Sending out an SOS.- Pool and its future

cournioni

whatawaster wrote: »

Who is they? The entire SOS membership wasn’t there, and therefore cannot be blamed for this. Why not simplify it to “some Liverpool fans are cnuts” instead of Liverpool fans as a whole which is what you seem to be implying.

Christ, way to miss a point... :rolleyes:

Have you ever heard of the expression "pulling the plug" on something? Where do you think that came from? Who was responsible for that plug? SOS. Who didn't hand out bans or call for resignations after it? SOS. Now they are looking for Hicks Jr's resignation for telling someone to "blow him". That is called hypocrisy, and that is my point.

cournioni

pajodublin wrote: »

sigh, another know it all

as i said in the Liverpool discussion thread
he wasnt hired by SOS. and again
nothing was said or even written when the utd players were singing "we won it 3 times without killing anyone" when the won the CL a couple of years ago

That is MORE unacceptable IMO

Link?

Good man, the can is slightly open... What do you think that song is as a result of? The... account... ability... of... ??? Come on man, you can do it!

~Rebel~

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

Ah, so they allowed him to take the mic. I see, fair play... Just hang on until he's finished this little number...

He didn't sing anything about Munich. He joined in with some spa's in the crowd's 'munich' chant for 10 seconds or so before singing a song about Liverpool in european finals.

He's still a douche and I have no time whatsoever for anyone acting like this, and would greatly like this aspect of the clubs supporters to be rounded up and culled, but we may as well be accurate about what happened.

cournioni

~Rebel~ wrote: »

He didn't sing anything about Munich. He joined in with some spa's in the crowd's 'munich' chant for 10 seconds or so before singing a song about Liverpool in european finals.

He's still a douche and I have no time whatsoever for anyone acting like this, and would greatly like this aspect of the clubs supporters to be rounded up and culled, but we may as well be accurate about what happened.

I really don't care Rebel, truly. The point is no one has been repremanded for it within SOS and yet they expect Hicks Jr to resign. I and the person who wrote the piece in Fiver are simply pointing out their hypocrisy.

Spiritoftheseventies

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

I really don't care Rebel, truly. The point is no one has been repremanded for it within SOS and yet they expect Hicks Jr to resign. I and the person who wrote the piece in Fiver are simply pointing out their hypocrisy.

You are wrong there about no action being taken. See our main thread for clarification.

Kess73

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

Link?

Good man, the can is slightly open... What do you think that song is as a result of? The... account... ability... of... ??? Come on man, you can do it!

Hang on a second. I was there for that end of season party last May in the Olympia, and to say that there was no accountability at all is wrong.

When that song got aired a number got up and walked out, this I know because my brother and I left in disgust and were not alone in doing so. There were also some exchanges in the aftermath between the morons who thought it was funny and the normal people who were disgusted by it. I know I had a right go at two of the organisers, verbally of course. Some of the organisers did cut what was being said short, and they did have words with the "entertainment" for going along with the crowd chant.

As Liverpool fans we are quick to react at any Hillsborough slurs, and rightly so, but we should be just as sensitive to making Munich comments.

Just because a number of Man Utd "supporters" chant it at a match, does not make it right for a number of our lot to chant back about them. It just becomes a vicious circle. Anyone who tries to defend the chants, regardless of what side they are on, with "they did it first, so we responded", should not be in either ground, and I have zero respect for them as a football fan or as a person.

There are lines that you do not cross and the Hillsborough/Munich disasters are two of them. I am particularly sensitive to the former, and although I am one of the lucky ones as my father returned home the next day alive after that day, plenty of his friends did not. So whilst I generally try to stay rational on the subject, sometimes I fail and get worked up on it. It did force a fresh point of view on the Munich disaster into my young mind, and I have since been quick to turn on any idiot who tries that Munich ****e within earshot of me.

I think the main bone of contention about that night was the fact that it was not condemned by the mouthpieces until after it hit Youtube. Personally it should have been nipped in the bud with a statement straight away. The official SOS website should have carried a message on it that night as soon as one of those with access could get to a pc, and the message should have contained an apology to Man Utd football club, and that those involved in the chants from the crowd were kicked from the Union with membership revoked.

It boils down to comments I made earlier about holding ourselves to standards. If you are prepared to get dirty, then you have no right to whinge and complain when your foe does so. If your foe gets dirty, your standards should compel you not to drop to their level.

