ROE DEER IN SLIGO.

happyjack

Ha ha ha ha, so funny, he wasent really just a deer, it was a mule, drug mule get it, thats how it got into Ireland, muling cocaine. I can just see it now at customs are you an Irish natural born Sika, Red deer or Fallow, have you anything to declare??? No its a Roe muling in coke!!! Or maybe as I'm getting far fetched Santas missing that ole Rudolf deer. No that wasent as funny as the mule bit, I'll shut up now.

HJ:)

natdog

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

ERrrr No! It actually was Roe deer up on Lisadell estate,They were introduced around the 1890s and were supposedly extinct by 1910 appx.
It is highly unlikely that Roe will mate with reds or sika.Due mainly to their size and the fact they dont really tolerate being around Reds too much

Sorry should have said last serious introduction of deer and i think your missing the point its not just about mating habits its about the introduction of foreign species without looking at long term effects on flora and fauna

iwsf

Let's shoot all the roe deers and all the wild boars if any !
Then we can go after the eagles that were released not long ago.
Anything else ?
Serioulsy i can't see why you wouldn't want roe deers in Ireland.

thelurcher

I'm not too fond of the introduction of new wildlife - e.g. Norwegian eagles in Kerry :rolleyes: what do people be thinking - but the thought of getting roe and the same shooting seasons for them as the UK is alright by me - it would make the summer a lot more interesting to say the least.

CJhaughey

thelurcher wrote: »

I'm not too fond of the introduction of new wildlife - e.g. Norwegian eagles in Kerry :rolleyes: what do people be thinking - but the thought of getting roe and the same shooting seasons for them as the UK is alright by me - it would make the summer a lot more interesting to say the least.

The Eagles in Kerry are not a new species they are a re-introduction of a species that was exterminated here.

BryanL

monarch wrote: »

start on mink, a real invader that is doing serious damageto our fair land

Most people have been very critical of the the Anti's for releasing mink in the first place and rightly so.
Hunting people are now open to the same criticism with regard to Roe and Muntjac
Bryan

thelurcher

CJ - I know that - for me personally it goes deeper than just sharing the same latin name though - it has to be all about bloodlines - once they die out then that's it.
Just my opinion on these reintroductions - like beavers in Scotland - it's probably a harmless enough exercise but it's all a bit pointless and fake.

If everyone in this country died tomorrow and a few years down the road the UN decided to repopulate the country with say a few million chinese (after all we are of the same species) - would they end up being as 'Irish' as us

Grizzly 45

BryanL wrote: »

Most people have been very critical of the the Anti's for releasing mink in the first place and rightly so.
Hunting people are now open to the same criticism with regard to Roe and Muntjac
Bryan

Thing is; the mink were commercially farmed on liscensed farms with [hopefully] the approapiate security in place to prevent mass outbreaks.So in effect the Sabs actions were industrial sabotage and possibly enviromental pollution.
As to wether hunters actually released or had anything to do with these re introductions...Well somone please provise some actual PROOF!! of this???It is too easy to jump on the "the hunters did this" bandwagon of guilt by association..remember people got up to all sorts of weird and wonderful capers in the Celtic tiger era...There is a possibility that somone with more money than sense decided it would be nice to have some pet deer on Chezfool manor[est 2000AD] and didnt know the first thing about keeping or fencing them in ,and off ran the lively garden ornaments to point unknown..:rolleyes:
I theorise that is why we dont or havent heard of many more muntjac being shot ,apart from the one case this year in Wicklow[?]Munties breed like crazy,so there should be more reports of them abounding.

BTW Natdog all the "Serious" introductions of sika,fallow,magpies,grey squirrels & pheasents were never intended as a lets introduce a new breed to Ireland as it will benefit .They were all gifts or follies brought in by the Ascendancy,or in pheasents ,magpies and fallow cases by the Normans.Which got out of control by breeding or escaping from the parks where they were tended.
Long term damage well lets see...
Going by invasive species Ireland website
Non native deer species
Habitat: Terrestrial
Threat: Threatens native ecosystems and species
Status: Potential
Currently there are three species of deer known to occur in a wild state on the island of Ireland. The Red Deer Cervus elaphus constitute Irelands only living native wild deer species while Fallow Dama dama and Sika Cervus nippon deer were both introduced as either a food source or hunting and ornamental purposes. Historically, a number of deer species have been introduced to many parts of the world. Problems arise when the herd populations begin to damage the native habitats and economic activities of the region. Of particular concern at present are species of deer present in Britain but not yet known present in Ireland. This includes Muntjac deer Muntiacus reevesi, and the Roe deer Capreolus capreolus.


