Who's running? (its that self indulgent time of the year)

shay_562

dan719 wrote:

And I am definately showing Barra this post. I think he will particularly like the phrase 'mighty oak hacks'.

Be my guest - I think he'll like the idea of being a minor internet celebrity. It'll be good training for when he slags off someone's ma in the Dáil and ends up as YouTube fodder.

Awayindahils wrote:

Intially thought that this post was by one the crazies and then saw it was by you...*cough* and it still seems crazy*cough*

I don't think it's especially crazy. And while many of the uberhacks are just ridiculously competent people who get firsts, there are plenty more people who do get less out of their course than they otherwise would for the sake of the other, more enjoyable parts of college life. Not saying that they should have praise heaped upon them and statues erected in Front Square, just that decrying everyone who gets involved with everything ever seems a tad infantile.

Denerick wrote:

They will achieve the same as most of the high skilled denizens of this island - competant but incapable of originality. The irish as a race of people are totally unfit to lead in the modern innovation economy.

So now the problem isn't hacks, it's the entire nation of Ireland and everyone in it? Whatever. Jog on, you racist twatwaffle.

Denerick

So now the problem isn't hacks, it's the entire nation of Ireland and everyone in it? Whatever. Jog on, you racist twatwaffle.

The problem is the average young Irish persons conception of culture. As long as Tommy Tiernan and John Watters are the cream of our 'intelligentsia' I think we'll be resigned to remaining a second rate nation filled with imaginationless hacks, and a populace who haven't read a book since their leaving cert.

And also, I'm a self hating paddy. Not some Brit. I'm allowed to despise the Irish people and everything they stand for. It would be unpatriotic to do otherwise! (I muse here over Yeats and Patrick Kavangh and other great Irishmen of the past, and how they struggled to live in a country who's highest ambition was to 'fumble in their greasy till')

EDIT: It goes back to the 'gombeen man' really. I'm far from the first Irishman to hold these views about our nation at large.

Boston

How very typical.

Denerick

Boston wrote: »

How very typical.

Thanks Boston. I love you too.

SligoBrewer

Denerick wrote: »

Lol!!! You really think the reason we don't have to pay fee's is because of the SU? We have the Green party to thank mainly, their commitment to education is what ensured fee's wouldn't be introduced. .

Lolz. The Green Party, as if they'd ever do anything except lick the balls off Fianna Fáil.

bright

SligoBrewer wrote: »

Lolz. The Green Party, as if they'd ever do anything except lick the balls off Fianna Fáil.

Well, that was enlightening. :rolleyes:

SligoBrewer

bright wrote: »

Well, that was enlightening. :rolleyes:

Highly, hence why I posted it.

The idea suggested by Denerick that the free fees was won by the Green Party and not by the various SU's across the country is pathetic, taking the credit away for what was in the majority a fantastic campaign because of what seems to be personal slants against people on the various representative committees, and instead shoving it on party who have shown themselves to be biggest shams/frauds that ever sat in Government.

Sorry for going a bit OT towards the end.

Denerick

SligoBrewer wrote: »

Highly, hence why I posted it.

The idea suggested by Denerick that the free fees was won by the Green Party and not by the various SU's across the country is pathetic, taking the credit away for what was in the majority a fantastic campaign because of what seems to be personal slants against people on the various representative committees, and instead shoving it on party who have shown themselves to be biggest shams/frauds that ever sat in Government.

Sorry for going a bit OT towards the end.

Do you read newspapers? The reason that fee's were not reintroduced was because the Greens in effect offered an ultimatum to the government on education issues. As pretty and as hypocritical as the SU campaign was, it was not in any way instrumental in preventing the reintroduction of fee's. As I said before, the clamour created by students was incomparable to the damage a public sector strike causes; our country has and is going through remarkable times, and this government has managed to cut public sector wages beyond all international comparisons (Take for example Britain, who has a bigger debt per GDP ratio than us, who agreed to cap pay rises at 1%)

I know its fashionable amongst the student intelligentsia to bash everything in power indiscriminately, but do try to exercise your critical faculties a bit more.

SligoBrewer

Denerick wrote: »

Do you read newspapers?

Yes.

Denerick wrote: »

The reason that fee's were not reintroduced was because the Greens in effect offered an ultimatum to the government on education issues. As pretty and as hypocritical as the SU campaign was, it was not in any way instrumental in preventing the reintroduction of fee's.

You saw this.

I read this.

