Luas Green Line Extension to Cherrywood

D'Peoples Voice

D.L.R. wrote: »

, and the general weaving route around the sandyford area, 90 degree turns around empty office blocks, etc. It is gonna be a lot slower than it aught to have been. But hey... Irlanda.

I agree, on Adelaide road, we have a Government building on the left as the Luas takes a hard left turn, and then as it takes a hard right around what was a service station in my day, I believe its Starbucks now, built only 2-3 years before the luas, you just have to wonder what type of planning was going in Dublin city council:mad: Anyone would think we've a shortage of office buildings - could Dublin city council not have coerced the developers to buy the land around Manhatten bar and George Bernard Shaw pub and build the office buildings there!

GerardKeating

D'Peoples Voice wrote: »

could Dublin city council not have coerced the developers to buy the land around Manhatten bar and George Bernard Shaw pub and build the office buildings there!

Maybe the developers were afraid the luas would restrict access to any car park they would plan for the building :rolleyes:

Mezcita

Any idea how long Cherrywood to Stephen's Green will take once it's up and running?

Edit: Oops. Got it. Should learn to read.

Wild Bill

D.L.R. wrote: »

Yeah we're so on top of building lines through areas that need them haha.

In the case of the Green Line extension - 100% correct. :cool:

serfboard

Mezcita wrote: »

Any idea how long Cherrywood to Stephen's Green will take once it's up and running?

Edit: Oops. Got it. Should learn to read.

And here's the answer just in case anyone else is interested.

RPA wrote:

Q: What is the journey time to the City Centre from Cherrywood?

A: The journey time from Cherrywood to the City Centre is likely to be approximately 39 minutes.

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Wild Bill

There are six new sets of traffic lights on 3km long Ballyogan Road; all related to the Luas. Two of them were switched on today. And the plastic covers were removed from the names of the various stops.

Still haven't seen a Luas.

The excitement is becoming unbearable.

I may camp out there tonight. :cool:

Wild Bill

Still haven't seen one.

But all the traffic lights (5 sets) on the Ballyogan Road are now in operation (:().

And the Luas signals are working.

And the halts are all lit up and look very pretty on this warm summer night.

And I left the card for the camera at home when I went over there to take a few photos :mad:

spacetweek

D.L.R. wrote: »

Yeah we're so on top of building lines through areas that need them haha.

Actually all the new lines are going through areas that need them. Adamstown, Parkwest, Clongriffin - high density areas based around PT. Kishogue, Hansfield, Brennanstown future development areas.

We've created a situation that when the property market eventually recovers in a few years and new residential construction gets underway citywide, -shock horror!- we won't need to build any transportation infrastructure for them. It'll already be in place. Makes a refreshing change.

Pity the Green extension is a bit convoluted around the Sandyford-Central Park stretch. They spent a bomb on that huge Lep roundabout overbridge. Should really just have blitzed the apartment block here and overpassed the lot. You could eventually, but you'd have to shut down the service for ages.

Plasmoid

Seen a good few Luas trams go past. They always seem to either first thing after rush hour in the morning, or at midnight.

2 Just wen't out past me at Central Park, and 1 has come back since.

They must have some night owls for test drivers.

Here's some photos since none have been posted.





Need to get a night photo. They go past all hazards blazing.

etchyed

Wild Bill wrote: »

Still haven't seen a Luas.

Plasmoid wrote: »

Seen a good few Luas go past.

Luas is a brand name for the system as a whole. The vehicles are called trams.

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Wild Bill

Plasmoid wrote: »

Seen a good few Luas trams go past. They always seem to either first thing after rush hour in the morning, or at midnight.

2 Just wen't out past me at Central Park, and 1 has come back since.

They must have some night owls for test drivers.

Here's some photos since none have been posted.





Need to get a night photo. They go past all hazards blazing.

Wow! You actually live in one of those unoccupied apartments the Luas twists around :eek:!

Nice pics - I agree with the person above who says they should have demolished that block of apartments (which were built months before the Luas extension was agreed - that's planning for ye).

spacetweek

Wild Bill wrote: »

Wow! You actually live in one of those unoccupied apartments the Luas twists around :eek:!

Nice pics - I agree with the person above who says they should have demolished that block of apartments (which were built months before the Luas extension was agreed - that's planning for ye).

When were they built exactly? The Luas Green Line was planned (originally as Metro) to run along its current alignment as far back as 1999. It appeared in A Platform For Change transport document.

So unless the flats were built before 1999 then we got ourselves a serious SNAFU.

Wild Bill

They were built circa 2001 or 2002. No earlier.

I've just checked my 2002 (Special Olympics) edition of the Dublin Atlas and the apartments are not there.

spacetweek

Wild Bill wrote: »

They were built circa 2001 or 2002. No earlier.

I've just checked my 2002 (Special Olympics) edition of the Dublin Atlas and the apartments are not there.

Opened in 2001/2002; construction started a year before; PP sought/granted another year before that, putting it at 1999: the same year Platform for Change decided the land was needed for the railway. Sounds like PFC was a tiny bit late. Pisser.

bg07

Timetable for the Cherrywood extension is out now. Opening date given as October. No exact date given.