Of the above,that could already be said of our native pouplations of mismanaged deer herds??

Impact

Deer tend to be large mammals with significant impact on the countryside in particular sites of conservation concern (e.g. woodlands) and forestry sites. [These animals can destroy the understory of forests by overgrazing; propagate other non native species such as Rhododendron; act as a reservoir for diseases (bovine TB) and parasites for domestic livestock; strip bark from trees and trampling of vegetation which in turn may lead to increased soil erosion.

Considering that Red,Falow and Sika are already capable of doing such [and do, no doubt],and this is all that we are worried about then Roe,muntjac and water deer wil be the least of our problems.. NONE of those three breeds are capable of interbreeding with each other or with the established breeds.The above arguements are rather in the Fig leaf variety.

While reintroducing extinct native species might be a good idea in some cases like the eagles,does that mean we must reintroduce wolves as well???:eek::eek:
After all, they were once native here and hunted to extinction..

Keelan

Vegeta wrote: »

No it's the opposite I thought

As they are deer they cannot be hunted without license and only in certain seasons

But as there is no actual season listed for them, they cannot be hunted at all

I think

This is exactly what the ranger told me, they are not to be shot!
He also mentioned, their most likely related to the ones that were supposedly culled out in Lisadell.
6.5, please stop your sarcastic remarks.
I was out their all day yesterday, trying to get a picture, seen 4 of them running off, all does, into the forrest, got a pic, but my digital camera is not the best, so am going to try and get a freind that has a good camera and see what we can get.

Keelan.

Grizzly 45

Does this ranger have any idea how these roe were not reported over the last 100 years as being seen around the Lisadell area??Also by not reporting this he is putting his job /career in danger,as he would be duty bound to report an invasive species..
Isnt it a bit weird that for somthing that was last shot in appx 1910,or at the very latest 1920s going by the historical records,suddenly emerges in public view a century later???
Taking an assumption of one breeding pair of a buck and doe,say they reproduce annually one fawn,for their natural lifespan of appx 12/15 years without any natural predation by man or beast very rough ,ballpark figures would suggest there must be over 3000 roe deer in that area alone in that century of invisibility...
And no one has noticed them around the area in all that time?
I know that part of the country is remote..But this is ridicilous...:D.

Tis one for the X Files I tells ya!!

pedroeibar

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Impact

Deer tend to be large mammals with significant impact on the countryside in particular sites of conservation concern..............

Not to mention the impact on the front of your car.
Rs
P.

meathstevie

CJhaughey wrote: »

The Eagles in Kerry are not a new species they are a re-introduction of a species that was exterminated here.

So fundamentally no difference with wild boar...

CJhaughey

meathstevie wrote: »

So fundamentally no difference with wild boar...

Yup, do you hear me complaining about hogs.....;)
I believe mink are also occupying a vacant ecological niche that was created when the native ones were wiped out, The yankee mink might just have broader tastes though.
If fur was still worth anything they would be a lot less common than they are now.

Grizzly 45

CJhaughey wrote: »

Yup, do you hear me complaining about hogs.....;)
I believe mink are also occupying a vacant ecological niche that was created when the native ones were wiped out, The yankee mink might just have broader tastes though.

If fur was still worth anything they would be a lot less common than they are now.

Well,if they are renderd down,their fat,is a Grade A1 leather waterproof and protector

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Not to mention the impact on the front of your car.

Thats what Bull bars were invented for.:pac:

sixpointfive

"6.5, please stop your sarcastic remarks"

wtf? use your head, if they are ever going to have a chance of survival then the less people that know their location the better.

Sparks

Other way round 6.5. The more people know, the higher the chances, which is why the reintroduction of eagles and grey partridges and so forth have been so widely publicised. The only reason to hide this is if the species has been illegally reintroduced, and that's nothing to do with conservation of a species.

happyjack

CJhaughey wrote: »

The Eagles in Kerry are not a new species they are a re-introduction of a species that was exterminated here.

Yeah leave our Kerry eagles alone,

HJ:)

CJhaughey

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

CJhaughey wrote: »

Well,if they are renderd down,their fat,is a Grade A1 leather waterproof and protector

I can do most anything, as I have a very understanding wife, But I think rendering mink fat would be just that little too much for her.
I can see it happening outside using the Turkey fryer but inside? I'll leave it to you Grizz.:D

Keelan

sixpointfive wrote: »

"6.5, please stop your sarcastic remarks"

wtf? use your head, if they are ever going to have a chance of survival then the less people that know their location the better.

