Licences Refused

lead loader

Got my refusal letters in the post this morning:mad::mad:. Identical letter for my 9mm pistol and my .357 revolver. I was told that the Chief of the Division was not going to allow any restricted short firearms in his division. Obviously that was correct! Letters seem to be a standard format. If i am not mistaking the Issuing authority has to give you reason for refusal in writing. If i appeal decision to D.C does Chief have to stick with reasons given on refusal letter, or can he put any arguement forward on the day of the appeal.

murph226

lead loader wrote: »

Got my refusal letters in the post this morning:mad::mad:. Identical letter for my 9mm pistol and my .357 revolver. I was told that the Chief of the Division was not going to allow any restricted short firearms in his division. Obviously that was correct! Letters seem to be a standard format. If i am not mistaking the Issuing authority has to give you reason for refusal in writing. If i appeal decision to D.C does Chief have to stick with reasons given on refusal letter, or can he put any arguement forward on the day of the appeal.

Sorry to hear that bud, in the same boat myself! I have yet to see anyone with a new license for a centerfire:eek:

knockon

Sorry to hear that and join the club.


However Murph - 2 X 9mm Pistols licensed in County Clare.

Sparks

Don't forget:

NASRPC website wrote:

For any Shooter who has been sent a letter of refusal for a Firearm or a letter
Requiring further information related to a Firearm Application.
Please scan a copy of the letter and email it to:
refusals@nasrpc.ie
Please also contact any member of the committee.

Tricky1127

lead loader wrote: »

Got my refusal letters in the post this morning:mad::mad:. Identical letter for my 9mm pistol and my .357 revolver. I was told that the Chief of the Division was not going to allow any restricted short firearms in his division. Obviously that was correct! Letters seem to be a standard format. If i am not mistaking the Issuing authority has to give you reason for refusal in writing. If i appeal decision to D.C does Chief have to stick with reasons given on refusal letter, or can he put any arguement forward on the day of the appeal.

Hi Lead Loader, So sorry to see people telling you how you can spend your pass time! i take it your not a child.!!! so are you being treated like this? Once again i`m sorry for you and i hope this BS can be sorted its just not on.
Regards T:mad:

rowa

did the refusal letter state that the chief super wasn't going to allow any restricted short firearms in his area ?

if so i think thats illegal as every application has to be judged on its own merits under the law .

am i right or wrong ?

lead loader

Thanks for the support lads! I was talking to a Garda today that told me that .22 firearms only make up about thirty to forty of the restricted licences issued so far as referred to by the Minister in the Dail on the 10th of December. That means that there are at least 30 to 40 cf pistols/revolvers licensed so far!! I love to know what happened to the 'level playing pitch' that the new legislation was going to introduce :eek:

lead loader

rowa wrote: »

did the refusal letter state that the chief super wasn't going to allow any restricted short firearms in his area ?

if so i think thats illegal as every application has to be judged on its own merits under the law .

am i right or wrong ?

You are right Rowa,
Chief has to look at each individual application. I heard 'off the record' from a buddy that the chief wouldnt issue any licences for handguns in his division! Looks like my buddy was right:mad:

crimestat

I got the letter....mayo 9mm– chief now retired for big pension he declined everyone my friend has had his interview in Galway last week for a 9 as well he is hopeful. I am appealing mine with William Egan & Associates, Solicitors, 101 Lower Baggot Street, Dublin 2. They seem to be in the loop.. has anyone heard anything about them.

lead loader

I was originally refused my licence for a 9mm pistol by the local Superintendent. I appealed his decision through the district court. i lost in the district and i went to Willie Egan to appeal to higher courts. Willie Egan really knows his stuff. Very down to earth and easy to talk to and very thourough when it comes to the legal stuff!! i have already been on to his office again to appeal this latest refusal through the courts;)

jwshooter

lead loader wrote: »

