techno. Take that C.U.N.T night in Crawdaddy; its tagline is 'if you wanna dance, get into the Cradaddy room where you can rattle your ass along to the upbeat electro/pop/indie/blah/blah - no heavy dance tho - we promise.'
http://www.pod.ie/index.php?s=2

If you try to cater for them by playing that muck so as to bulk up your crowd, then you're dissuading the genuine people you want to attract from coming - you might as well just be running another identikit electro night. It's a Catch 22.

I do like the Warm-up DJ slot idea though - you're guaranteeing more people in early to your club and also guaranteeing 10 more heads in the door as mates of the guy DJ'ing.

Gian-Pa

i'm a college student and dj
i've been talking to many promoters in past 6 months to get my dj society or just my self to play at venues, usually wed or thurds
i think is alrite to ask for a fiver if the club/venues is always crowded and there's a good buz about it, but i think is difficult at the beginning and immediately ask for an entrance

many promoters are also getting students as reps to get more peeps in clubs.

i come from Genoa, Italy and we had a club where all my friends where talking about it. And was a college night.
In italy clubs are very different because you have to dress appropriately (shirt and stuff) but i remember queueing for hours just to get in because the place was packed
i don't know if the bouncers where just letting enter few people at a time just show that the place it's full and there is a queue outside.
anyhow, they where basically saying free before 11 and queues were starting like 30 mins before that already.
the music was like house/dance/chart but i guess it was ok.
another thing i think it's nice is that some nights have like a "season" and they come back the year after and have a "long time goals", instead of "let's do few nights, make few bucks and if goes well good, if not **** it"

Plumpynutt

jimi_t wrote: »

That plays **** music and has student promoters behind it. There's a plethora of them in Dublin, and the biggest axiom is that of location. Just look up and down harcourt street of a night - once you have it established that people go there then even people like me, who vow never to set foot in the likes of coppers, end up there at friends bdays and the like because it was their choice of venue.

Clubs, even the ones that host 'proper' music, are just there to sell drink. They might as well be off-licences. That's how the system works. People drink more when they are listening to complete crap. You hear 'Come on Eileen' or 'Summer of 69' in a club and what do you do? Leave the dancefloor and horse a double JD into you if you've any sense.

The kids like the electro and, of the amount of women who can tolerate electronic music AT ALL, the vast majority of them will only listen to electro and 'chart-house'. Believe me, its broken my heart. If you don't get women into your club, then you're finished before you begin - therein lies a major problem getting any sort of 'alt' night off the ground.

(And that kids is why Kennedy's/Twisted Pepper/Pod/Tripod are never simultaneously full whereas the Palace/Coppers/D2/Citibar/Dicey's have queues outside them like the foodlines in the ex-Soviet Bloc countries.)

God I hate this country

QFT.

RockRory

electrogrimey wrote: »

I've been vaguely thinking of trying something like this, to start a clubnight in town, monthly or weekly or whatever, as I've a few acquaintances who've been very successful.

Has anyone had experience starting a night from scratch? (I know at least you do, Zascar) Basically what I want to know is what's involved? Financially, and. bureaucratically

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richierichballs

I wouldnt advise setting up a clubnight in these economic times,
Unless you have alot of money behind you that you may be prepared to lose......
I ran my own nights for a few years though, If you want advice PM me,
Best of luck

wixfjord

jimi_t wrote: »

That plays **** music and has student promoters behind it. There's a plethora of them in Dublin, and the biggest axiom is that of location. Just look up and down harcourt street of a night - once you have it established that people go there then even people like me, who vow never to set foot in the likes of coppers, end up there at friends bdays and the like because it was their choice of venue.

Clubs, even the ones that host 'proper' music, are just there to sell drink. They might as well be off-licences. That's how the system works. People drink more when they are listening to complete crap. You hear 'Come on Eileen' or 'Summer of 69' in a club and what do you do? Leave the dancefloor and horse a double JD into you if you've any sense.

The kids like the electro and, of the amount of women who can tolerate electronic music AT ALL, the vast majority of them will only listen to electro and 'chart-house'. Believe me, its broken my heart. If you don't get women into your club, then you're finished before you begin - therein lies a major problem getting any sort of 'alt' night off the ground.

(And that kids is why Kennedy's/Twisted Pepper/Pod/Tripod are never simultaneously full whereas the Palace/Coppers/D2/Citibar/Dicey's have queues outside them like the foodlines in the ex-Soviet Bloc countries.)