Link

BigMoose

Are they seriously saying that despite building the thing out towards the M50/M11 junction there are no P&R facilities provided after Sandyford??

irishguy

So will you have to change to go the full length of the line?

Judgement Day

irishguy wrote: »

So will you have to change to go the full length of the line?

No.

spacetweek

BigMoose wrote: »

Are they seriously saying that despite building the thing out towards the M50/M11 junction there are no P&R facilities provided after Sandyford??

I'm around 80% sure there's P&R at Cherrywood.

Roryhy

spacetweek wrote: »

I'm around 80% sure there's P&R at Cherrywood.

P&R will be at Carrickmines.

KC61

irishguy wrote: »

So will you have to change to go the full length of the line?

No - trams will operate either from St Stephen's Green to Sandyford or from St Stephen's Green to Bride's Glen.

dowlingm

Is there any room/access for P&R at Brennanstown in the event that the opening day ones are swamped and the option to open the stop was put back on the table?

Wild Bill

Major News Announcement

I saw my first Luas on the Ballyogan Road last week and since then I have seen several more.

Plasmoid

Congrats Bill

They've been running them every 20 minutes the last couple of days (except sunday)

Not sure wheter they are trying to break the trams or set new speed records.

It's quite funny when there are traffice jams at the Sandyford stop. The tend to leave the trams parked up after a test run and go get a cuppa or something. The other day there were 2 trams parked up, and a 3rd waiting at Stillorglan and the 1 driver around had to scatter to move them to make way

Wild Bill

And now I can exclusively announce......ba ba ba boom! The Green Line Extension is opening at 11am. Saturday the 16th of October!



http://www.rpa.ie/en/news/Pages/LuasCherrywoodLaunchEvents.aspx



(And they said it would never happen!)

Here's one I took earlier, back in June, before the trams came!

LeinsterDub

Why has these extensions (including the C1 line) been less disruptive than the original 2 luas lines?

• Out of sight, out of mind? The majority of people don't see the work everyday or the week.
• Out of town? It is because they are further out and so cause less disruption (C1 isn't really that far out).
• The RPA and developers have learnt from pass mistakes?
• The operation of the two lines exciting meant the people where still able to use the service unlike the original construction where nothing appeared to be happening for years?
• People have seen what a success the 2 line have been and are more patient with the extension works?

KC61

Primarily they are not actually being built on major arteries. That's the main reason - they are all off-street or on a relatively minor street (Mayor Street).

Wild Bill

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Why has these extensions (including the C1 line) been less disruptive than the original 2 luas lines?

• Out of sight, out of mind? The majority of people don't see the work everyday or the week.
• Out of town? It is because they are further out and so cause less disruption (C1 isn't really that far out).
• The RPA and developers have learnt from pass mistakes?
• The operation of the two lines exciting meant the people where still able to use the service unlike the original construction where nothing appeared to be happening for years?
• People have seen what a success the 2 line have been and are more patient with the extension works?

Well, in the case of the green line extension to Cherrywood it passes through an area that has been the scene on non-stop construction for the past 20 years. People are used to seeing the benefits after a bit of inconvenience.

Because it is mostly a new modern area the Nimbyism that grips most of Ireland hasn't had time to develop in Sandyford and surrounding areas.

And of course once you pass Carrickmines and get back onto the old Harcourt St line there are only cows to be affected. And they don't seem to care one way or another. :cool:

Wild Bill

The Leopardstown Valley stop on the Ballyogan Road is ready to go!

Saturday morning 11am. Be there or be square! :cool:

Zebra3

Some people seem pretty keen.

Judgement Day

Nice pics, I'm really looking foward to the opening of the Green Line extension and would go up for the day but it clashes with Munster vs Toulon at Thomond Park.
I gave a fond mention to the late Seamus Brennan for his contribution to the Luas projects on yet another blog that I'm working on. Despite all his faults, apart from being in FF, he was one of the most pro-rail transport ministers that this country has ever seen.



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TimeToShine

Whoever decided not to link the Luas to UCD is far and beyond the stupidest human being on the planet.

Judgement Day

TimeToShine wrote: »

Whoever decided not to link the Luas to UCD is far and beyond the stupidest human being on the planet.

How would that have been done?

LeinsterDub

TimeToShine wrote: »

Whoever decided not to link the Luas to UCD is far and beyond the stupidest human being on the planet.

Stupider than the human being who decided not to link the two lines ?

TimeToShine

Judgement Day wrote: »

How would that have been done?

I'm not really a Civil Engineer so I can't post my powerpoint display and sketches illustrating my ideas for this project...but the money they would've made from it is quite absurd.

Propellerhead

Judgement Day wrote: »

Nice pics, I'm really looking foward to the opening of the Green Line extension and would go up for the day but it clashes with Munster vs Toulon at Thomond Park.
I gave a fond mention to the late Seamus Brennan for his contribution to the Luas projects on yet another blog that I'm working on. Despite all his faults, apart from being in FF, he was one of the most pro-rail transport ministers that this country has ever seen.



http://luasland.blogspot.com/ - currently hidden except for this page.

