ISSF Air Rifle match in four-and-a-half minutes...

Sparks

Just for a bit of fun (or if you were ever curious as to what an ISSF air rifle match looks like, but didn't want to spend two hours watching one!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMqF7PB9HwM

Coronal

I like, Sparks

Maybe something similar for a 3x40 would be interesting...

dCorbus

nice one, sparks!
obviously waaaaaaay too much time on your hands!:rolleyes:

Now that's 4 Minute 29 Seconds I'll never get back again:D

Cass

Was waiting to see you running down the range after some half naked woman. Benny Hill style.

Sparks

Herself indoors refused to volunteer due to the temperature on the day ezri

rowa

you spend as much time leaning on the rifle as you do shooting it !

pullandbang

So did you win?

Theta

Total noobies question. I know little or nothing about the sport of target shooting but what is the purpose of the jacket you put on Sparks? To keep form?

Bananaman

Theta wrote: »

what is the purpose of the jacket you put on Sparks?

It's a Thunderbirds thing

F.A.B.

Sparks

Theta wrote: »

Total noobies question. I know little or nothing about the sport of target shooting but what is the purpose of the jacket you put on Sparks? To keep form?

To prevent chronic back injuries Theta. Unlike Bananaman, my rifle's actually kindof heavy


By the way B'man, you're not someone to talk about people looking funny...

Cass

Theta wrote: »

..... what is the purpose of the jacket you put on Sparks? To keep form?

Would i be right in saying there are different style jackets for different positions as in standing, prone, etc. I never shot open/peep sights before but some of the lads on the range practise it with .22lr at 50yds and one of them was explaining he has 2 jackets. Something to do with stitching, give around shoulders, when either standing or lying down.

Sparks

Technically yes ezri, in that you can buy a jacket cut for prone or a jacket cut for standing; but most jackets are cut for all three positions (standing, kneeling, prone) as most shooters outside of Ireland and the UK would shoot all three positions (we really are an oddity in the shooting world in our little neck of the woods - nowhere else shoots prone so exclusively in rifle, nowhere else shoots DTL much at all in shotgun, and nowhere else (with the possible exception of the US) do ordinary shooters get quite so engrossed in taking swipes at each others sports).

My current jacket (the one in the video) is a 3P jacket; the new one I wanted to get is as well, though I was looking at a purely standing-only jacket because I don't shoot much in the way of prone rifle anymore.

That said, there's some strong rumours that ISSF is going to ban the new materials in jackets, so the new jacket's on a temporary hold for the moment just in case...

Cass

Sparks wrote: »

That said, there's some strong rumours that ISSF is going to ban the new materials in jackets, ..............

Is it deemed to give an unfair advantage with positioning, hold, etc?

Sparks

The argument is that it's to prevent an 'arms race' between manufacturers, and return to a more classical, 1970s 'golden age' of ISSF shooting. The new materials pass all the tests in the equipment contol handbook, so they don't give any untoward advantage to the shooter (beyond not changing stiffness characteristics with temperature like canvas does and being easier to clean and longer-lasting). Coronal has one of the new jackets, I've seen it - it's very good, but he gets more from the fact that it's properly tailored than he does from its materials.

Cass

I don't understand their problem so. Its not like they are putting scafolding poles into the sleeves and effectively turning the shooter into a trigger puller only. In other words removing the human component.

I've seen lads shooting before (all calibers) and when they get up from the bench or what ever they are shooting from the rifle is still in the exact same position. A lad once told me that some people have such over the top set ups that effectively you could put a complete novice behind the butt and he could achieve top scores because of the "locked in" positioning of the rifle.

If the new jackets do not add to the shooters form, hold or ability to maintain that hold for longer periods, then i do not see the problem with them. Again this is coming from a novice point of view having never shot this discipline.

Theta

Sparks wrote: »

To prevent chronic back injuries Theta. Unlike Bananaman, my rifle's actually kindof heavy

Ah I never thought of that. I thought it was kind of stiff as to help you hold your form while shooting!

Sparks

ezridax wrote: »

I don't understand their problem so.

Committees. Some things are the same all over

I've seen lads shooting before (all calibers) and when they get up from the bench or what ever they are shooting from the rifle is still in the exact same position. A lad once told me that some people have such over the top set ups that effectively you could put a complete novice behind the butt and he could achieve top scores because of the "locked in" positioning of the rifle.

Never did get the appeal of that kind of thing - the benchrest shooting you see in the states with 20lb rifles on rails bolted to the bench just confuses me. Why would you go to all that trouble for something that has so little challange to it?

If the new jackets do not add to the shooters form, hold or ability to maintain that hold for longer periods, then i do not see the problem with them. Again this is coming from a novice point of view having never shot this discipline.

From the point of view of those in the sport, it only penalises those who've bought kit already. I can understand some changes every now and then - some of the jackets that were around five years ago in Korea were taking the mickey entirely - but we've just changed all the rules after the '04 games for equipment control, making it far more strict. Besides which, there's a recession on - now is not the time to dump this on shooters, retailers and manufacturers, all of whom would have to spend a lot to get re-tooled, re-stocked and re-equipped!

Sparks

Theta wrote: »

Ah I never thought of that. I thought it was kind of stiff as to help you hold your form while shooting!

There's a degree of stiffness, but not enough to hold form the way you'd imagine (and there's not even that in my jacket anymore, but it's at the end of it's useful life for standing shooting). You train a lot without much of the kit to develop core stability if you're smart, but you leave the trousers on to at least stabilise the lumbar vertebrae (I didn't for a few years and now I've nerve damage in my leg as a result). There's an enormous temptation to let the small of your back kindof collapse down so your elbow hits your hip while shooting (it's more stable that way) - but it's really bad for your back to do so, because that's 5.5kg of rifle held offset from your centreline while your spine is severely twisted and bent. If you had to think up a better way to cause long-term back problems, you'd have trouble doing it.

If your form is good, however, and you have the jacket and the top 18 inches of the trousers doing their job and acting like a weightlifter's belt, then you're fine. We don't start off newbies without the jacket, by the way, for just that reason - in the beginning, you don't know enough to avoid injury without the kit.

rowa

Sparks wrote: »

Committees. Some things are the same all over

Never did get the appeal of that kind of thing - the benchrest shooting you see in the states with 20lb rifles on rails bolted to the bench just confuses me. Why would you go to all that trouble for something that has so little challange to it?

i think the attraction is the engineering that goes into building the rifles , its a contest to see if the rifle i can build is better than the one you can build and i suppose the whole hobby of wildcatting and reloading (whatever that is) also comes into it.
and to be honest i see much the same thing going on in f-class , apart from ftr the whole think seems to be an equipment contest more than anything .

Cass

Sparks wrote: »

Never did get the appeal of that kind of thing - the benchrest shooting you see in the states with 20lb rifles on rails bolted to the bench just confuses me. Why would you go to all that trouble for something that has so little challange to it?!

I do Benchrest .22 shooting myself and while i try to use the best gear to stabilise the rifle i would not continue to gather equipement to the point where i do become just a trigger puller. I enjoy the sport and the challenge to continually better myself and my shooting. The breathing, holding, stabilising, wind reading it all adds to the appeal of the sport as does trying to battle these conditions.

Its the same with my F/TR shooting. The F-Class lads have the custom rifles and gear and they must get everything they can to hold the rifle steady or they get left behind by the lads that will use all the gear so i understand why some disciplines use equipement that others would not see as being fair or appropriate.

Individual choice i suppose.