Spiritoftheseventies

Kess73 wrote: »

Hang on a second. I was there for that end of season party last May in the Olympia, and to say that there was no accountability at all is wrong.

When that song got aired a number got up and walked out, this I know because my brother and I left in disgust and were not alone in doing so. There were also some exchanges in the aftermath between the morons who thought it was funny and the normal people who were disgusted by it. I know I had a right go at two of the organisers, verbally of course. Some of the organisers did cut what was being said short, and they did have words with the "entertainment" for going along with the crowd chant.

As Liverpool fans we are quick to react at any Hillsborough slurs, and rightly so, but we should be just as sensitive to making Munich comments.

Just because a number of Man Utd "supporters" chant it at a match, does not make it right for a number of our lot to chant back about them. It just becomes a vicious circle. Anyone who tries to defend the chants, regardless of what side they are on, with "they did it first, so we responded", should not be in either ground, and I have zero respect for them as a football fan or as a person.

There are lines that you do not cross and the Hillsborough/Munich disasters are two of them. I am particularly sensitive to the former, and although I am one of the lucky ones as my father returned home the next day alive after that day, plenty of his friends did not. So whilst I generally try to stay rational on the subject, sometimes I fail and get worked up on it. It did force a fresh point of view on the Munich disaster into my young mind, and I have since been quick to turn on any idiot who tries that Munich ****e within earshot of me.

I think the main bone of contention about that night was the fact that it was not condemned by the mouthpieces until after it hit Youtube. Personally it should have been nipped in the bud with a statement straight away. The official SOS website should have carried a message on it that night as soon as one of those with access could get to a pc, and the message should have contained an apology to Man Utd football club, and that those involved in the chants from the crowd were kicked from the Union with membership revoked.

It boils down to comments I made earlier about holding ourselves to standards. If you are prepared to get dirty, then you have no right to whinge and complain when your foe does so. If your foe gets dirty, your standards should compel you not to drop to their level.

This is what Spirit of Shankly had to say about the matter as posted on main pool thread.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=63951568&postcount=14900
Agree with what is been said here and maybe SOS could have acted quicker but a statement was issued subsequently.

Kess73

bayviewclose wrote: »

This is what Spirit of Shankley had to say about the matter as posted on main pool thread.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=63951568&postcount=14900
Agree with what is been said here and maybe SOS could have acted quicker but a statement was issued subsequently.

I know what they said about the matter nearly two weeks after the event. And Bill's name is spelt wrong.

pajodublin

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

Christ, way to miss a point... :rolleyes:

Have you ever heard of the expression "pulling the plug" on something? Where do you think that came from? Who was responsible for that plug? SOS. Who didn't hand out bans or call for resignations after it? SOS. Now they are looking for Hicks Jr's resignation for telling someone to "blow him". That is called hypocrisy, and that is my point.

im not going to bother replying to you as there are too many words to describe people like you.
Unfortunately each one is a bannable offence on here.

See the other thread.......... ******* ****

cournioni

Kess73 wrote: »

Hang on a second. I was there for that end of season party last May in the Olympia, and to say that there was no accountability at all is wrong.

When that song got aired a number got up and walked out, this I know because my brother and I left in disgust and were not alone in doing so. There were also some exchanges in the aftermath between the morons who thought it was funny and the normal people who were disgusted by it. I know I had a right go at two of the organisers, verbally of course. Some of the organisers did cut what was being said short, and they did have words with the "entertainment" for going along with the crowd chant.

As Liverpool fans we are quick to react at any Hillsborough slurs, and rightly so, but we should be just as sensitive to making Munich comments.

Just because a number of Man Utd "supporters" chant it at a match, does not make it right for a number of our lot to chant back about them. It just becomes a vicious circle. Anyone who tries to defend the chants, regardless of what side they are on, with "they did it first, so we responded", should not be in either ground, and I have zero respect for them as a football fan or as a person.

There are lines that you do not cross and the Hillsborough/Munich disasters are two of them. I am particularly sensitive to the former, and although I am one of the lucky ones as my father returned home the next day alive after that day, plenty of his friends did not. So whilst I generally try to stay rational on the subject, sometimes I fail and get worked up on it. It did force a fresh point of view on the Munich disaster into my young mind, and I have since been quick to turn on any idiot who tries that Munich ****e within earshot of me.

