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Audi Quattros (A4, A6 etc.) and are they good in snowy weather?

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  • #32
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,717 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Anan1 wrote: »
    Even if it was, is 198km/h on that road in those conditions safe? If he'd hit the oncoming car he'd almost certainly have killed anyone in both cars.

    You're right, if you hit anything at those speeds, it will be ugly, but you can pick any speed and at will be unsafe at some stage.

    He's demonstrated good car control - smoothness above all - and that's key, especially in performance driving.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #33
    SomeDude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 286 ✭✭SomeDude


    galwaytt wrote: »
    he didn't do 198kph anywhere near the pedestrians.

    Sorry, I forgot that he has APD (Audi pedestrian detector) fitted as an option. It's a brilliant safety feature - it helps you see around corners.


  • #34
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,717 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    SomeDude wrote: »
    Sorry, I forgot that he has APD (Audi pedestrian detector) fitted as an option. It's a brilliant safety feature - it helps you see around corners.


    ok, I took my own advice and watched it again. Maybe you should try it.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #35
    Matt Simis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,574 ✭✭✭Matt Simis


    Amusing and informative (if obviously biased somewhat) thread on AudiSRS on driving their S4 / RS4 Quattro's in the recent UK snow:
    http://audisrs.com/Grip_In_Snow_about9594.html

    Bear in mind most of these lads have ultra performance Summer tyres (ie useless in the cold) and 300-500bhp purring under the bonnet.


    Some AWD carpark spins:

    th_Video001.jpg
    EDIT- Note post hoppers, not the video people are arguing about below. ;)


  • #36
    SomeDude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 286 ✭✭SomeDude


    galwaytt wrote: »
    ok, I took my own advice and watched it again. Maybe you should try it.

    Yep, there are still bends and pedestrians in the video...


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  • #37
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,717 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    SomeDude wrote: »
    Yep, there are still bends and pedestrians in the video...

    yep, bends in the middle, no issue there. pedestrians at the end, not doing the big speed of earlier. No issue there, either.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #38
    SomeDude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 286 ✭✭SomeDude


    galwaytt wrote: »
    yep, bends in the middle, no issue there. pedestrians at the end, not doing the big speed of earlier. No issue there, either.

    I think you are missing the point. He cannot predict what is around each bend.


  • #39
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,717 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    SomeDude wrote: »
    I think you are missing the point. He cannot predict what is around each bend.

    You're correct of course - but don't let a wide angle lens at the back of the car inform you of what the driver can see.

    I put a camera on my bike around the TT years ago, and did the up-at-6-before-they-close-the-roads practice run thing, and I have to say, what came out bore no resemblance to the actual experience, which makes me wonder just how they make F1 'look' fast........

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #40
    peasant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,789 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    tt ...you're fighting a losing battle.

    That guy drove like a dick and you know it.


  • #41
    SomeDude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 286 ✭✭SomeDude


    On a complete tangent, I like the look of those 968s, very nice indeed. Surprised they haven't found a home.


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  • #42
    ddarraghh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 58 ✭✭ddarraghh


    the guy in the video is a gob****e
    he drove too fast and risked other peoples lives ,and it was so cool in his head, he recorded it .
    no doubt that driver is inexperienced ,anyone used to driving at that speed knows the risks inolved and would not risks other peoples lives,
    unless they are total ****

    also his seating position looks to be wrong


  • #43
    tossy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,599 ✭✭✭tossy


    Are pedestrians the only threat in that video? he is driving at insane speeds through an open wood land if a deer or other animal was to come out on to the road......

    It's all very well,looking at his 'slick' car control,but when you have to brake hard on those type of road conditions the picture changes.

    He drove like an idiot end of story.


  • #44
    ddarraghh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 58 ✭✭ddarraghh


    agree but
    i didnt see any control just luck


  • #45
    copacetic
    Subscribers Posts: 16,806 ✭✭✭✭copacetic


    with the bigger engined car that most of the quattros come with it makes a massive difference, especially on year round tyres.

    I've driven a few audi 3.0L quattros in slippy conditions and they grip really well, especially going around bends and pulling away. In comparison my car (RWD) is absolutely ****e in snowy weather, or even wet weather on sharp bends. Now you do get used to it, but in last years snow even with the most careful driving I couldn't get in and out of my estate, due to a steep hill with a curve. A lot of others got stuck too, but most of that was bad driving.

    I have driven a similar car to mine with winter tyres and it makes a massive difference also.


