ROE DEER IN SLIGO.

Keelan

Well folks, belive this or not, up to ye.;)
I was up around Riverstown, co. sligo their yesterday, with a freind, bushing for some bunnys ect, when out pops a Roe doe. Now, as i have lived in the uk, wiltshire, for a number of years, i know what a roe doe looks like.
She ran acroos the feild and into the forrestry, gone, before i could get the camera out...:(
Talking to the farmer on the way back, he said he had seen a few of them type of small deer knocking about for a while now, but did not pass any heed on them...:eek:..:)
Hopefully they will spread, it would be nice to have a decent population over here.

Keelan.

CJhaughey

Interesting, another migrant I suppose

sixpointfive

Great to hear but was it wise to give the location, ?

ivanthehunter

Keelan wrote: »

Well folks, belive this or not, up to ye.;)
I was up around

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??? their yesterday, with a freind, bushing for some bunnys ect, when out pops a Roe doe. Now, as i have lived in the uk, wiltshire, for a number of years, i know what a roe doe looks like.
She ran acroos the feild and into the forrestry, gone, before i could get the camera out...:(
Talking to the farmer on the way back, he said he had seen a few of them type of small deer knocking about for a while now, but did not pass any heed on them...:eek:..:)
Hopefully they will spread, it would be nice to have a decent population over here.

Keelan.

No harm there, just sit back and wait for the S.I to role in.

natdog

strange that so many think this is a good thing do we really need more foreign species in the country i see the same lack of resposibility with fish in our rivers and lakes

ivanthehunter

natdog wrote: »

strange that so many think this is a good thing do we really need more foreign species in the country i see the same lack of resposibility with fish in our rivers and lakes

Deer are good for shooting!

There might be some eco damage but ffs is there a single place left in the land of green which is untouched by the hand of man! Ans No!
maybe at the bottom of a lake!

Are all deer (other than some reds) from else where? Ans Yes.

To be honest i glad they're here! How bad could they be?

Are Muntjac more harmful? I think so!


Lisadale hall welcomes you back- warts and all!

natdog

the last introduction of deer to ireland was the sika close to 100 years ago and now there two coming into the country in quick succession.
I love sika and hunting them but they did destroy the wicklow red herd which was not foreseen at the time.
whats the long term damage from further introductions do we know?

sikastag

sixpointfive wrote: »

Great to hear but was it wise to give the location, ?

I agree.

Sparks

ivanthehunter wrote: »

Are all deer (other than some reds) from else where? Ans Yes.

Indeed! Brought in at the end of the last Ice Age only, the blow-ins! :rolleyes:

ronboy

natdog wrote: »

the last introduction of deer to ireland was the sika close to 100 years ago and now there two coming into the country in quick succession.
I love sika and hunting them but they did destroy the wicklow red herd which was not foreseen at the time.
whats the long term damage from further introductions do we know?

Holy moly they might start breeding with dogs maybe..then we'd have roedogs. :D

foxshot

ive seen roe and sika deer a lot there are loads where i come from

jwshooter

natdog wrote: »

the last introduction of deer to ireland was the sika close to 100 years ago and now there two coming into the country in quick succession.
I love sika and hunting them but they did destroy the wicklow red herd which was not foreseen at the time.
whats the long term damage from further introductions do we know?

how did sika destroy the red deer herd in wicklow ,there was (little) to know reds in the wild in wicklow from the 1600 to the time of lord powerscourt time .

reds and sika hybridized in lord powerscourts deer park before there were released or escaped.

there is some very red like stags knocking about wicklow but there more a recent introduction .

would this guy pass as a red to the untrained eye

Keelan

Well, i suppose i should of kept it quiet, but where i mentioned, is a vast place, in the middle of nowhere....!
Well off the beaten track.
Its well protected, i have contacted the local ranger, he told me that he knew they were their and reckons they have been their for a few years. He also, mentioned, they are not on the hunting list, think that might mean, they are not for shooting at all, bit like the red in kerry.
Good news, I for one, think its a great thing and why not.
im going to get out with the camera and see if i can get close for a picture.

Keelan.

thedragon

Keelan wrote: »

Well, i suppose i should of kept it quiet, but where i mentioned, is a vast place, in the middle of nowhere....!
Well off the beaten track.
Its well protected, i have contacted the local ranger, he told me that he knew they were their and reckons they have been their for a few years. He also, mentioned, they are not on the hunting list, think that might mean, they are not for shooting at all, bit like the red in kerry.
Good news, I for one, think its a great thing and why not.
im going to get out with the camera and see if i can get close for a picture.

Keelan.

Thats strange coming from a ranger.

natdog

jwshooter wrote: »

how did sika destroy the red deer herd in wicklow ,there was (little) to know reds in the wild in wicklow from the 1600 to the time of lord powerscourt time .

reds and sika hybridized in lord powerscourts deer park before there were released or escaped.

there is some very red like stags knocking about wicklow but there more a recent introduction .

would this guy pass as a red to the untrained eye

jw there was a pure red population in wicklow which is not there anymore due to escaped hybrids breeding with them.
the point is we dont know what the effects could be for the native flora and fauna with there introduction

happyjack

I blame Ryan Air, the cheap flights, you just dont know who/whats coming over here these days.