I think the main bone of contention about that night was the fact that it was not condemned by the mouthpieces until after it hit Youtube. Personally it should have been nipped in the bud with a statement straight away. The official SOS website should have carried a message on it that night as soon as one of those with access could get to a pc, and the message should have contained an apology to Man Utd football club, and that those involved in the chants from the crowd were kicked from the Union with membership revoked.

It boils down to comments I made earlier about holding ourselves to standards. If you are prepared to get dirty, then you have no right to whinge and complain when your foe does so. If your foe gets dirty, your standards should compel you not to drop to their level.

Fair play to you, and good post.

cournioni

pajodublin wrote: »

im not going to bother replying to you as there are too many words to describe people like you.
Unfortunately each one is a bannable offence on here.

See the other thread.......... ******* ****

Go on, say it...

I am merely pointing out the FACHTS buddy.

pajodublin

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

Go on, say it...

I am merely pointing out the FACHTS buddy.

and get myself banned, yeah that would be a success don't ya think

cournioni

pajodublin wrote: »

and get myself banned, yeah that would be a success don't ya think

The pm box is there for a reason. Seriously, what have I said that has annoyed you, apart from pointing out a few things that you mightn't like.

pajodublin

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

The pm box is there for a reason. Seriously, what have I said that has annoyed you, apart from pointing out a few things that you mightn't like.

look mate, i agree with the base points you have made
It wasnt right that munich chant was sung at an event like that (or any event i suppose)
But its been done on both sides for years and as i pointed out even the players gettin involved in certain chants they shouldnt have.

The simple fact is, you cant talk to a "customer" like that and get away with it.
I dont know if anyone paid the price in SOS for what happened
Your right in saying they shouldver pulled the plug.
But it didnt and it got out (stupidly i might add)

Im generally a calm person but some bile gets thrown around on here so much so often by all sets of supporter it just gets on my tits.

EDIT: My punctuation and grammar is terrible. in work trying not to be caught on boards

x in the city

pajodublin wrote: »

you my friend are clueless, i will deal with each point in succession


How is that then...nailed on... the top 3 are playing just as badly as everyone else. Utd have lost 5 games this season. we are only half way through a very long season. It only takes a few wins on the trot and peoples (like you)views will suddenly change.....


Toothless, i dont think so. Agreed the squad is a lot weaker but i seem to remember us beating chelsea and utd without them last season!!!

He has consistently improved the squad with very little funding for the past couple of seasons. Squad depth has suffered because his need to sell to buy. dont you get that. Rafa's not untouchable. He has made a few strange calls but i fully support as the manager of the club as there is no one out there who would have put up with the **** he has since G&H bought the club.

you really do not watch a lot of football do you

Arsenal havent won anything in 5 years and there is not a mention of wenger gettin the boot

Ferguson went on a dry spell as chelsea were becoming a footballing power and some fans were calling for his head and he didnt get the bump....

Stop being the armchair, tabloid reading sky watching, ronnnie whelan touting supporter that you are, and look at the club for what it is at the moment...IN SERIOUS FINANCIAL TROUBLE BECAUSE OF THE YANKS

rose tinted glasses eh....

if you look a bit further into the history of LFC you will see there is little difference between Everton and Liverpool in terms of them last winning a league title.

during that time the difference in expenditure of both clubs is vast.. and we know who has spent the most.

but carry on with raffa by all means... he has taken ye to a stage now where victories of lower league clubs is not guaranteed, let alone a title.

Mr Alan

x in the city, where has Moyes brought you? If we're judging rafa on where the team is now, despite all the troubles we've had this season, we're still comfortably ahead of everton

mayordenis

x in the city wrote: »

rose tinted glasses eh....

if you look a bit further into the history of LFC you will see there is little difference between Everton and Liverpool in terms of them last winning a league title.

during that time the difference in expenditure of both clubs is vast.. and we know who has spent the most.

but carry on with raffa by all means... he has taken ye to a stage now where victories of lower league clubs is not guaranteed, let alone a title.

6 months of poor results in 5 and a half years of improvement, we're not all that fickle.
Wins over any team is never a guarantee, we're not that disrespectful.

