Pajero Vs Pajero Sport

PaddyBloggit

What's the difference?

Other than engine size/power is there any other difference between a 2.5 and a 3.2?

I'm looking to upgrade at some stage this year.

The general consensus around here is that I can't go wrong with a landcruiser but second hand they're quite expensive.

I'll be using the 4x4 as a regular vehicle mainly, with the odd double axle trailer being pulled and 4 wheel drive being engaged mainly while drawing timber out of slippery fields.

I've seen a 07 pajero sport lwb 2.5td for €7k, and a 06 3.2 lwb for anything up to €14k ... landcruisers are way beyond the pajero range.

What an acceptable milage secondhand and should I be looking out for any problems in particular?

peasant

The Pajero "sport" is anything but ...it's an L200 (the crewcab one) with a slightly different body. Cramped inside and a pig to drive.

PaddyBloggit

peasant wrote: »

The Pajero "sport" is anything but ...it's an L200 (the crewcab one) with a slightly different body. Cramped inside and a pig to drive.

Thanks for the reply peasant.

I won't be buying new. I wouldn't go near a crew cab ... I hate the look of them. Definitely need a lwb version of whatever I get .... I'll upgrade to a 2006 or 2007 model of whatever I buy ... depending on price. Max I'm hoping to spend .... €10k .... ideal would be to spend no more than €7k.

I've bought the new for a long time, suffered the depreciation of them .... no more ..

Bitten & Hisses

Pajeros are known to give flywheel trouble. Mine did at 88K and cost the best part of 3 grand to put right. Otherwise, no major issues with mine at least. Apparently, the Automatics don't have flywheel issues. My recommendation is for a 3.2 LWB auto. There were quite a few sold in 2006 with the "Dakar" spec, which included leather seats and big alloys.
I would avoid the sport for the same reasons as peasant mentioned. I found them to have little power and if you try pulling out from a junction in a hurry, you'll be sitting there with one wheel spinning and going nowhere. The cabin is extremely cramped. Unless you're under 6 foot, I'd recommend looking elsewhere.

PaddyBloggit

Bitten & Hisses wrote: »

Pajeros are known to give flywheel trouble. Mine did at 88K and cost the best part of 3 grand to put right. Otherwise, no major issues with mine at least. Apparently, the Automatics don't have flywheel issues. My recommendation is for a 3.2 LWB auto. There were quite a few sold in 2006 with the "Dakar" spec, which included leather seats and big alloys.
I would avoid the sport for the same reasons as peasant mentioned. I found them to have little power and if you try pulling out from a junction in a hurry, you'll be sitting there with one wheel spinning and going nowhere. The cabin is extremely cramped. Unless you're under 6 foot, I'd recommend looking elsewhere.

Thanks for that B & H .... I'll confine my search for a 2006 3.2 lwb and not the sport and keep an eye out for the dakar spec.

My only concern is the automatic gearbox ..... how does that fare with pulling trailers/4x4 drive mode?

The flywheel .... amy way of checking it prior to purchase?

Bitten & Hisses

PaddyBloggit wrote: »

Thanks for that B & H .... I'll confine my search for a 2006 3.2 lwb and not the sport and keep an eye out for the dakar spec.

My only concern is the automatic gearbox ..... how does that fare with pulling trailers/4x4 drive mode?

The flywheel .... amy way of checking it prior to purchase?

I've never driven an auto Pajero, so I can't comment. That said, I'd be seriously considering one if I was changing.
As for the flywheel, it's only apparent if it's within 5,000 miles of letting go. If you're in a high gear at relatively low revs and accelerating, you'll notice significant vibration from the drivetrain. Somebody else might know better than me about the flywheel, but that was my experience.

alexlyons

Pajero auto's are a dream, especially the newer ones. Pulling in them is brilliant. I have only driven one a few times while pulling, and their bang on.