God I hate this country

Great post this sums the nightclub scene in Dublin up and is the reason why later opening hours wouldnt work, imagine the scene after Coppers at half 5? :eek:

jimi_t

wixfjord wrote: »

Great post this sums the nightclub scene in Dublin up and is the reason why later opening hours wouldnt work, imagine the scene after Coppers at half 5? :eek:

Coppers is an anomaly, even for harcourt street. Run by ex-cops and full of present day ones, it has been openly flaunting the closing hours legislation since it came in. It is by far the latest serving bar/nightclub in the city and I've heard of no other premises that has gotten away with what it has (or will).

If the extended opening hours thing came in, it would level the playing field significantly. The only edge coppers ever had was the extended opening - it has an awful dancefloor and layout, crap soundsystem, terrible music and NO drinks promotions while still having the audacity to charge a tenner in. Someone said to me recently that per sq/ft its the most profitable club in Europe (reference?).

Bring in the extended opening hours and we're back to status quo, the crowd will slowly filter away from it to its neighbouring venues and will relegate it back to the novelty it once was for Dubliner's - a southside Quinns and a home away from home for the GAA seasonals. If anything, its one of the greatest arguments for bringing in the late opening hours.

Jev/N

wixfjord wrote: »

Great post this sums the nightclub scene in Dublin up and is the reason why later opening hours wouldnt work, imagine the scene after Coppers at half 5? :eek:

It seems like you don't understand the Give Us The Night Campaign at all?

The idea was to have a tiered system where differently licensed clubs would open at different times and close at different times - not that every single bar and club would open til 6 in the morning.

Also, the whole argument was aimed at being about the music and not drinking so there was a proposal to stop serving an hour or more before the latest closing time

Calvin101

jimi_t wrote: »

Someone said to me recently that per sq/ft its the most profitable club in Europe (reference?).

Don't have a like but remember reading this myself it was in the Sunday business Post. Its also said that the the annual turnover of the cloakroom was over €250,000.

On the point of keeping clubs open for longer with the bar closed I doubt very few clubs would except clubs actual run by promoters such as the Twisted Peppers. Also higher ticket prices would be required to keep it profitable.

Coppers isn't the only place that stays open later than legal. All the places on lesson street seem to be open well after 3. The thing is that the bar is still swamped at these places till 3-4, where as at a dance gig theres never a que at the bar after 1.30-2.

wixfjord

jimi_t wrote: »

Coppers is an anomaly, even for harcourt street. Run by ex-cops and full of present day ones, it has been openly flaunting the closing hours legislation since it came in. It is by far the latest serving bar/nightclub in the city and I've heard of no other premises that has gotten away with what it has (or will).

If the extended opening hours thing came in, it would level the playing field significantly. The only edge coppers ever had was the extended opening - it has an awful dancefloor and layout, crap soundsystem, terrible music and NO drinks promotions while still having the audacity to charge a tenner in. Someone said to me recently that per sq/ft its the most profitable club in Europe (reference?).

Bring in the extended opening hours and we're back to status quo, the crowd will slowly filter away from it to its neighbouring venues and will relegate it back to the novelty it once was for Dubliner's - a southside Quinns and a home away from home for the GAA seasonals. If anything, its one of the greatest arguments for bringing in the late opening hours.

I completely disagree with you here. Do you think that later opening hours would make the type of idiots that go to coppers and get hammered, listen to ****e music and try and get off with some young one from down the country would make the move to say Tripod or the TP if it opened until half 5 for example? It doesnt work that way. Look at what happend at half 3 on Harcourt Street, now multiply this by 3 and you have what will happen at half 5 if clubs stay open for that long.

I agree that GUTN would work in some clubs, but not at all in many. Its about the outlook of pacing yourself which the Irish dont have and never will. Sorry for dragging this ot btw.

electrogrimey

wixfjord wrote: »

Its about the outlook of pacing yourself which the Irish dont have and never will. Sorry for dragging this ot btw.

We'd be better able to pace ourselves if we didn't have to fit a whole night's drinking into 2 hours.

My original questions didn't get answered, and it doesn't look like it will, so don't worry about the de-railing.

wixfjord

electrogrimey wrote: »

We'd be better able to pace ourselves if we didn't have to fit a whole night's drinking into 2 hours.

My original questions didn't get answered, and it doesn't look like it will, so don't worry about the de-railing.

We would be better able to, but I dont think we would. Most people here go out and get drunk as quick as possible, and keep drinking until they get sick or the night is over. I dont think that longer opening hours would change this, and in fact it would be seen that 'oh weve more time to drink, lets get even more drunk', plus people would be leaving later for clubs, meaning they would get even more drunk at home, which is where most drinking is done now.

g5fd6ow0hseima

wixfjord wrote: »

I completely disagree with you here. Do you think that later opening hours would make the type of idiots that go to coppers and get hammered, listen to ****e music and try and get off with some young one from down the country would make the move to say Tripod or the TP if it opened until half 5 for example?

