Gundog training and possible sub-forum

corco2000

all, I have recently aquired a young GWP pup. I have a few books and a dvd. So reading up as much as possible and getting alot from it.

I don't know of any 'excellent' gundog training websites yet. Anyone suggest one plz?

Also I see recently that people are posting more threads of dogs in the hunting section,would there be a need to have a seperate sub section on here maybe? I would think it be good?

Thanks.

dicky82

satisfy my curiosity if you will. what does gwp stand for
:Dthanks. .

BoarHunter

I suppose it is German Wirehaired pointer :rolleyes:

Sparks

There are some 2,000 threads in Hunting, and only some 200 of those mention dogs, setters, pointers, pups, retrievers, ferrets or even ferrits (and many of those 200 are mentions in passing only, the thread's not about the animals) so I don't think there's enough volume to warrant another split of the forum just yet. If we were more in the 1/3 to 1/2 of all threads range, maybe, but not yet.

dicky82

BoarHunter wrote: »

I suppose it is German Wirehaired pointer :rolleyes:

thank you kindly;)

deeksofdoom

Sparks wrote: »

There are some 2,000 threads in Hunting, and only some 200 of those mention dogs, setters, pointers, pups, retrievers, ferrets or even ferrits (and many of those 200 are mentions in passing only, the thread's not about the animals) so I don't think there's enough volume to warrant another split of the forum just yet. If we were more in the 1/3 to 1/2 of all threads range, maybe, but not yet.

WHAT????.................. the hunting thread is not about animals! Where did you read that? How are you supposed to hunt without a dog? A good dog is just a important as a good gun. Somebody is going to have to bring you out for a days hard hunting so that you might learn about the forum your moderating.

jwshooter

its a good idea ,a dog is the most important part of a hunting man life .

i would have little regard for some one that shoots and does not keep a dog.

jap gt

jwshooter wrote: »

its a good idea ,a dog is the most important part of a hunting man life .

i would have little regard for some one that shoots and does not keep a dog.

thats a bit harsh. not every one has ground to keep the dogs, a lot of people i know have no room, but are still mad into hunting and just go out with someone that has a dog, im hoping to get one myself in the coming weeks

greenpeter

I think its a great idea and maybe if there was one people mite ask more questions.

MRJ

+1 for the Gundog sub-forum.

Sparks

deeksofdoom wrote: »

WHAT????.................. the hunting thread is not about animals! Where did you read that?

Well, I didn't read it and I didn't write it, so where'd you come up with it?
Fact is, a thread asking whether to get .270 or .308 or 6.5 or .25-06 isn't about the dog. And as much as you appear to be certain that a man isn't a real hunter without a dog, there just aren't that many threads talking about the dog and nothing but the dog.

locum-motion

To be honest, if this forum is going to be split, I think a better way to split it would be to separate shotgun hunting and rifle hunting. If there's people who are into both, they can still look at both, but I for one have virtually no interest in all the rifle threads.

irish setter

corco2000 wrote: »

all, I have recently aquired a young GWP pup. I have a few books and a dvd. So reading up as much as possible and getting alot from it.

I don't know of any 'excellent' gundog training websites yet. Anyone suggest one plz?

Also I see recently that people are posting more threads of dogs in the hunting section,would there be a need to have a seperate sub section on here maybe? I would think it be good?

Thanks.

be careful looking for information on the net about gundog training as most of the information is american and you don't want to go down that road. google glencuan pointers, good site with good links

irish setter

locum-motion wrote: »

To be honest, if this forum is going to be split, I think a better way to split it would be to separate shotgun hunting and rifle hunting. If there's people who are into both, they can still look at both, but I for one have virtually no interest in all the rifle threads.

+1 on rifle threads

deeksofdoom

Sparks wrote: »

Well, I didn't read it and I didn't write it, so where'd you come up with it?
Fact is, a thread asking whether to get .270 or .308 or 6.5 or .25-06 isn't about the dog. And as much as you appear to be certain that a man isn't a real hunter without a dog, there just aren't that many threads talking about the dog and nothing but the dog.

Well your right there a thread about a rifle calibre is a thread about a rifle calibre. I'm not too interested in rifle shooting, I have one but I don't use it that much apart from a bit of lamping. I'm into game shooting, I get my kicks out of training a dog and then working it in the field, it gives me an enormous amount of pleasure to see a dog that I've worked with from a pup mature start to hunt and do everything I ask of it in the field. If you pick up any of the shooting magazines you'll see pages and pages of articles on dogs and dog training. Sure enough there are plenty of guys on here who do a bit of lamping or deer stalking and don't have a dog and that's fine too. There are plenty of threads on dogs here not as many as one would like but they are there, just have a look at the hunting photos thread there are plenty of photos of lads showing off their dogs on that.