PaddyBloggit

All sounds promising .... now what are 2006 3.2 lwb auto 'dakar' style pajeros making?

colm_mcm

Here's a 2005 Pajero 3.2 Equippe for £8950,

That's €9933
Travel €300
VRT €50
Conversion €700

That's around €11k

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/200951348854303/sort/priceasc/usedcars/make/mitsubishi/model/shogun/maximum-age/up_to_5_years_old/engine-size-cars/3l_to_3-9l/radius/1500/page/1/postcode/ln12na?previous=%2Fsearch%2Fresults%2Fusedcars%2Fpostcode%2Fln12na%2Fradius%2F1500%2Fmake%2Fmitsubishi%2Fmodel%2Fshogun%2Fmaximum-age%2Fup_to_5_years_old%2Fengine-size-cars%2F3l_to_3-9l%2Fsort%2Fpriceasc%2Fpage%2F1&logcode=p

You may do better locally.

alexlyons

oh btw, check out car auctions. you can get some seriously good prices on vehicles.

http://www.merlincarauctions.ie/

they check the car properly etc so its not like your buying something thats gonna fall apart, you can alos inspect yourself before the auction. great prices due to repo's

pajero12

PaddyBloggit wrote: »

What's the difference?

Other than engine size/power is there any other difference between a 2.5 and a 3.2?

I'm looking to upgrade at some stage this year.

The general consensus around here is that I can't go wrong with a landcruiser but second hand they're quite expensive.

I'll be using the 4x4 as a regular vehicle mainly, with the odd double axle trailer being pulled and 4 wheel drive being engaged mainly while drawing timber out of slippery fields.

I've seen a 07 pajero sport lwb 2.5td for €7k, and a 06 3.2 lwb for anything up to €14k ... landcruisers are way beyond the pajero range.

What an acceptable milage secondhand and should I be looking out for any problems in particular?

Actually you can go very wrong with a landcruiser,carbon gets blown down by the injectors and into the sump.These deposits lump together and can block the gauze on the oil filter.Then the engines f***ed.Avoid them D-4D engines

Although aesthetically the landcruiser is nicer..Go for the original pajero for reliability and pullingpower

PaddyBloggit

pajero12 wrote: »

Actually you can go very wrong with a landcruiser,carbon gets blown down by the injectors and into the sump.These deposits lump together and can block the gauze on the oil filter.Then the engines f***ed.Avoid them D-4D engines

Although aesthetically the landcruiser is nicer..Go for the original pajero for reliability and pullingpower

Thanks pajero12 .... when I said about consensus around here I meant around my area .... when asking people's opinions.

The 'original pajero' what years are you referring to and have you any opinion on the engine size, auto or manual etc.

Trying to sort out models can be confusing ....

Friend of mine has a 3.2 2005 swb ... and it looks more modern than others I've seen ... only criticism he has it that it's heavy on fuel.

I've seen some models with an air vent on the bonnet and others without ....

Going by advice here I should be looking for:

2006/2007 LWB (not sport), auto desirable, and 'Dakar' spec.

Anyone have a link to what I'm looking for?

Should it be something like this:

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Mitsubishi/Pajero/3.2-DIES/200949196059844/advert?channel=CARS

What kind of prices are they commanding or more importantly what should I realistically be paying?

E39MSport

pajero12 wrote: »

Actually you can go very wrong with a landcruiser,carbon gets blown down by the injectors and into the sump.These deposits lump together and can block the gauze on the oil filter.Then the engines f***ed.Avoid them D-4D engines

Although aesthetically the landcruiser is nicer..Go for the original pajero for reliability and pullingpower

The D-4D in the cruiser is brilliant imo. The oil pick up problem in the sump has been fixed with new injector seals afaik. However if you are going for a used one you need to make sure it has been serviced every 5k otherwise you run the risk of this serious problem. Having said that, if you find one, you could get the pick up filter checked and if its okay then you're good to go with regular servicing from purchase.
Mr. T is denying all knowledge of this problem so beware bs from dealers.