I was originally refused my licence for a 9mm pistol by the local Superintendent. I appealed his decision through the district court. i lost in the district and i went to Willie Egan to appeal to higher courts. Willie Egan really knows his stuff. Very down to earth and easy to talk to and very thourough when it comes to the legal stuff!! i have already been on to his office again to appeal this latest refusal through the courts;)

fair post for your 6th .

safety in numbers A

crimestat

Thanks for the info man, I realy think we are screwed, I have lost hope and the sad thing is it was great crack.But I will fight this thing

lead loader

Don't give up hope crimestat. I am normally 'the glass is half empty' kind of guy, but not in this case. The spirit of the Criminal Justice Misc Prov Act 2009 was to allow existing shooters hold on to their guns. If the Minister wanted to have an outright ban on handguns he had the power to do so, but he chose not to. Let the Courts deceide whats going to happen

crimestat

Thankslead loader I am trying to be positive, but when you get a letter stating you have no good reason for having a 9mm it is hard to come up with one. I am a member of 3 clubs and secretary of one. I have had pistols since 1998 in the US and Ireland as I was an 80,s emigrant and got into it over there. They are great, fun more challenging than .22 etc does not seem to cut it. I can see their point; I would not like to see Ireland have the same gun culture as the states but at the same time I enjoy shooting and making new friends who are like minded and let’s face it it’s a great day out, rain hail or sunshine.

crimestat

Sorry I meant 1988

Kryten

crimestat wrote: »

Thankslead loader I am trying to be positive, but when you get a letter stating you have no good reason for having a 9mm it is hard to come up with one. I am a member of 3 clubs and secretary of one. I have had pistols since 1998 in the US and Ireland as I was an 80,s emigrant and got into it over there. They are great, fun more challenging than .22 etc does not seem to cut it. I can see their point; I would not like to see Ireland have the same gun culture as the states but at the same time I enjoy shooting and making new friends who are like minded and let’s face it it’s a great day out, rain hail or sunshine.

Look, some of us are participating in a sport which requires centerfire handguns. period. If you were involved in this sport you would be as touchy as the rest of us CF pistol shooters about it. The fact that we participate in this discipline and are winning international medals at it, is easily sufficient reason to be able to renew our licences. A .22 pistol simply will not do. The international governing body for the sport, will not allow .22 in its events.

rrpc

crimestat wrote: »

They are great, fun more challenging than .22 etc does not seem to cut it.

Every shooting sport presents it's own challenges. It's irrelevant what calibre you use; they all have their own appeal and their own levels.

Air pistol being a case in point

meathshooter

got a lovely christmas present from the CS today refused my 9mm pistol he was not satisfied I had sufficient reason for requiring the firearm and that the firearm is the only type of weapon (his words) that is appropriate for the purpose for which it was required and offered me annex F

murph226

meathshooter wrote: »

got a lovely christmas present from the CS today refused my 9mm pistol he was not satisfied I had sufficient reason for requiring the firearm and that the firearm is the only type of weapon (his words) that is appropriate for the purpose for which it was required and offered me annex F

Sorry to hear the bad news, I know the feeling!
Seems like a standard letter, a friend of mine got the same for a 22 revolver:rolleyes:

meathshooter

it seems to be the standard letter worked out between all the chief supers and the minister stands up in the dail and says there is no policy

rrpc

meathshooter wrote: »

got a lovely christmas present from the CS today refused my 9mm pistol he was not satisfied I had sufficient reason for requiring the firearm and that the firearm is the only type of weapon (his words) that is appropriate for the purpose for which it was required and offered me annex F

Actually not his words:

Firearms Act wrote:

4(2)(h)(i) has a good and sufficient reason for requiring such a firearm, and
(ii) has demonstrated that the firearm is the only type of weapon that is appropriate for the purpose for which it is required.

meathshooter

Actually not his words:

I only meant the weapon part

meathshooter

on the appeal in the district can he only go by the wording in the letter of refusal?

rrpc

meathshooter wrote: »

Actually not his words:

I only meant the weapon part

Still not his words . Direct quote from the Act.

rrpc

meathshooter wrote: »

on the appeal in the district can he only go by the wording in the letter of refusal?