Bottom line is you can't expect to truly enjoy a days pheasant or duck shooting if you don't have a working gun dog. All the original poster is asking for is a separate subsection that deals specifically with gun dog training. I think its a good Idea of course if it doesn't suit you well then that's fine too, but it would be a good way of promoting the sport and giving people advice on training and caring for dogs its the way to go.

Of course I'm talking about game shooting here, you don't need a dog for target shooting, one isn't essential for deershooting, foxshooting or pigeon shooting but they can be used. But you definitely need one for duck or pheasant shooting. You might even become interested in a bit of game shooting yourself and if so your more than welcome to come out for a days shooting with me to see my dogs in action.

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Rovi

Can we cool it with the personal jabs at the moderators please?


Within the hierarchy of Boards.ie, the chances of getting a 'Gundogs' sub-forum of 'Hunting' are close to zero. 'Hunting' is itself a sub-forum of 'Shooting', which would make 'Gundogs' a sub-sub-forum, and I don't think any such layering exists anywhere on the site, and I have a feeling I read somewhere that the Admins aren't keen to go to that sort depth. I don't know if it's even technically possible.

The 'Shooting' forum started off aimed (:rolleyes:) primarily towards the target shooting sports, but a significant volume of traffic built up on (shooting) hunting subjects and with people looking to buy/sell shooting related items, so the three current sub-fora (Hunting, For Sale/Wanted, and Target Shooting) were spun off to cover those specific subjects, leaving the parent forum (Shooting) for the more general stuff.

Within the 'Hunting' forum, some non-shooting subjects have crept in, but realistically, while it's in the 'Shooting' hierarchy, the focus will always be on the firearms.

Training gundogs falls broadly within the remit of Shooting/Hunting as it currently stands, so threads on the subject are more than welcome here.



There are plenty of 'Country Pursuits' which have little or nothing to do with shooting, and which also don't have a natural home here on Boards.ie.
Perhaps those who feel strongly on the subject might like to go over to Forums and propose such a forum?
All the non-shooting/firearm stuff would fit quite comfortably in such a forum, in my opinion.

Sparks

jwshooter wrote: »

we would have to get a mod that knows a bit about dogs ,the four legged type that is

Well, if Rovi and Vegeta didn't feel up to it, we'd find someone. Frankly though, 90% of what the mods do in here seems to be more in common with what kindergarden teachers have to do with cranky children, what with all the PETA/HuntSab/ICABS folks, the inter-regular spats, and the general bizzare nonsense that shows up like carrot bits in a suspect puddle outside a chipper after the pubs close.

The main problem, as I said, is that there just doesn't seem to be sufficient interest in discussing the dogs/ferrets on their own to warrant the split - and if we split off a forum when there's not enough traffic, it'll just cause both the new forum and the old one to suffer.

Besides, if JW's right and you can't really hunt without a dog, how do you seperate the gundog and the hunting forums to begin with?

Sparks

And Rovi's idea of a 'Country Pursuits' forum's not a bad one. Talking with the equestrian forum for the hunt folk and so on might be a good idea for those pursuing that option.

lucy333springer

Spark's
split the shotties and the rifle men then, I myself
shoot .22 and .17, semi-auto, and o/u, but it would
sicken the cow dung from your wellies, the way these rifle
guy's go on and on about the same thing day in and day out
about different bullet's, barrel length, scope, on on on ah! 333

deeksofdoom

Sparks wrote: »

Besides, if JW's right and you can't really hunt without a dog, how do you seperate the gundog and the hunting forums to begin with?

Look your right it is a bit much to separate the hunting forum into a seperate gundog forum, but would you not just accept the fact that hunting with a dog is the most efficient way to hunt and that JW is actually right.

Sparks

deeksofdoom wrote: »

would you not just accept the fact that hunting with a dog is the most efficient way to hunt and that JW is actually right.

What are you talking about deeks?

deeksofdoom

Sparks wrote: »

What are you talking about deeks?

Come for a days shooting with me and you'll find out!

jap gt

i think we should leave well enough alone, dont see why people cant just talk about dogs and ferrets in the hunting section like they are doing now

Sparks

deeksofdoom wrote: »

Come for a days shooting with me and you'll find out!

Deeks, you don't understand. I'm not asking what you meant about hunting, I'm asking why you think I said that you don't need dogs to hunt? What I actually said was that in the hunting forum, out of 2000 threads, only 200 are talking about dogs or ferrets - that's a 1:9 split. If it was closer to 1:3, you could split the forum, but 1:9 isn't a large enough amount for the new forum to survive.

johngalway

Splitting things from the way they are is a very bad idea.

irish setter

lucy333springer wrote: »

Spark's
split the shotties and the rifle men then, I myself
shoot .22 and .17, semi-auto, and o/u, but it would
sicken the cow dung from your wellies, the way these rifle
guy's go on and on about the same thing day in and day out
about different bullet's, barrel length, scope, on on on ah! 333

maybe the mods should be moving those threads to the target section then. that is where they belong, no?