colm_mcm

with the LC you're still risking injectors, fuel pump and clutch failures.

pajero12

Does it have to be LWB.I think the SWB are much neater.Heres a lovely example.As far as i know this is Dakar spec
http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/1026775

How much are you looking to spend?

colm_mcm

that's 15k for a 2004, for €20k you'd get an 08 Land Cruiser

PaddyBloggit

The 3.2s are a lot dearer than the 2.5s

I have a Frontera .... that has run its course and it's as swb as you can get. It's too small for carrying anything substancial and with no back doors it's a case of throwing yourself in the back to get anything at the back of the seats.

Throw in a dog and the back is full. He ain't happy sharing his limited space with anything other than a tool box.

No it'll have to be a lwb. (The swb pajero looks butty to me .... )

The 3.2 version seems to be a serious model but there are serious prices going with them.

How much do I want to spend? About €8k ... which would cover a 2.5 comfortably if I wait for the right one. The Frontera owes me nothing as it has well paid for itself .... but I reckon I'd get between €2.5k and €3k for it.
Factor that in .... and my budget could hit about €11k.

If I wrapped it .... tis small money.

The link you gave to the 2004 swb pajero ... tis a lot for a 6 year old vehicle.

colm_mcm .... thanks for the link but I reckon that I'd surely get as good a deal here .... especially if I went for a straight deal.

How updated are the ads on Carzone?

Other than Carzone, Autotrader and DoneDeal are there any other sites worth looking at out there?

PaddyBloggit

With regard to inporting from the UK .... is there any crowd out there who source vehicles and bring them in.

I know it happens for classics but what about 4x4s etc.?

I looked at Merlin ... I see they have a 2007 2.5 coming up at the Naas auction.


Where do they keep the spare on the lwb pajero?

colm_mcm

Paddy Connolly 4X4 in Galway bring stuff in from the UK and they have a good reputation. they're not cheap though.

PaddyBloggit

For €8/€9k I reckon a 2.5 is achievable.

I reckon I'd have to increase my budger to about €14/€15k if I want to get a 3.2 version.

I have a contact in Galway .... think I'll send them on a fact finding mission to Paddy Connolly ... thanks Colm!

PaddyBloggit

colm_mcm wrote: »

Paddy Connolly 4X4 in Galway bring stuff in from the UK and they have a good reputation. they're not cheap though.

Have they a site?

I can only find a Paddy Connolly in Dublin:

http://www.carzone.ie/es-ie/car-dealers/Dublin/Paddy-Connolly-4x4

Slidey

PaddyBloggit wrote: »

For €8/€9k I reckon a 2.5 is achievable.

I reckon I'd have to increase my budger to about €14/€15k if I want to get a 3.2 version.

I have a contact in Galway .... think I'll send them on a fact finding mission to Paddy Connolly ... thanks Colm!

My mate works for Connolly in his Ballina depot. I am led to believe they treat their customers very well

mossfort

i know paddy connolly has a place in ballina and one on the ballinrobe road in castlebar. wheres he in galway?

PaddyBloggit

Is Paddy Connolly Galway the same guy as Paddy Connolly Dublin?

Is the 2.5 a waste of money? Should I go that extra mile for the 3.2? For the extra cash is it worth it?

mossfort

i dont know about paddy connolly in galway.the guy in dublin has places in ballina and castlebar.
it depends on what you will be towing .
i tow a 12ft x 6ft trailer with a 2.5 pajero sport and often tow 3 tons
in it no problem.
its not as lively as the 3.2 and is alittle cramped behind the steering wheel but they are not as bad as people say they are.

PaddyBloggit

mossfort wrote: »

i dont know about paddy connolly in galway.the guy in dublin has places in ballina and castlebar.
it depends on what you will be towing .
i tow a 12ft x 6ft trailer with a 2.5 pajero sport and often tow 3 tons
in it no problem.
its not as lively as the 3.2 and is alittle cramped behind the steering wheel but they are not as bad as people say they are.