    So for snow driving, in order of pref:
    4 wheel drive with winter tyres.
    Rear wheel drive with winter tyres ~= 4 wheel with summer tyres.
    Rear wheel with summer tyres and weights in the boot.
    Rear wheel with slicks and no weights in the boot
    4 wheel drive with summer tyres.

    However for the few days a year I don't mind too much.


  • #46
    peasant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,789 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    4WD with summer tyres


  • #47
    ToxicPaddy
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,760 Mod ✭✭✭✭ToxicPaddy


    Next car is definitely going to be a quattro.. have a FWD A6 at the moment and drove a 46 quattro a friend of mine has, what a car!! serious grip and feels so solid on the road .

    If you're looking for serious off roader, this isnt the car for you, but if you're looking for something that gives excellent grip in all road conditions, its the one..

    Get a diesel by the way, the quattro adds about 30% onto the weight of the car from what I'm told, so the mpg wouldnt be that good for petrol. I may be wrong though, some of the guys here would know more than me.

    Tox


  • #48
    tossy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,599 ✭✭✭tossy


    ToxicPaddy wrote: »
    Get a diesel by the way, the quattro adds about 30% onto the weight of the car from what I'm told, so the mpg wouldnt be that good for petrol. I may be wrong though, some of the guys here would know more than me.

    Tox

    quattro + Diesel = a good car to bring the cattle to the mart.

    quattro + Petrol = A proper car

    :D


  • #49
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,717 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    tossy wrote: »
    quattro + Diesel = a good car to bring the cattle to the mart.:D

    .....which makes the one in the aforementioned-video THE car to have then, for those attending Athenry mart, on Tuesdays...... :D

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #50
    Matt Simis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,574 ✭✭✭Matt Simis


    ToxicPaddy wrote: »
    Get a diesel by the way, the quattro adds about 30% onto the weight of the car from what I'm told, so the mpg wouldnt be that good for petrol. I may be wrong though, some of the guys here would know more than me.

    Tox

    God no, try less than 5%. A 30% weight penalty would effectively remove any handling improvement as well as absolutely murder MPG.

    A4 2.0 TFSI AWD - 1490kg
    http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=121407

    A4 2.0 TFSI FWD - 1425kg
    http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=121660


  • #51
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,531 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    copacetic wrote: »
    Rear wheel with summer tyres and weights in the boot.

    "Weights in the boot" is exactly the magic keyword for a RWD car with the engine in the front.

    It's not that FWD is better, AWD is better or RWD is better. It's that you have to adjust your driving and your car to the situation.

    My very first car was a VW LT31. Now, that's a 2.4D 3.2t van with the engine under the front seat and RWD. In the winter (in Denmark, where I'm from), I was running around with a bunch of concrete slabs in the back, to even be able to get anywhere. Works the magic.

    Same with the BMW's. Stick a couple of sandbags, sacks of concrete, concrete slabs or something likewise heavy in your boot and with good tyres you should have no issues in this weather.

    The reason why FWD cars handle better in this weather is because the weight of the engine helps them getting grip. The same is for RWD cars with middle motor or for example Porsche, where most have the engine behind the rear axle.

    AWD will always be a help, compared to RWD or FWD, but you've got other downsides.

    Remember, neither Volvo nor Saab did originally build AWD cars. Volvo only introduced them with the Volvo XC70. And Saab and Volvo are build for extreme weather like heavily snow in the winter.

    /M


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  • #52
    ToxicPaddy
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,760 Mod ✭✭✭✭ToxicPaddy


    Matt Simis wrote: »
    God no, try less than 5%. A 30% weight penalty would effectively remove any handling improvement as well as absolutely murder MPG.

    A4 2.0 TFSI AWD - 1490kg
    http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=121407

    A4 2.0 TFSI FWD - 1425kg
    http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=121660

    I stand corrected :D


  • #53
    ToxicPaddy
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,760 Mod ✭✭✭✭ToxicPaddy


    tossy wrote: »
    quattro + Diesel = a good car to bring the cattle to the mart.

    quattro + Petrol = A proper car

    :D

    Ah I wouldnt sniff at a 3.0TDi Quattro if I was given the chance to get my hands on one.. And I dont go anywhere near cattle marts!! :D


  • #54
    SouperComputer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,946 ✭✭✭SouperComputer


    Quattro\4WD is nice for moving off, but as pointed out makes no difference in braking ability. Start with good tyres and move from there. Drove through almost 1ft of snow this morning in a (correctly tyred) FWD car with no issues.


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