Amen to that, and I'm certainly no Fianna Failer. Without Seamus Brennan I doubt if Luas and in particular the Harcourt Street Line would have happened in the timescale that they did.

Judgement Day

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Stupider than the human being who decided not to link the two lines ?

An old chestnut - what would have been the point of linking the two lines? Far better to have extended the Green Line to Connolly via Pearse which would have attracted lots of extra traffic to Luas. The obsession with linking the two tram routes - still being persisted with - is nonsense as there will be no through running and even if there were few would take the long way round from A to B. All Dublin Bus routes do not terminate on the same street in the City Centre.

LeinsterDub

Judgement Day wrote: »

All Dublin Bus routes do not terminate on the same street in the City Centre.

No but it appears the majority have to at least run through the same street .

As for the lines I was thinking more in terms of passenger interchange not inter-movement of trams so you idea would be fine

DWCommuter

Judgement Day wrote: »

An old chestnut - what would have been the point of linking the two lines? Far better to have extended the Green Line to Connolly via Pearse which would have attracted lots of extra traffic to Luas. The obsession with linking the two tram routes - still being persisted with - is nonsense as there will be no through running and even if there were few would take the long way round from A to B. All Dublin Bus routes do not terminate on the same street in the City Centre.

Sorry JD I have to disagree with that.

I don't believe the non linking of the red and green lines is an old chestnut. It is a blatant example of poor planning that came from poor governance and potential nimbyism. It was abandoned on the basis of a real old chestnut - the conversion of the green line to a metro.

Of course if MN is built you get your link up of sorts. But this should never take away from the fact that leaving these lines isolated from each other was reckless. For a start it would have provided southside access to Connolly and Heuston without a trek across town by foot, taxi or bus. It would have allowed easier public transport access across the city opening up many potential commutes that may already exist and are done by car.

The link up wasn't built because it was fudged after the clamour of discontent from business interests and not because it was a bad idea. Bertie Ahern in opposition is famed for screaming across the Dail that if he was in Government, the streets wouldn't be dug up.

legaleagle10

TimeToShine wrote: »

Whoever decided not to link the Luas to UCD is far and beyond the stupidest human being on the planet.

I agree timeToShine...also...Does anyone know if the new luas line goes to Stephen's green directly or does it involve switching trams at Sandyford to get into town... should be a complete link up i think

thanks

Judgement Day

legaleagle10 wrote: »

I agree timeToShine...also...Does anyone know if the new luas line goes to Stephen's green directly or does it involve switching trams at Sandyford to get into town... should be a complete link up i think

thanks

Straight through to St.Stephen's Green.

LeinsterDub

legaleagle10 wrote: »

I agree timeToShine...also...Does anyone know if the new luas line goes to Stephen's green directly or does it involve switching trams at Sandyford to get into town... should be a complete link up i think

thanks

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=67754551&postcount=76

legaleagle10

thanks JD - will be using it so!

dowlingm

TimeToShine wrote: »

Whoever decided not to link the Luas to UCD is far and beyond the stupidest human being on the planet.

You could just as easily say UCD should have built along the Harcourt Street line. Of course, in the 60s trains and trams were SO OVER MAN.

LeinsterDub

dowlingm wrote: »

You could just as easily say UCD should have built along the Harcourt Street line. Of course, in the 60s trains and trams were SO OVER MAN.

Trams where so over by the 1930. At least according to Royal Commission on Transport, 1930

http://www.tara.tcd.ie/bitstream/2262/3942/1/jssisiVolXVIXPart3_136158.pdf

Carawaystick

TimeToShine wrote: »

Whoever decided not to link the Luas to UCD is far and beyond the stupidest human being on the planet.

Luas was linked to UCD, get off at the POD, and through Iveagh Gardens. there ya are.

Obviously not an engineer.:p

bestie

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/features/2010/1015/1224281144290.html

free travel this Sat - can't wait

Cookie_Monster

TimeToShine wrote: »

Whoever decided not to link the Luas to UCD is far and beyond the stupidest human being on the planet.

why?

UCD is very well served by buses already, not to mention the QBC. where would you have routed the Luas to connect it to Belfield in a reasonable manner? Places like Sandyford needed it more as they have **** all useful buses.

I'm not saying it shouldn't be but I don't really see how it could be done suitably given the routing of the old Harcourt line that it by and large follows

Aard

He already admitted to not being an engineer. Tbh, I would have expected at least a crayon-ing.

Wild Bill

Judgement Day wrote: »

I gave a fond mention to the late Seamus Brennan for his contribution to the Luas projects on yet another blog that I'm working on. Despite all his faults, apart from being in FF, he was one of the most pro-rail transport ministers that this country has ever seen.



http://luasland.blogspot.com/ - currently hidden except for this page.

Amen to that! I knew him too (my constituency) - he was way too reflective and practical and "non-stroke pulling" to be in FF when you think about it. Respect to the man. :cool: