Look how easy it is to gear now!

][cEMAN**

I dinged this alt on the 27th. Went raiding with my main, and spent a couple of days away from keyboard. Then 2 days ago I logged in and started doing randoms. Went to sleep and woke up the next day to do randoms. The only dungeon i've done was last night Ulduar 10 to get the weekly raid achievement.

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Blade%27s+Edge&cn=Smeed&gn=The+Immortal

I can't even afford the gems yet to put in the gear. I've done WG quests to get most of the rep to get the ones I have already.

But it's just rediculous. I could walk that toon into a few top raids now. With extra gemming, and 1 more day of randoms, I could have it ready for ICC. That's 3 days of heroics only (except for that 1 Ulduar 10), to get to ICC with gear enough to walk it.

GG Blizzard!

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Thread title was very deceptive.:(

nix

Aye, i havent played my rogue alt much over the last week and only started gearing him up about a week or so into december.

This is what gear he currently has:

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Laughing+Skull&cn=Catastrophe&gn=Redeemed

waaaaay too easy, i could walk into any raider guild as soon as i get those ****ty trinkets replaced, i keep losing on roll for the fos trinket

DarthWraak

This game has been way too easy for much longer than lolbadges

Magill

Thats nothing on my shaman, 1 week after dinging, i had an average of 241 itemlvl elemental gear and a almostly completely different healing set at 239 average itemlvl. 1 ICC run + 1 ToC10 hc + random hc's. I litterly had a full conquest set and the battered hilt mace the same day i dinged.

WellyJ

Sums up why the game is **** now.

][cEMAN**

Magill wrote: »

I litterly had a full conquest set and the battered hilt mace the same day i dinged.

210 emblems in under 24hrs? Average 5 per run, that's 42 runs. You must have done a Cartman and had your mom come collect your **** in a bucket

WellyJ

' wrote:

[cEMAN**;63763243']210 emblems in under 24hrs? Average 5 per run, that's 42 runs. You must have done a Cartman and had your mom come collect your **** in a bucket

You can get conquest emblems from doing random normal Northrend Dungeons from 70-80. Still seems unlikely that he really had a full conquest set though heh.

][cEMAN**

Even at that, I did randoms from about 76 onwards, and only stopped at 79 to do quests to get Sons of Hodir rep. Still took me 2 days to get a full set.

Fair play

Magill

haha well, by full set i mean 4 bits for set bonus. Got that head from second boss in PoS. As a healer i was storming through HC's, you can do (With a good group, which we had, guild MT + 3 guildie dps's) 5 or 6 hc's an hour easily. Fun times.

Magaa

i find that blizzard are choping there own game in half im never going to experience ulduar naxx etc

TechnoPool

Magaa wrote: »

i find that blizzard are choping there own game in half im never going to experience ulduar naxx etc

course you can, organize a pug for it. you out gear it by miles now so should be no problem.

][cEMAN**

Magaa wrote: »

iim never going to experience ulduar naxx etc

TechnoPool wrote: »

you out gear it by miles now so should be no problem.

He might see it, but he won't experience it.

Magaa

' wrote:

[cEMAN**;63767137']He might see it, but he won't experience it.

edit: never mind

Magill

^ It really is the worst thing about blizzards "Casual" approach. I hate it that new guilds just skip straight to the newest raid, new characters are transformed from blue geared alts to fully epic'd 232+ geared alts in a matter of 1 week.

TechnoPool

' wrote:

[cEMAN**;63767137']He might see it, but he won't experience it.

you mean like porn and sex?

TechnoPool

Magill wrote: »

^ It really is the worst thing about blizzards "Casual" approach. I hate it that new guilds just skip straight to the newest raid, new characters are transformed from blue geared alts to fully epic'd 232+ geared alts in a matter of 1 week.

i like this doh, ive been playing since vanilla and its actually nice to be able to gear up alts now rather quickly and not have them sitting in **** gear for ages.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

' wrote:

[cEMAN**;63761742']I dinged this alt on the 27th. Went raiding with my main, and spent a couple of days away from keyboard. Then 2 days ago I logged in and started doing randoms. Went to sleep and woke up the next day to do randoms. The only dungeon i've done was last night Ulduar 10 to get the weekly raid achievement.

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Blade%27s+Edge&cn=Smeed&gn=The+Immortal

I can't even afford the gems yet to put in the gear. I've done WG quests to get most of the rep to get the ones I have already.

But it's just rediculous. I could walk that toon into a few top raids now. With extra gemming, and 1 more day of randoms, I could have it ready for ICC. That's 3 days of heroics only (except for that 1 Ulduar 10), to get to ICC with gear enough to walk it.

GG Blizzard!

You are not even close to ICC level, stop fooling yourself. Really...

