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Oddities of Irish Infrastructure

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  • Registered Users Posts: 78,240 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Its about 37km from Ballinasloe to Athenry, with only the toll plaza and the interchange for Loughrea in between.

    Road over road bridge dating from the 19th century.

    http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=snc2bjg8xcs7&scene=27176668&lvl=2&sty=o

    http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=snjzspg94qkb&scene=27177586&lvl=2&sty=o


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,018 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    Victor wrote: »
    Its about 37km from Ballinasloe to Athenry, with only the toll plaza and the interchange for Loughrea in between.

    Road over road bridge dating from the 19th century.

    http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=snc2bjg8xcs7&scene=27176668&lvl=2&sty=o

    http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=snjzspg94qkb&scene=27177586&lvl=2&sty=o
    I love those bridges, I'm guessing they were former railway bridges, converted to road use, like the one in East Waterford on the way to Passage.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,680 ✭✭✭jd


    Of course we also have a non continuous national road between Dublin and Belfast :)

    Heading north from Whitehall we have the N1, then the M50, then back to the M1 (n1)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    jd wrote: »
    Of course we also have a non continuous national road between Dublin and Belfast :)

    Heading north from Whitehall we have the N1, then the M50, then back to the M1 (n1)

    Then the N1 again before the border and if you want to push it further it then becomes the A1 and finally on to the M1.

    Also the M1 just north of Dundalk (just before it becomes the N1) travels slightly south of east for a very short bit.


  • Registered Users Posts: 78,240 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    murphaph wrote: »
    I love those bridges, I'm guessing they were former railway bridges, converted to road use, like the one in East Waterford on the way to Passage.
    No, no railway went there.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,021 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    Use of Irish/Gaelic placenames (not bilingual) for non-Gaeltacht towns in English language public transport timetables.

    E.G. Navan, Newbridge, Charlieville etc


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,612 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Use of Irish/Gaelic placenames (not bilingual) for non-Gaeltacht towns in English language public transport timetables.

    E.G. Navan, Newbridge, Charlieville etc

    Thats mostly stopped, Baegnalstown is one of the last places lumbered with that with any frequency. Kells was another that had it in the past.

    Using an anglecised Irish placename rather than the English placename was another former oddity (Mostrim for Edgesworthstown).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,021 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    MYOB wrote: »
    Thats mostly stopped

    Then there is those monolingual "An Lar" destination signboards on the front of city busses when all other destinations are Bilingual or English only.

    It gets really laughable on cross-city services e.g. "Tallaght (via An Lar)"


  • Registered Users Posts: 354 ✭✭AndrewMc


    Unless things have changed since I last checked, a private car isn't actually allowed follow the N11, supposedly a National Primary Route, fully through to O'Connell Bridge. Same, I think, south on the N1 at O'Connell Street? Not much of a route, really, in that case.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭larryone


    Minister Dempsey has recently changed the law wrt flashing lignts on bikes.
    They were illegal, oddly.
    Then it was noticed Dublinbikes used flashing lights, and were hence illegal.
    So he made it legal.
    How rare.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭larryone


    AndrewMc wrote: »
    Unless things have changed since I last checked, a private car isn't actually allowed follow the N11, supposedly a National Primary Route, fully through to O'Connell Bridge. Same, I think, south on the N1 at O'Connell Street? Not much of a route, really, in that case.

    There is a way onto O'Connell street southbound in a private car, but not for the full length of it.
    What is or isnt a N road loses a certain amount of significance when you get closer to the city centre. Then again I suppose if you dont know your way through the city, and want to follow signposts you're kindof screwed.
    This way to Wexford, but only if you're a bus, taxi or cyclist....


  • Registered Users Posts: 8 Hadto


    I find these quite odd:

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    larryone wrote: »
    Then again I suppose if you dont know your way through the city, and want to follow signposts you're kindof screwed.
    You shouldn't be though, I've been to Bordeaux, Cannes, Barcelona, Trier, Luxemburg, Bilbao, Seville, Capetown city centres and found my way about from the signposts. only in Ireland, and Britain with their silly system of signing road numbers instead of destinations has city centre driving on spec been an issue.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭Plowman


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  • Registered Users Posts: 78,240 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Plowman wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.
    Its also a junction.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    Victor wrote: »
    Its also a junction.