Agreed, the like of Coppers, only caters for a certain clientele, most of whom their main concern is alcohol and the looseness of the opposite sex. But you fail to see that if places like Tripod or the TP opened until 5am or so, they would surely flourish, with big name DJs coming over more regularly as they would no longer be harassed off the stage at 2.30am sharp. The overall 'party atmosphere' in Dublin may be rekindled.

wixfjord wrote: »

It doesnt work that way. Look at what happend at half 3 on Harcourt Street, now multiply this by 3 and you have what will happen at half 5 if clubs stay open for that long.

Wrong. Thats your opinion. Look at the UK, they're possibly worse for binge drinking than us, definetly no better, yet the club scene has developed considerably since the changes in licensing laws, despite the obvious initialities which were always going to happen. I for one, have often gotten too drunk in a nightclub, and have left, and went home before closing time, calling myself a bollox. Does it mean that with extended hours, people will suddenly turn into rabid dogs absolutely baying for alcohol, the likes of never witnessed before?

wixfjord wrote: »

I agree that GUTN would work in some clubs, but not at all in many. Its about the outlook of pacing yourself which the Irish dont have and never will. Sorry for dragging this ot btw.

And why dont we pace ourselves? Because of the middle-aged, conservative, blindly christian laws we have in place.

For a start, with extended laws, take the average friday.

home from work: 7pm
relax then dinner: 8pm
give a friend a call: 9pm
friend comes around with a bottle of wine at 10pm
crowd gathers, bitta craic at the house
decide to head into town at 1am, nicely tipsy

and so on.......

Lets have it for the Bishop :rolleyes:

electrogrimey

Problem is, extended licensing laws would need later transport systems. For instance in Cologne, trams run all right, so you can leave a club at 5am and hop straight on a tram. Busses/Luases/Darts would have to at least run until 1 to get people into town in the first place.

empirix

electrogrimey wrote: »

Problem is, extended licensing laws would need later transport systems. For instance in Cologne, trams run all right, so you can leave a club at 5am and hop straight on a tram. Busses/Luases/Darts would have to at least run until 1 to get people into town in the first place.

No they don't, still have the nitelink etc and then if youmiss that - up to you, your in a taxi or waiting for public transport to reopen/stay in the club - this is the way it is in Sydney!!!!

electrogrimey

empirix wrote: »

No they don't, still have the nitelink etc and then if youmiss that - up to you, your in a taxi or waiting for public transport to reopen/stay in the club - this is the way it is in Sydney!!!!

Just because it's the way it is in Sydney it doesn't mean it's the right way. In Europe, most people head out to late clubs at about 1am. If that were the way here, noone could get to the clubs, as there is no transport.

Daroxtar

Very simple solution: ENFORCE the law which makes it an offence to be intoxicated in a public place. If the law was going to slap you with a €500 on the spot fine every time you were found lying in a heap covered in your own puke/screaming obscenities at a dustbin/making a bolox out of yourself you'd soon learn to behave.
We often say we should follow examples of other countries so why not do like them and come down hard on the fukwits who are usually to blame for making a balls of everyone elses night out.
Also make it an offence for bar staff to serve intoxicated people and in turn make it an assault charge to get thick with bar staff for refusing to serve. Works fine in Australia and i've been in clubs there until 8am without a bother.
Some people will act the cúnt at any opportunity and they need the law to smack them around the chops. That leaves the rest of us to enjoy the music and the benefits of staggered opening hours.If the above laws were implemented strictly you'd have a 6 month period of arseholes getting taught a lesson in social behaviour and then the lesson sinking in. Sometimes we need to told , not asked.

electrogrimey

Daroxtar wrote: »

Very simple solution: ENFORCE the law which makes it an offence to be intoxicated in a public place. If the law was going to slap you with a €500 on the spot fine every time you were found lying in a heap covered in your own puke/screaming obscenities at a dustbin/making a bolox out of yourself you'd soon learn to behave.
We often say we should follow examples of other countries so why not do like them and come down hard on the fukwits who are usually to blame for making a balls of everyone elses night out.
Also make it an offence for bar staff to serve intoxicated people and in turn make it an assault charge to get thick with bar staff for refusing to serve. Works fine in Australia and i've been in clubs there until 8am without a bother.
Some people will act the cúnt at any opportunity and they need the law to smack them around the chops. That leaves the rest of us to enjoy the music and the benefits of staggered opening hours.If the above laws were implemented strictly you'd have a 6 month period of arseholes getting taught a lesson in social behaviour and then the lesson sinking in. Sometimes we need to told , not asked.