TechnoPool

cus ICC is hard

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

TechnoPool wrote: »

cus ICC is hard

So is spelling it seems... :rolleyes:

TechnoPool

Cheyenne Inexpensive Sandal wrote: »

So is spelling it seems... :rolleyes:

indd it iz

Karl Hungus

Cheyenne Inexpensive Sandal wrote: »

You are not even close to ICC level, stop fooling yourself. Really...

For ICC 10, all you need is TotC 10 gear (ilevel 232). He's got some 245 level gear and some blues. I'd say that's pretty close to ICC 10 level.

Overheal

i dunno what the fuss is about. Ironforge has been rumbling for a while now, and Cataclysm is on the way. Its fairly safe to presume all this gear youre getting so easilly will be nothing compared to what youll be wanting to drop when you get the expansion.

Take this moment to enjoy catching up to all the no-life players so all the endgame toons (or most of them) will start on fairly even footing when y'all start charging into the maelstrom.

Berns

nix wrote: »

i keep losing on roll for the fos trinket

I haven't even seen it on my rogue yet Try to getta group to do it most nights and never seems to drop

TechnoPool

Overheal wrote: »

i dunno what the fuss is about. Ironforge has been rumbling for a while now, and Cataclysm is on the way. Its fairly safe to presume all this gear youre getting so easilly will be nothing compared to what youll be wanting to drop when you get the expansion.

Take this moment to enjoy catching up to all the no-life players so all the endgame toons (or most of them) will start on fairly even footing when y'all start charging into the maelstrom.

ye the kinda did the same when TBC came out with the pvp gear.

][cEMAN**

TechnoPool wrote: »

i like this doh, ive been playing since vanilla and its actually nice to be able to gear up alts now rather quickly and not have them sitting in **** gear for ages.

This is part of the problem for mains though - the fact that people are now getting so many alts and gearing them up so easily, so sticking them into raids over their mains.

Yes the game is easy, but you do actually see a difference between people who stick to their mains and really learn it, over those who have 1 of every class, and just know a bit about each. Jack of all trades, master of none.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Overheal wrote: »

i dunno what the fuss is about. Ironforge has been rumbling for a while now, and Cataclysm is on the way. Its fairly safe to presume all this gear youre getting so easilly will be nothing compared to what youll be wanting to drop when you get the expansion.

Same as it has been for the past 5 years...

Take this moment to enjoy catching up to all the no-life players so all the endgame toons (or most of them) will start on fairly even footing when y'all start charging into the maelstrom.

I love this mentality... "he has great gear, he must be fat, ugly loner with no life and no job" :rolleyes: GTFO to be honest...

WellyJ

Overheal wrote: »

i dunno what the fuss is about. Ironforge has been rumbling for a while now, and Cataclysm is on the way. Its fairly safe to presume all this gear youre getting so easilly will be nothing compared to what youll be wanting to drop when you get the expansion.

Take this moment to enjoy catching up to all the no-life players so all the endgame toons (or most of them) will start on fairly even footing when y'all start charging into the maelstrom.

Delicious ironing

Nehaxak

I dunno, I'm actually enjoying the game more now.

My Hunter, levelled up a couple weeks ago in PvP only, sticking with BM as I got the Arcturis pet...
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Draenor&n=Nauru

Shaman, same thing, levelled in AV, now enjoying resto (Chain heal spam, yawn...)
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Draenor&n=Nehaxak

My DK, upgraded a lot of gear, my DW gear is better though...
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Draenor&n=B%C3%A1sridire

Still levelling my Rogue in AV every now and again and not bothered upgrading my Mage's gear yet.

Mainly playing the Shammy and Hunter. Both are about 35 tokens each away from the 2 Tier set piece bonuses, which I only realised lately you could buy from emblems

Also made a fair bit from selling Primordial Saronites from the Frost emblems.

Considering my Hunter and Shammy in particular had pretty crap gear at 80, yeah, that's some amount of upgrade for both of them.
In regards the crafted epics, LW patterns were bought cheap on the AH and the Orbs bought from emblems.

TechnoPool

hows the XP in av these days?

Nehaxak

' wrote:

[cEMAN**;63785401']Yes the game is easy, but you do actually see a difference between people who stick to their mains and really learn it, over those who have 1 of every class, and just know a bit about each. Jack of all trades, master of none.

I'd agree with you for the most part on that I'd have to say.
Some classes require a lot more dedication than others.

Nehaxak

TechnoPool wrote: »

hows the XP in av these days?

It's grand, I haven't seen much changes in it on my Rogue, if anything it seems to give more XP at lower levels.

Trouble is though, with the new dungeon system, there's a lot less AV's going on to level up in fast.

][cEMAN**

Overheal wrote: »

Its fairly safe to presume all this gear youre getting so easilly will be nothing compared to what youll be wanting to drop when you get the expansion.

That's nice....the fact that in future updates there'll be better gear......have you got a crystal ball for that information?