It's very broad. He's said not appropriate for the purpose, so he's going to take your 9mm and 'prove' it's not a target pistol, and 'good and sufficient reason' can be very subjective.

I still maintain that the best attack on this form of refusal is that the one you're applying for is the one you have and you had a good reason when you got it licensed first. It's also not possible under the current firearms act to change it for something that will do the same job as no new applications for centre fire pistols will be considered. Shooting in a club that's authorised for centre fire pistol by the Gardai is a very good reason for having it and using it for the purposes of competition within a specific discipline that requires centre fire pistols is a good reason why a .22 target pistol would not be appropriate.

crimestat

Well it’s all official now got the letter from William Egan & Associates; my case will be heard on the 25th March in Castlebar. :eek:

freddieot

Best of luck ! (Still waiting on my CS to make a decision)

meathshooter

crimestat wrote: »

Well it’s all official now got the letter from William Egan & Associates; my case will be heard on the 25th March in Castlebar. :eek:

Iam going down the same road was on to Willie today retaining his service have to say his is on the ball and the best of luck to you crimestat

crimestat

Thanks meathshooter March is 3 months away a lot can happen. The problem now is I do not have a current licence so I cannot shoot in Midlands what is the story until March. My local Sergeant told me he would not confiscate the pistol until the appeal was over even though he was instructed to by the ex super. I am in a bit of a limbo; do you know can I range shoot over the holidays anywhere without a current license?

murph226

crimestat wrote: »

Thanksmeathshooter March is 3 months away a lot can happen. The problem now is I do not have a current licence so I cannot shoot in Midlands what is the story until March. My local Sergeant told me he would not confiscate the pistol until the appeal was over even though he was instructed to by the ex super. I am in a bit of a limbo; do you know can I range shoot over the holidays anywhere without a current license?

Play it safe, get the firearm to a dealer!

No one in their right mind will let you onto a range with a firearm that you don't hold a current cert for, not to mind shoot it!

crimestat

I thought as much I’ll drop it in after Christmas

murph226

Good luck with the appeal!

Grizzly 45

Got my letter today from the new C Super in Limerick,today
REFUSED...
Same BS not appropriate ,no good reason etc.
Merry Feckin Xmas!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

murph226

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Got my letter today from the new C Super in Limerick,today
REFUSED...
Same BS not appropriate ,no good reason etc.
Merry Feckin Xmas!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Sorry to hear that Griz, its fairly depressing alright:(

Its frustrating that someone can just take your chosen sport/hobby away from you like that, I've just tried not to think about it too much.
I really enjoyed the craic with the lads down at the range and was just starting to group well, unless my club opens a rifle range I can't see myself renewing my membership:(

Will you be able to keep the gun in Germany?

LB6

Sorry to hear that Griz - so much for Christmas spirit!

Grizzly 45

Nope Murph!
I am going to fight this...All the way to the Supreme court if necessary.If this cost me my house,property and if I have to sell my girlfriends body down on Limericks Dock road to raise money..I will... They might win ,but it wont be a pushover for them
I will move it up to NI first.Where it is more civilised regarding firearms,storage is cheaper and this lot wont get their grubby paws on my gun or my money either..
I have no intention of paying a bunch of profiteering CNUTS down here for usurious storage charges that they are erking out of the misery of pistool shooters in the ROI.Dont worry,their day will come too.What goes around comes around.:mad:

freddieot

Got 2 refusals today myself. Meeeting with my solicitor in a few days.

It was nice timing.
However, if they were trying to ruin Christmas, they failed.
That's my Mother-in-laws job and she is on her way over right now to see that it's done

G17

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

REFUSED...

Really sorry to hear that, seriously...I can only imagine your terrible disappointment, mine's pending I'll wager...


Hopefully 2010 will bring fairness.