Sparks

irish setter wrote: »

maybe the mods should be moving those threads to the target section then. that is where they belong, no?

Nope. 6.5 -v- .25-06 in hunting is a whole other argument to 6.5 -v- .25-06 in target shooting. Different criteria, different demands, different methods of evaluation.

EPointer=Birdss

irish setter wrote: »

+1 on rifle threads

+1

deeksofdoom

Sparks,

This is your original post in this thread the bold text is the bit that I take issue with, hunting is all about the animals be it the ones your are hunting with or the ones you are hunting.

Sparks wrote: »

There are some 2,000 threads in Hunting, and only some 200 of those mention dogs, setters, pointers, pups, retrievers, ferrets or even ferrits (and many of those 200 are mentions in passing only, the thread's not about the animals) so I don't think there's enough volume to warrant another split of the forum just yet. If we were more in the 1/3 to 1/2 of all threads range, maybe, but not yet.

I haven't be fanatically advocating a separate section for dog training, I said that it was fine if the mods didn't want one.

What I take issue with is the you making statements that just don't make any sense, in the context of hunting.

I'm a hunter your a target shooter were not going to see eye to eye, but at the same time I'm not posting on the target shooting section offering my opinions on target shooting........... for the simple fact that I have no interest in it and I don't know enough about it!

Regards

Deeks

EPointer=Birdss

Think this should go to a poll lads. Can a mod create this & see what the numbers are like? Only fair way...
Most forums I frequent have sub forums for dogs/training...

I don't see how or why the set up was arranged. It may have had a purpose originally but a re-shuffle might help. Personally & only an opinion, I would create the main forum as "shooting" or "country sports" but have no threards in it just links to the following sub forums for;

a) Hunting - Game
b) Gun Gogs - Training etc
c) For sale
d) Target Shooting
e) Rifle Shooting - Vermin/Deer etc

Each one should have a sticky for photos/tips/rules etc

Now I wouldn't be against having deer & foxes in the hunting one but I think rifle questions - ammo etc should reside in option e.

Your thoughts???

IRLConor

It's very unlikely that the Hunting forum would be split. There simply isn't enough traffic to warrant it.

Sparks

deeksofdoom wrote: »

This is your original post in this thread the bold text is the bit that I take issue with, hunting is all about the animals be it the ones your are hunting with or the ones you are hunting.

Yes, hunting is - but the threads in the hunting forum aren't all about the animals you're hunting with. (And if we split it based on the number of threads dealing with the animals you're hunting, we'd have to split Hunting a dozen different ways to cope with duck, deer, pheasant, rabbit, and so on - and then someone'd want deer/sika, deer/red, and so on - and we wind up with a forum for (for example) "people who hunt sika deer with 6.5 calibre rifles and GWPs in sligo".
In other words, it gets silly. Look, you know hunting - but IRLConor and myself earn our living with the internet, so how about you trust our judgement on this one?

deeksofdoom

Sparks wrote: »

Yes, hunting is - but the threads in the hunting forum aren't all about the animals you're hunting with. (And if we split it based on the number of threads dealing with the animals you're hunting, we'd have to split Hunting a dozen different ways to cope with duck, deer, pheasant, rabbit, and so on - and then someone'd want deer/sika, deer/red, and so on - and we wind up with a forum for (for example) "people who hunt sika deer with 6.5 calibre rifles and GWPs in sligo".
In other words, it gets silly. Look, you know hunting - but IRLConor and myself earn our living with the internet, so how about you trust our judgement on this one?

I'm a member of a few forums and your right, when there are too many topics on the one subject the forum does look silly and you can't find anything. So..... I agree with you! Boards has too much going on as it is.

My problem was with your initial post, I don't like hunting being misrepresented as I'm sure you wouldn't like target shooting being misrepresented either.

I think we have that bit resolved now and your a little bit older and wiser for it;) enjoy your weekend.

Sparks

deeksofdoom wrote: »

My problem was with your initial post

I'm thinking I didn't do a very good job of explaining my thinking in that post, sorry for that deeks.

How about prefixes to the thread names like in For Sale/Wanted
We could do /Rifle and /Shotgun and /Gundog prefixes in different colours?
It wouldn't split the traffic of the forum and is easier to navigate.

locum-motion

Deleted User wrote: »

How about prefixes to the thread names like in For Sale/Wanted
We could do /Rifle and /Shotgun and /Gundog prefixes in different colours?
It wouldn't split the traffic of the forum and is easier to navigate.

That's an idea.

johngalway

Serious question. How is the forum hard to navigate as is, because I really don't understand the problem.

I don't think it is personally but there's no pleasing some people.
I think my suggestion would please everyone tbh.

lucy333springer

+1 dojo,
fab idea,333.