Overheal wrote: »

Take this moment to enjoy catching up to all the no-life players

My point is that there is no catch up gear wise. New players are coming in to the same level of gear as the no-lifers, yes, but it's an alt catching up with all the new to the game players as well. Casual, or hard core (doesn't exist any more really), it's mostly the same now - but only in terms of gear.

Overheal wrote: »

so all the endgame toons (or most of them) will start on fairly even footing when y'all start charging into the maelstrom.

Again, only gear wise. The issue is that people aren't on level footing with their ability to play, but the majority look at the gear as the way to grade their ability. They may as well ask for boosted achievement links.

Overheal

true but in a discussion about gearing, skills a bit off topic. youre complaining about getting gear too easily but then saying gears irrelevant anyway. So whats your point?

Delicious ironing

My highest is a 42 so no im not there yet.

have you got a crystal ball for that information?

Touchy.

Venema

i think Cataclysm if anyone is gonna play it will be a new beginning of raiding and how casual and easy it will be
i hope it aint as easy as they made it in WOTLK people do deserve to see endgame content but to be boosted to that kind of standard isnt right

][cEMAN**

Overheal wrote: »

Touchy.

No, just incredibly sarcastic when faced with captain obvious

Ivan

Iamxavier, stable the horse and put away the strawman arguments. Join the conversation if you will, but play nice please.

Everybody else, rein it back a bit please. I appreciate (every) topic(s) in this forum tends to bring about a passionate discourse, but that is no excuse for acting like a bunch of Counter-strike forum users.

Nehaxak

RopeDrink wrote: »

You rein in your CS Horse and I'll rein in my WoW Horse, tbh.

Mod Duel, outside Org NOW !!!

Overheal

' wrote:

[cEMAN**;63798441']No, just incredibly sarcastic when faced with captain obvious

OK but please ease up, I've been playing like, 2 or 3 months?

nix

Overheal wrote: »

OK but please ease up, I've been playing like, 2 or 3 months?

Then ease up on calling people that enjoy playing the game more than you, no lifers :P

On topic, gearing up is crazy easy, just look at how pimped out my shammy is after a few days, running heroics as healer sure is fast on the que front...

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Laughing+Skull&n=Madjake

:pac:

Kyri

I think its great that alts can gear up as it doesn't take a master mind to see that it was an alt not a main - With things like achievements and items like a cloak, trinkets, rings etc being still quite hard to to obtain if your bothered you can check out a char in great detail. What I like is it makes guilds recruiting spend more time to make sure the player is good rather then invite them to the guild then summon them to a boss fight that they know nothing about which was happening alot lately on my server anyways.

It's great fun though playing an alt in group with people playing their mains and being 10% ahead of them in DMG.

Ivan

Nehaxak wrote: »

Mod Duel, outside Org NOW !!!

Ah Ropey knows I'd kick his ass at CS any day! :P

Anti

Very easy to gear up atm. I had my dk sitting in some ****ty 200/213/219 gear before i closed my sub. Decided to come back for the lulz just to see how things are now and im actually supprised. This cross realm lfg is awesome as a tank or healer, bit of a pain as a dps though. ICC10/25 is just a bloody joke of a place.

But links speak louder then words i guess:

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Moonglade&n=Kontraban

TheDoc

Hardly call ICC a joke.

The first four bosses are tough at first attempt, but then by your second weeks raid you should have no problems.

The second set of bosses are a big jump imo.

I think proven by the fact theres only one guild around thats cleared the three new bosses according to mmo.

It would be a joke if you could walz through the seven bosses one first go, but it will take some attempts.

Again I'll refer back to how looking at guides and stuff does make it easy, where as we are having a really challenging time getting through trash, a fun challenge.

The ease and rate at which people can gear alts or their mains with triumph badges is only a good thing.

There is a wealth and host of pugs going for everything on outland constantly, which is great fun. Also instead of having downtime towards Thursday-Monday when I've done all my raids, I can jump on alts and do a host of heroics to get gear.

Anti

i'm sorry but first 4 bosses on 10 and 25 man in under 2 hours without knowing tactics. I call that a joke. The one problem with the lfg tool is that you have to wait 5 mins to vote kick someone, seems a bit long if you get a complete eejit in the group with you.

TheDoc

Then again the kick cooldown helps some of us who just dont meet the high standards :rolleyes:

Scram

I've been trying to get back into wow I've 4 at
max lelel and I've found it hard to pick a toon as my
main. I've played with priest and dual specced and gotten some lvl 80 gear.
I'm thinking about going as a lock or rogue now but just can't get into wow tbh

after Reading ur post I think I'll give randoms a better go.

nix

TheDoc wrote: »

Hardly call ICC a joke.

The first four bosses are tough at first attempt, but then by your second weeks raid you should have no problems.