Definitely agree with this. Bouncers should be less strict at the door (I don't mean with drunk people) and stricter in the clubs with fights and drunken messes.

Saw a 25 odd year old girl last night on Camden Street at about 4am, collapsed on the ground with her dress up to her belly-button, her mate screaming at her to get up. Shocking like.

On the subject actually, I played in Crawdaddy until 3:15 last night, with no hassle whatsoever from the venue. How does that work, is it not highly illegal? Does Redmond realise he's so far in the shít (€800,000 to be exact) that he doesn't care about licensing laws anymore?

g5fd6ow0hseima

electrogrimey wrote: »

On the subject actually, I played in Crawdaddy until 3:15 last night, with no hassle whatsoever from the venue. How does that work, is it not highly illegal? Does Redmond realise he's so far in the shít (€800,000 to be exact) that he doesn't care about licensing laws anymore?

I'd keep that quiet

electrogrimey

Jacqueline Red Flowerbed wrote: »

I'd keep that quiet

It's not exactly a secret, read about it in the paper today. I'd hate to see Pod fall, Tripod/Crawdaddy are a brilliant asset to Dublin, one of the best venues going, and Pod do a good job of running them.

jimi_t

electrogrimey wrote: »

It's not exactly a secret, read about it in the paper today

link?

electrogrimey

Here, not the same story I read, but the same subject. I had actually read it in the Phoenix.

Jev/N

electrogrimey wrote: »

It's not exactly a secret, read about it in the paper today.

I think Lef meant about the time issue, not the insolvency

electrogrimey

Jev/N wrote: »

I think Lef meant about the time issue, not the insolvency

I was thinking he might have alright. Although it's not on me to get off the stage if I amn't told to, so I see no need to be hush hush about it :pac:

devinejay

EG, in reference to you're idea for the club night;

I'd love to see it happen, but I would be amazed to see it happen all the same. I got pretty sick with most of the weeknight club nights last year and since then I've sorta given up trying to find a good spot! These days I just go with the crowd and ignore the crap they play where ever we end up (Harcourt street :pac:) and enjoy myself as best I can.

To me it seems like it's the students who have the most money to spend at the moment, so if you're setting up a club night if it's to be economically viable then inevitably it'll end up billed as a student night. As I said I've given up trying to get a decent crowd to head somewhere with decent music because it's all about where "everyone" is going (if you get what I mean there). Basically student nights are all about who has done the better promotions/sells the cheapest drink so it'll be tough to combine that with a emphasis on proper music.

Also I think it's safe to say that most students have pretty crap/same-y/undeveloped/radio-abused tastes in music. Catering to a minority here!

The indie/electro hipsters model is one that's working for the promoters, and they are recruiting more and more student reps, especially class reps for "class parties" which are basically just "lets all go where ever these fcuking concessions came from!"

I think your best bet is somewhere like Wax, as previously mentioned it's small and has a great soundsystem and also a bit of a rep for decent music (imo). Also the monthly point is spot on too, the music focused club night is (shamefully) a niche market at the moment, so trying to fill a place every week will be seriously tough. Hope this whole post wasn't too negative because if you do start getting this off the ground then I'll be in like a flash, and I'll bring as many of my mates as I can (except for the hipster ones ) Be happy to help as well!

electrogrimey

That's more or less spot on Jay. If it were to ever happen, it would be a student night generally yeah, cheap in, cheap drink, like the others. Except, that instead of a generic "indie-electro" night, it would be a fairly hardcore electro-house/house/fidget/possibly dubstep type thing. I'd also love to be able to get international DJs after a while too.

Still havn't found out what I came to find out though, does starting a night take any kind of financial commitment, or is it just promoting? I know that many venues who run gigs for bands organise it so that you pay a few hundred up front for the venue, and then recoup the money on the door. Is that how it works for clubnights too?

Placebo

electrogrimey wrote: »

Yeah he is, but that's besides the point.

How ?

Sat, Transmission [button factory] /Gossip [spy] / Club Fear [thomas Reids]
Sun Sundown [Bia Bar], Wishy Washy
Tuesday, Trashed [ALT], ****[crawdaddy]
Wednesday, Antics [crawdaddy]
Thursday Mr jones [Twisted Pepper], Noize [ALT]
Friday, War etc etc etc etc and thats just weekly nights.

thats to name a few, competition out there is intense. Whats gonna make your night stand out?

devinejay

Placebo wrote: »

Whats gonna make your night stand out?

I think the point of the whole thread was that EG wants to see if it's possible to make a night stand out based on the music. It's been mentioned a few times. Here or there.