You're basically talking ****e and I have no idea why you spell his name "Raffa" some phantom second F for no reason.

x in the city

x in the city wrote: »

rose tinted glasses eh....

if you look a bit further into the history of LFC you will see there is little difference between Everton and Liverpool in terms of them last winning a league title.

during that time the difference in expenditure of both clubs is vast.. and we know who has spent the most.

but carry on with raffa by all means... he has taken ye to a stage now where victories of lower league clubs is not guaranteed, let alone a title.

You cannot hide your hate of Liverpool in all your posts, slagging us off at every opportunity. It's very tedious.

You cannot expect your posts to be taken seriously when you support Everton.

Spiritoftheseventies

Everton had a very good team in the eighties. But not the force that they were.

monkey9

bayviewclose wrote: »

Everton had a very good team in the eighties. But not the force that they were.

What's that got to do with anything??

Spiritoftheseventies

monkey9 wrote: »

What's that got to do with anything??

Got to do with Everton being a good team once and that we were discussing them like

ilovelamp2000

My feelings on SOS are known to anyone who read the superthread so I won't go into them again.

With regard to it being claimed as a victory for SOS, if it is it's an incredibly minor one. Hicks Jnr. has simply been replaced by someone from Hicks' other companies.

It didn't change the balance at boardroom level, it changed nothing about the ownership. It's business as usual already. Because Hicks Jnr has stepped down the club have cut short any mileage SOS might seek to derive from it.

P.S. - Mayordenis - I admire your morals.

Kess - You own this thread.

Spiritoftheseventies

Rosco1982 wrote: »

P.S. - Mayordenis - I admire your morals.

Kess - You own this thread.

Actually as its creator i do, Kess is my guest at the moment

everdead.ie

Rosco1982 wrote: »

My feelings on SOS are known to anyone who read the superthread so I won't go into them again.

With regard to it being claimed as a victory for SOS, if it is it's an incredibly minor one. Hicks Jnr. has simply been replaced by someone from Hicks' other companies.

It didn't change the balance at boardroom level, it changed nothing about the ownership. It's business as usual already. Because Hicks Jnr has stepped down the club have cut short any mileage SOS might seek to derive from it.

P.S. - Mayordenis - I admire your morals.

Kess - You own this thread.

How long till we find out he got A HUGE golden handshake that is bigger then rafas transfer budget:pac:

flahavaj

It consistently amazes me how many people, especially Liverpool fans cannot spell Bill Shankly's name right. :eek:

ilovelamp2000

everdead.ie wrote: »

How long till we find out he got A HUGE golden handshake that is bigger then rafas transfer budget:pac:

I doubt he was getting paid much (if anything) for sitting on the board. And he resigned so he isn't entitled to anything.

He'll still be getting a wedge from one of Daddy's other companies though, Tommy won't go hungry.

Spiritoftheseventies

flahavaj wrote: »

It consistently amazes me how many people, especially Liverpool fans cannot spell Bill Shankly's name right. :eek:

A lot harder to spell than SAF to be honest

Le King

flahavaj wrote: »

It consistently amazes me how many people, especially Liverpool fans cannot spell Bill Shankly's name right. :eek:

FYP

x in the city

Mr Alan wrote: »

x in the city, where has Moyes brought you? If we're judging rafa on where the team is now, despite all the troubles we've had this season, we're still comfortably ahead of everton

this is an SOS about LFC...:rolleyes:

Anyways

Moyes has brought one thing to the club that Liverpool can only dream of

stability, and an understanding chairman and board.

As it stands Everton have been the only club in recent years to breach the sky monolopy. He has worked miracles with his budget and more importantly his injury problems., Liverpool have struggled with Torres and Gerrard off form, lets see them perform with as many key players out as Everton.

And Moyes, he has got balls to put his trust in teenagers who live at home with their mom into the first team.

Not spend million on players like Keane and play them a few times and off load them again...


But carry on as I said...:)

x in the city

monkey9 wrote: »

What's that got to do with anything??

true, but that could ring true for both clubs. but hard core Evertonians would say the current squad is the best ever, and Moyes only recruits quality to his squad now (Donovan).

I don't hate Liverpool at all, contrary to popular belief

I just think that some supporters need to get their heads out of their ass and remove their rose tinted glasses.

the true story is that clubs like Arsenal, Man United and Chelsea are in a different galaxy to Liverpool (and Everton).

Chelsea and Man U are going thru a woeful spell but still miles ahead.