Biggest load I'd be towing would be a double axle 8'x4' .... sand, gravel, turf, blocks.

On occassion I'd probably pull a cow box with at most two animals in it.

Could it handle a fully loaded car transporter?

If the 2.5 could handle that I reckon I'd get away with it.

Anything would be a step up from the Frontera.

How's the 2.5 in 4 wheel drive mode?

PaddyBloggit

mossfort wrote: »

i dont know about paddy connolly in galway.

I'll get my contact in Galway looking for him .... it could be fun!

mossfort

if you only pulling an 8x4 trailer it would be well up to it.
the best thing you can do is test drive a secondhand pajero 2.5sport and 3.2 and see what you think of each of them.

PaddyBloggit

mossfort wrote: »

if you only pulling an 8x4 trailer it would be well up to it.
the best thing you can do is test drive a secondhand pajero 2.5sport and 3.2 and see what you think of each of them.

Thanks mossfort.

Will do.

broro22

If you can stretch to the 3.2 go for it. Apart from the flywheel they dont give much trouble engine is chain driven no worries about balancer shaft belts breaking and taking the timing belt with them the cylinder head on the 2.5 are soft inclined to crack if they over heat. You,ll never find a 3.2 wanting for power. I have a 2.5 L200 its hard on diesel and under powered wouldnt buy an other 2.5.

colm_mcm

PaddyBloggit wrote: »

Is Paddy Connolly Galway the same guy as Paddy Connolly Dublin?

Is the 2.5 a waste of money? Should I go that extra mile for the 3.2? For the extra cash is it worth it?

He gives an address in Sandyford but all the jeeps are in (What I thought was Galway) Mayo

He's not to be confused with Paddy Connolly from Naas Kia

Bitten & Hisses

OP, I'd be sticking with the proper Pajero if I were you. I wholeheartedly agree with you on the need for a LWB, as any SWB jeep is bouncy and useless for carrying stuff in the back. All LWB "real" Pajeros are 3.2 from 00 onwards. You'll surely find one to fit your budget. BTW, that 2004 SWB on donedeal is stupid money. 14K is certainly not the value of that jeep; it's more like 8 to 10K on a good day. A LWB shouldn't be much more.
The LWB you posted from Carzone looks like a UK import with the black plastic grille and is most likely a poverty-spec Shogun. I don't think I ever saw an Irish Pajero with that grille fitted. My advice is go LWB, go auto, Dakar spec is a bonus and buy based on condition and mileage rather than year.

cojomo2

Hi OP,

I bought a brand new pajero ck 3.2 auto in '06. I put up about 90k km on it and never ever once and anything go wrong. I have driven the sport and it doesn't compare, its like driving a lorry!

Anyway, I just sold mine as I don't need it anymore..I did a deal with a Mitz dealer, he gave me a 06 Colt 3rd with 20ish k km on the clock plus he gave me 3 grand cash also

Not a great deal but best(by far) I was offered from all the dealers

pajero12

colm_mcm wrote: »

that's 15k for a 2004, for €20k you'd get an 08 Land Cruiser

Ye i know thats way too dear but i was just observing the Dakar spec

And our swb isnt bouncy at all

PaddyBloggit

Thanks all for the help ....


LWB it is, 3.2., auto with dakar specs if I'm lucky

now for the search.

What would be acceptable milage for a 2004 on?

I reckon I'll come up at least to 2004 and see from there.

Were there any major changes with model/specs from 2004 to latest version?

colm_mcm

PaddyBloggit wrote: »

I reckon I'll come up at least to 2004 and see from there.

Were there any major changes with model/specs from 2004 to latest version?

They did a facelift around 2006 and got "Lexus lights" on the back, new headlights/wings etc, number plate on the (centre mounted) spare wheel, lost the small lights on the bumper (because of the moved wheel) and got a general tidy up.