Merry Christmas anyway and to all safe, law abiding sporting shooters.

meathshooter

crimestat wrote: »

Thanks meathshooter March is 3 months away a lot can happen. The problem now is I do not have a current licence so I cannot shoot in Midlands what is the story until March. My local Sergeant told me he would not confiscate the pistol until the appeal was over even though he was instructed to by the ex super. I am in a bit of a limbo; do you know can I range shoot over the holidays anywhere without a current license?

my went into storage the day after the letter and most authorised ranges if not all state asfik that you must have a current licence

Grizzly 45

Not that you would think they might suspend your membership until you are sorted out one way or the other.:(

happyjack

Sorry to hear your bad news lads, I was refused in November myself, line of crap, they've been planning this with a few years if you ask me.

Any way the important thing is that we stay cool, at the end of the day what they are doing is not legal and above board, we have to get an honest judge soon.

All the best,


HJ:)

4gun

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Nope Murph!
I will move it up to NI first.Where it is more civilised regarding firearms,storage is cheaper and this lot wont get their grubby paws on my gun or my money either..
.

:mad:

i'm ahead of you on the moving part they can keep their little bog hole and all their banker buddies and unfair laws and their whole stinking pile of S**T

lead loader

Got a letter from the local Superintendant today. Letter informed me that i was now a criminal in possession of un-licenced WEAPONS, and that i had 15 days to hand them into Garda Station for destruction or alternatively hand them into gun dealer for destruction or sale in accordance with law. He requires written proof within 15 days.:mad::mad::mad: No mention of my right pursuant to law to have the firearms stored pending an appeal!!

Dusty87

lead loader wrote: »

Got a letter from the local Superintendant today. Letter informed me that i was now a criminal in possession of un-licenced WEAPONS, and that i had 15 days to hand them into Garda Station for destruction or alternatively hand them into gun dealer for destruction or sale in accordance with law. He requires written proof within 15 days.:mad::mad::mad: No mention of my right pursuant to law to have the firearms stored pending an appeal!!

Did they actually call them weapons??

lead loader

Yes the Super called them weapons all right, standard practise for An Garda Siochana i believe! The wording of the letter is as follows:

My Name
Address
etc

Re: Application for Firearms Certificate to licence a xxxxx and a xxxxx


Dear Mr. XXXXX

I am advised by the Divisional Officer that your applications to licence the above mentioned restricted firearms has been unsuccessful.

In the light of these refusals I must now advise you that you are in possession of two un-licenced weapons (Pistols)

You shall now dispose of the weapons in accordance with law by surrender of the weapons to your local Garda Station at XXXXXXX for destruction or alternatively handing them to a licenced gun dealer for sale/destruction. Confirmation in writing required within 15 days.

Your co-operation in this regard is appreciated and a period of 15 days is given for necessary compliance.


yours sincerely


__________________ Superintendent

(XXXX XXXXXX)

Dusty87

See what would happen if you called them "weapons" on an application form:rolleyes:
Maybe as there not licenced anymore they use the term weapons????

syconerd

hi everyone
I have been refused a licence for a single shot Thompson pistol .22 rimfire caliber the reason given is "I am not satisfied that you have shown good reason for requiring a restricted firearm where a non-restricted firearm will not fufil the purpose for which the firarm is required "
and they want to know when i will send them acceptable written evidence of permanent destruction of the firearm yeah right not before I appeal this and exhaust every avenue this is one guy who wont give up without a fight,..

Cass

I am aware of the Thompson pistols. They make the Contender models with interchangeable barrels, but answer this please. How is your pistol restricted. It meets all the criteria of an unrestricted pistol, single shot, .22, longer than 10cm. I don't see how you can be refused on the grounds that an unrestricted would do the same job when (to me) you clearly have an unrestricted.

Might want to check that out, as the refusal seems to have no basis. Unless they have introduced an unrestricted - restricted list.

Grizzly 45

Refused on a remington 1100 Shotgun 5 shot!! apprently vermin shooting,clay shooting or using it outside the State for boar hunting isnt a good enough reason anymore in Limericks CS eyes.:mad::mad::mad::mad:

bunny shooter

Plug it ?

(the shotgun I mean )