Dont worry, they are very well protected, far more so then the very common sika in wicklow.

happyjack

It's a real shame we dont have wild boar or wolves here any more, plus has anyone seen a sky lark? I remember caddying as lad in Ballybunion and they used to pop up and sing their wee hearts out, but I havent seen one in years.

HJ:)

welsummer

[quotLet's shoot all the roe deers and all the wild boars if any !
Then we can go after the eagles that were released not long ago.
Anything else ?
.[/quote]
yeah!!! well said iwsf. i belive thems eagles are tasty

LK_Dave

CJhaughey wrote: »

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

I can do most anything, as I have a very understanding wife, But I think rendering mink fat would be just that little too much for her.
I can see it happening outside using the Turkey fryer but inside? I'll leave it to you Grizz.:D

...off topic here but have you tried the turkey fryer?.....got a bird in the freezer and was thinking of doing it in the fryer as an alternative to BBQ....when the weather improves. Did you buy a kit (where) or just make up your own?

CJhaughey

LK_Dave wrote: »

CJhaughey wrote: »

...off topic here but have you tried the turkey fryer?.....got a bird in the freezer and was thinking of doing it in the fryer as an alternative to BBQ....when the weather improves. Did you buy a kit (where) or just make up your own?

Yep did a 22lb bird for xmas,takes 3.5mins per lb=1 hr 17mins:D
Best turkey you will ever taste guaranteed.
I got mine in the US in Walmart cost about $50 for the complete kit, burner, pot and stands.
Been doing it for the last 5yrs and always satisfied.

Sparks

CJhaughey wrote: »

Best turkey you will ever taste guaranteed.

I'll take that bet if you're not brining your turkey first...

CJhaughey

Sparks wrote: »

I'll take that bet if you're not brining your turkey first...

I inject marinade into the turkey. But deep frying is IMO the best, Crisp skin and really moist meat. The outside sears and the bird is pressure steamed in its own juices.:D

Sparks

No, not a marinade, a brine (just salt, a little sugar, water and some spices). Leave the bird in it, breast side down overnight (usually in a very large clean bucket in the garage because it's cold enough there come this time of year), turn it in the morning so it's breast side up, then five or six hours later, out it comes, dry it off, stick some rosemary, two quartered onions and apples (microwaved for a minute first) and a cinnamon stick in the cavity and then cover the breast in foil (but not the legs), remove the foil and set aside. Rub vegetable or peanut oil all over the bird, then the thermometer probe goes into the deepest part of the breast meat, and the bird goes on the roasting rack, into the roasting pan and into the oven at 250C (or higher if your oven can get there) for 30 minutes, then the oven gets dropped to 180C and you apply the foil to the breast meat and cook until the internal temperature hits 71C (160F) in the breast and 85C (180F) in the legs. Remove, rest, carve.

Double Barrel

Right Sparks,
What time is dinner !!!!! I'l be early

ArdeeStalker

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Does this ranger have any idea how these roe were not reported over the last 100 years as being seen around the Lisadell area??Also by not reporting this he is putting his job /career in danger,as he would be duty bound to report an invasive species..
Isnt it a bit weird that for somthing that was last shot in appx 1910,or at the very latest 1920s going by the historical records,suddenly emerges in public view a century later???
Taking an assumption of one breeding pair of a buck and doe,say they reproduce annually one fawn,for their natural lifespan of appx 12/15 years without any natural predation by man or beast very rough ,ballpark figures would suggest there must be over 3000 roe deer in that area alone in that century of invisibility...
And no one has noticed them around the area in all that time?
I know that part of the country is remote..But this is ridicilous...:D.

Tis one for the X Files I tells ya!!

i agree grizzly but it gets better, your figures are wrong, way under in fact !
roe does usually have twin's and in some case's have triplets so going by those figures if these roe deer are remnants of the lisadell herd then the numbers should be up in the 10's of 1000's, no i suspect they hitched a ride to sligo in the back of a van .
personally iv no problem with roe deer making an apperance on these shore's, theyre indigenous to the rest of western europe so why not have them here, would make summer shooting more interesting.
hope the hitch a ride further south .

sixpointfive

riverstown is at least 40km form lissadel, i dont think there could be much of a connection,

Grizzly 45

Just "odd" that they would appear back in Sligo...of all places??