    Is that not why the limit signs are there?
    ignoring the fact the one sign is twisted around, if the mainroad was in a built up area with the lower limit, then the 80 limit for unbuiltup areas applies on the boreen.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,018 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    You shouldn't be though, I've been to Bordeaux, Cannes, Barcelona, Trier, Luxemburg, Bilbao, Seville, Capetown city centres and found my way about from the signposts. only in Ireland, and Britain with their silly system of signing road numbers instead of destinations has city centre driving on spec been an issue.
    Signing by road number has advantages (eg minimises the amount of info you need to keep in your head, remembering 2 road numbers is a lot easier than a string of control destinations) and disadvantages (numbers are harder to remember than names). Ditto for signing by destination. I think the theory in the RoI is actually quite sound. It is a happy compromise between road numbers and control destinations (eg on N routes the end destination should always be displayed top, followed by the closer destination(s) below, on R roads the only thing to be displayed is the number and the next most important town along the route. IME this is one of the most broken rules and you end up with R roads in Lucan pointing to St. Margaret's (wherever that is!) with no mention of Clonsilla/Blanchardstown!!

    As for city driving in (the Republic of) Ireland. It's the pits because the rules aren't implemented properly. Dublin is far and away the worst signed city I have ever driven in. You can drive for ages and not meet a road sign, even on a busy arterial (and regional!) route. Compare to Belfast, peace of cake driving there without a map as the important stuff is all well signed. If Dublin roads were signed according to the procedures laid down in the TSM, it would also be easy to navigate in without a map.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 578 ✭✭✭Owenw


    I find it quite odd that there isn't a single roadsign in Dublin to direct you to the main railway stations, yet as soon as you step onto a platform there's a sign every 10 metres!


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,018 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    It may have been mentioned already, but "new world" yellow diamond warning road signs are unique in Europe.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,531 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    Sorry to be pedantic but..

    The actual debate that there is on Athlone bypass becoming Motorway despite there being,

    - No decent slip/merge road at either of the Roscommon side junctions
    - Crap sight lines (especially coming from either side of the M6 at speed)

    And yet the dumb contractors put new signage as Motorway towards the west end. Idiots :mad:

    The road is good, but not good enough.


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  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,505 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    The biggest oddity of Irish infrastructure was that nearly 27 year period when new directional signs showed distances in kilometres, but speed limits remained in mph...

    For me the fact that we are exceedingly bad at signing railway stations (in most cases fingerposts erected by Irish Rail are the only signs, they don't tend to get included in official signs), and as I've mentioned it before, the fact that the biggest railway station in the country (Heuston Station) has not one exterior sign, mentioning the name of the station, or even the fact that it is a railway station - would it kill them to put up a sign saying "IE Hueston Station" outside?

    Oh, here's an oddities of Irish infrastrucure question. Anyone who can tell me what is unique about the N67 over any other national road gets a prize.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭larryone


    There is a sign outside saying Heuston!




    ....on the luas stop


  • Registered Users Posts: 368 ✭✭Roryhy


    icdg wrote: »
    The biggest oddity of Irish infrastructure was that nearly 27 year period when new directional signs showed distances in kilometres, but speed limits remained in mph...

    For me the fact that we are exceedingly bad at signing railway stations (in most cases fingerposts erected by Irish Rail are the only signs, they don't tend to get included in official signs), and as I've mentioned it before, the fact that the biggest railway station in the country (Heuston Station) has not one exterior sign, mentioning the name of the station, or even the fact that it is a railway station - would it kill them to put up a sign saying "IE Hueston Station" outside?

    Oh, here's an oddities of Irish infrastrucure question. Anyone who can tell me what is unique about the N67 over any other national road gets a prize.

    It's number of course!;)


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,505 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Roryhy wrote: »
    It's number of course!;)

    Other than that :-).

    What's "special" is probably more the query, at least, I can't think of any other N-road in the Republic where you have to do this, but there's at least one A-road in the North where you must...


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,018 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    icdg wrote: »
    Oh, here's an oddities of Irish infrastrucure question. Anyone who can tell me what is unique about the N67 over any other national road gets a prize.
    Only National Route interrupted by a ferry service?


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,505 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    murphaph wrote: »
    Only National Route interrupted by a ferry service?

    Correct. As far as I remember. Its an odd one. The A2 up North is also interrupted by a car ferry. Its wierd because when leaving Tarbert town to head to the ferry terminal there's an RCS signing Killimer, of course the distance includes the Shannon estuary...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭mysterious


    We have planners, road engineers and a road authority who can't seem to plan or build our roads right. Or stick to any orginal plan. They also can future proof roads. And we tend to build roads that are less needed than others, namely because A TD wants to build a bypass for the village named ballymacklanders.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,319 ✭✭✭Trick of the Tail


    Oddity: (For isn't that what this thread is for?)

    Travelling west on the M7, at the N8 junction, the slip road to the left which has been barriered off ever since it was built.

    Why?

    A.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,612 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Someone on here got a response from the NRA about that, 'land access' was the reason I think.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,319 ✭✭✭Trick of the Tail


    What does that mean? When it was planned and built, the access to lands its in front of must have been taken into account.

    Oh. Hush my mouth.

    A.


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