AFAIK they changed to common rail around that time too (open to correction) I'd be inclined to go with the older type as I have a fear of anything common rail on a used jeep.

Slidey

The older one has a weak injector pump I believe.

I changed one and the guy who rebuilt the pump said it was a common fault in them

colm_mcm

are they megabucks to replace?

Slidey

I think, and this is a bit hazy, but it can range from 550 to 850 to fix the pump. Taking it off is a big enough job though.

There is very few people in Ireland fit to fix them or so I was told. It was a guy in Cavan that rebuilt the one I took off. He was very helpful and talked me through setting up the timing when I was putting it back

EDIT: Found this old post of mine on the same topic

colm_mcm

I can't remember how much a high pressure pump for a TLC is but I heard figures of €4k before.

pajero12

colm_mcm wrote: »

They did a facelift around 2006 and got "Lexus lights" on the back, new headlights/wings etc, number plate on the (centre mounted) spare wheel, lost the small lights on the bumper (because of the moved wheel) and got a general tidy up.

AFAIK they changed to common rail around that time too (open to correction) I'd be inclined to go with the older type as I have a fear of anything common rail on a used jeep.

Facelift was 07

thenashlegend

Hey guys just wondering what your opinion would be on this??........price has been dropped from 12995 last December!:D.........Any opinions at all welcome?
Also what do ye think of a normal Pajero?....the 3.2ltr?! Is it easier on fuel or harder?

http://www.cleary-nissan.com/used_car/used_car_detail.aspx?id=73186

Skuxx

You'd pick up a Landcruiser in your price range if you dropped back about 2 years and in my opinion you'd be getting a better car!
http://www.carzone.ie/search/Toyota/Landcruiser/3.0-D4d-/200947195932673/advert?channel=CARS

thenashlegend

well to be honest I would be pushing the budget at 9000 never mind 12k?!:rolleyes: really I'd be looking for something around 6 or 7k?!

Thanks for the input though!

Bitten & Hisses

thenashlegend wrote: »

Hey guys just wondering what your opinion would be on this??........price has been dropped from 12995 last December!:D.........Any opinions at all welcome?
Also what do ye think of a normal Pajero?....the 3.2ltr?! Is it easier on fuel or harder?

http://www.cleary-nissan.com/used_car/used_car_detail.aspx?id=73186

That Sport looks very dear.

thenashlegend

It is 05 though?....and low miles? Maybe it is dear but its about as good as I can find here in Mayo?!:rolleyes:......the same garage has a 03 for 8750! two years older and only a grand in the differnce?!:mad:

PaddyBloggit

Re. pajeros .... what's the story with fuel efficiency?

Bitten & Hisses

PaddyBloggit wrote: »

Re. pajeros .... what's the story with fuel efficiency?

Compared to cars, they drink fuel. Compared to other 4x4, they're no worse or better. I get 400 miles from a tankfull when not towing and I wouldn't be going too easy on it.

PaddyBloggit

Bitten & Hisses wrote: »

Compared to cars, they drink fuel. Compared to other 4x4, they're no worse or better. I get 400 miles from a tankfull when not towing and I wouldn't be going too easy on it.

Thanks B&H

Bitten & Hisses

thenashlegend wrote: »

It is 05 though?....and low miles? Maybe it is dear but its about as good as I can find here in Mayo?!:rolleyes:......the same garage has a 03 for 8750! two years older and only a grand in the differnce?!:mad:

Those prices are ex VAT, aren't they? I know of a dealer in Kerry who has a '05 black UK-import Shogun Sport for €8900 incl VAT and it is absolutely spotless with 60,000 miles on it. I think it's the Warrior spec with the big alloys and air con etc.

pajero12

PaddyBloggit wrote: »

Re. pajeros .... what's the story with fuel efficiency?

With the 2.5 its 30 mpg and with a trailer about 25mpg

Just got the 06 3.2 today we'll see what thats like on diesel