Then action like this.

Led to Greens/FF saving face like this.

Even though we still have this.

Denerick wrote: »

As I said before, the clamour created by students was incomparable to the damage a public sector strike causes; our country has and is going through remarkable times, and this government has managed to cut public sector wages beyond all international comparisons (Take for example Britain, who has a bigger debt per GDP ratio than us, who agreed to cap pay rises at 1%)

Number of public servants and their ability to disrupt day to business in Ireland > Number of students and their ability to disrupt day to day business.

Denerick wrote: »

I know its fashionable amongst the student intelligentsia to bash everything in power indiscriminately, but do try to exercise your critical faculties a bit more.

I have nothing wrong with power or people who win elections, and indeed I do like to give praise where it's due, and criticise where it's warranted, exercising my critical faculties well in the process.

P.S. Your beautiful and fantastic vocabulary was undone by your incorrect use of an apostrophe. Well done.

Denerick

You're following a self serving narrative. Anyone can do what you did, and just switch the filler words around. It boils down to interpretation at the end of the day, and you're not convincing anyone that students on strike achieve anything of significance, save a lie in for lecturers.

I'm sorry if my vocabulary offends you, oh great guardian of the English language.

SligoBrewer

Denerick wrote: »

You're following a self serving narrative. Anyone can do what you did, and just switch the filler words around. It boils down to interpretation at the end of the day, and you're not convincing anyone that students on strike achieve anything of significance, save a lie in for lecturers.

I'm sorry if my vocabulary offends you, oh great guardian of the English language.

The fact the Ryan even considered third level fees viable shows that the Green Party has as much conviction in an argument as you do and it was the organisation and lobbying of the students that changed their minds. Do you not think that if the unions rolled over the Fianna Fáil/Green Party campaign would have rolled on? Who else was fighting fees consistently over the past year or so? Labour and the Socialists? We all know that Fianna Fáil couldn't give two hoots about alternative views.

I will acknowledge that the Greens did indeed ultimately contribute to the continuation of tuition fees being paid for by the NDP, but not after they flirted to see how far away from their "values" they could stray and hence how it was the unions who saved our bacon so to speak.

Denerick

SligoBrewer wrote: »

The fact the Ryan even considered third level fees viable shows that the Green Party has as much conviction in an argument as you do and it was the organisation and lobbying of the students that changed their minds. Do you not think that if the unions rolled over the Fianna Fáil/Green Party campaign would have rolled on? Who else was fighting fees consistently over the past year or so? Labour and the Socialists? We all know that Fianna Fáil couldn't give two hoots about alternative views.

I will acknowledge that the Greens did indeed ultimately contribute to the continuation of tuition fees being paid for by the NDP, but not after they flirted to see how far away from their "values" they could stray and hence how it was the unions who saved our bacon so to speak.

Can you not see that you believe that because you want to believe that? In stark, realpolitick terms, why would the government care about a constituency who don't turn out to vote and don't do any meaningful economic damage when they strike? Cutting fees would have been an easy victory for the government, causing minimal electoral damage. The only reason it wasn't introduced was because the green party made a pledge to maintain education funding. There is no other logical answer. Why would the students change the minds of the Green party? Of course political parties will throw out political kites to test the air - this is exactly what Ryan did. I'm bored of this discussion so unless you actually introduce something new I'll not bother responding.

RexMundi

Denerick wrote: »

Why would the students change the minds of the Green party? Of course political parties will throw out political kites to test the air - this is exactly what Ryan did. I'm bored of this discussion so unless you actually introduce something new I'll not bother responding.

Perhaps because Greens are the one political party that benefit greatly from the student vote...

Perhaps because at least on ex-TCD SU president is still an active member of their party...

EGaffney

RexMundi wrote: »

Perhaps because at least on ex-TCD SU president is still an active member of their party...

I'd be very impressed if he were, given that my understanding is that he's not in the country.

SligoBrewer

RexMundi wrote: »

Perhaps because Greens are the one political party that benefited greatly from the student vote...

FYP

gearoidof

All ex-TCD SU presidents are out of the country?

EGaffney

gearoidof wrote: »

All ex-TCD SU presidents are out of the country?

Not all ex-TCD SU presidents were Green Party activists. Either way, it's a pretty small sample size.

andrew

I have a radio in my car.

Denerick

last word.

Agent Smith

Today FM

SligoBrewer

Newstalk.

Denerick

SPAM

Jonathan

That's enough of that.