The second set of bosses are a big jump imo.

I think proven by the fact theres only one guild around thats cleared the three new bosses according to mmo.

It would be a joke if you could walz through the seven bosses one first go, but it will take some attempts.

Again I'll refer back to how looking at guides and stuff does make it easy, where as we are having a really challenging time getting through trash, a fun challenge.

The ease and rate at which people can gear alts or their mains with triumph badges is only a good thing.

There is a wealth and host of pugs going for everything on outland constantly, which is great fun. Also instead of having downtime towards Thursday-Monday when I've done all my raids, I can jump on alts and do a host of heroics to get gear.

Wow, a whole week to adapt :rolleyes:

The content is piss easy and i will grow very bored of it very fast, im sick of this watered down content tbh..

Games, especially against the computer are ment to be challenging. Making them easier for lazy/slow people is just lame, its like playing super mario and having no mushrooms/turtles etc in the levels. How can you enjoy it when its clearly dummed down for you??

Raiding used to be a thing of overcoming the challenge and it taking weeks/months to over come a boss, now random pugs can roll through them with ease, and guilds are one shotting new bosses.


Hard modes? they are what they should be and all people get rewarded with who do them is the same loot with a minor upgrade to stats, lame.

Scram

nix wrote: »

Wow, a whole week to adapt :rolleyes:

The content is piss easy and i will grow very bored of it very fast, im sick of this watered down content tbh..

Games, especially against the computer are ment to be challenging. Making them easier for lazy/slow people is just lame, its like playing super mario and having no mushrooms/turtles etc in the levels. How can you enjoy it when its clearly dummed down for you??

Raiding used to be a thing of overcoming the challenge and it taking weeks/months to over come a boss, now random pugs can roll through them with ease, and guilds are one shotting new bosses.


Hard modes? they are what they should be and all people get rewarded with who do them is the same loot with a minor upgrade to stats, lame.

i was gonna post about how if i joined a random pug heroic that my dps wouldnt be up to scratch and id probably get kicked but your comment just says it all about the folks that play wow. I joined a BG the other day on my rogue who i havnt got any decent gear for and someones link the 2 level 70 swords i have from TBC Bg's? I mean **** off i know my gear is **** thats why im playing was what i was thinking.

what about the casual gamer who hasnt hours to play? Sure content shouldnt be "piss easy" especially the new raid stuff (i raided most of TBC bar the black temple and other place..) but spare a thought for those of us who cant/wont commit to the time sink involved again..

nix

I'm talking raids here, not heroics. I dont mind boosting randomers in heroics at all, i do it all the time.

I'm talking about the content difficulty and i believe people should have to raid through everything to gain the experience to take on the tougher challenges. So if you ding 80 you should have to join a guild thats raiding naxx, then go ulduar and then go toc, then icc.. etc

The raids should get harder as we progress, not be easy all the time.

everybody has to start somewhere, they just shouldn't start at the top :cool:

Alot of people skip the learning curve of the game, join a guild with good gear and no experience, get blasted when they are found out to be clueless of how to play their class, know tactics and then moan about those people being "elitists", its silly really. and i tire of people being ignorant to it and blaming everybody but themselves.

Scram wrote: »

what about the casual gamer who hasnt hours to play? Sure content shouldnt be "piss easy" especially the new raid stuff (i raided most of TBC bar the black temple and other place..) but spare a thought for those of us who cant/wont commit to the time sink involved again..

If i wanted i could commit 2-3 hours for 3 evenings a week and raid in a high end guild, totaling 6-9 hours a week to be at the level im at, its not that much to be honest. I play more than that though as i raid on my alts etc too, its cold outside damnit! :P

TheDoc

The point is

When you experienced these " hardcore raids" you did them with 40 people, and had no aid like there is today.

Content today is 10 or 25, and a stupid amount of help on the internet.

If you have the dps numbers, the healing numbers, and tanks with half a brain, you can read all the guides that hold your hand and walk you through.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, try doing the raids without looking at guides, and you'll see they are clever, inventive and for the first few times...tough.

I take more pride in the fact of downing bosses after I have(with guild) figured the fight out ourselves and cleared, more then one shotting a boss after spending an hour reading a guide : /

I'd also question where is the skill of the so called "uber guilds and player" who are effectively, reading a walkthrough guide : /


I would also point out that there is no heroic mode out yet, so I'd really stop having a " watered down content" whinge.

When ToC came out my guild got through it pretty quickly on 10 man, 2 hours max first go to clear it.

So the 10 man ICC is a step up alright from ToC, but not enough that it excludes everyone. And the new three bosses are another step up again, as will the final two tiers.

Then you have them all, in heroic, and if thats a piece of piss ( proved by the amount of pugs completing it) then I'll bow down to that style of thinking.

Theres still no ToTGC pugs on my server that actually complete the instance.