Sure if their a problem can't we eat them.

Any on ever heard the story of how the Kerry Blue Terrier came about? They were chosen by Collins as the National dog of Ireland being a fighting dog, but any way I wont bore you with the Kerryblue terrier story unless someone is dumb enough to ask me, ok, I swear, I'll wait till I'm asked. honest I will.

And they dont shed hair, they have a kind of fur instead, seriously same as a sheep.

HJ:)

BryanL

I think it's shocking that individuals are happy to introduce alien species for their own entertainment, without any other consideration.
Won't it be a bit strange to ask farmers for permission to get rid of a pest we (as hunting people) introduced?
Bryan

kakashka

BryanL wrote: »

I think it's shocking that individuals are happy to introduce alien species for their own entertainment, without any other consideration.
Won't it be a bit strange to ask farmers for permission to get rid of a pest we (as hunting people) introduced?
Bryan

ABSOLUTELY AGREE..

CJhaughey

As long as there is no border checks then we will have these problems occuring.
I know that for some people the idea of checks at ports and border crossings are an affront and they don't like them.
However the risks to agriculture and fisheries from uncontrolled and unchecked imports is incalculable.
Not to mind the chances of actually detecting illegal imports of contraband.
If the Govt was serious about looking after this kind of thing they would employ a lot more customs officials and utilise them at entry points.
Anyone flown into Australia/NZ? You can see and experience very effective controls at their borders, they take Agriculture and Fisheries seriously there.
More sport you say? What would the attitude be if these animals carried an infectious disease that happened to infect the existing Deer population and wiped them out?
Hypothetical question but not beyond the realms of possibility.

meathstevie

At least roe deer are native to the north western part of Europe where by my last reckoning Ireland is situated. Unlike them illusive munties. If they're not on the hunting list doesn't that mean they're outside the legal framework altogether and are in essence free for all ?

Vegeta

meathstevie wrote: »

At least roe deer are native to the north western part of Europe where by my last reckoning Ireland is situated. Unlike them illusive munties. If they're not on the hunting list doesn't that mean they're outside the legal framework altogether and are in essence free for all ?

No it's the opposite I thought

As they are deer they cannot be hunted without license and only in certain seasons

But as there is no actual season listed for them, they cannot be hunted at all

I think

meathstevie

Maybe someone can eliminate the doubt. I wouldn't squeeze the trigger if I wasn't sure about what I'm doing anyway.

sixpointfive

i would squeeze, i just wouldnt come on here telling the whole world and giving locations, straight into the pot with him..

Dusty87

Vegeta wrote: »

No it's the opposite I thought

As they are deer they cannot be hunted without license and only in certain seasons

But as there is no actual season listed for them, they cannot be hunted at all

I think

Vegeta,
When all the talk of the muntjac being here was going on, was it not said that because they were an invasive species were to be shot on site any time of year. But witha legal deer calibre??
Thats what i picked up, but was only half listening as i dont shoot deer

ronboy

sixpointfive wrote: »

i would squeeze, i just wouldnt come on here telling the whole world and giving locations, straight into the pot with him..

Yeah whose for keelan stew..??:D:D

It wasn't me!

Dusty87 wrote: »

Vegeta,
When all the talk of the muntjac being here was going on, was it not said that because they were an invasive species were to be shot on site any time of year. But witha legal deer calibre??
Thats what i picked up, but was only half listening as i dont shoot deer

There then arose a derogation to shoot muntjac under the same licensing system as our other deer species. If roe become prevalent, you can probably expect that a similar derogation will arise to allow their shooting.

Dusty87

It wasn't me! wrote: »

There then arose a derogation to shoot muntjac under the same licensing system as our other deer species. If roe become prevalent, you can probably expect that a similar derogation will arise to allow their shooting.

I wasnt sure. Just remember something along those lines. Thanks

friedcircuits

hey i'm from sligo the county is full of deer!

Grizzly 45

natdog wrote: »

the last introduction of deer to ireland was the sika close to 100 years ago and now there two coming into the country in quick succession.
I love sika and hunting them but they did destroy the wicklow red herd which was not foreseen at the time.
whats the long term damage from further introductions do we know?

ERrrr No! It actually was Roe deer up on Lisadell estate,They were introduced around the 1890s and were supposedly extinct by 1910 appx.
It is highly unlikely that Roe will mate with reds or sika.Due mainly to their size and the fact they dont really tolerate being around Reds too much

monarch

roe deer were in sligo untill around the 1930's when they were deliberately shot out prior to the planting of new forests.
did they get them all?
how bad can they be,they dont breed with other deer species,lots of hunters on here happy to talk about sika and put up there pictures in a few years the same hunters will be on about roe.
there is so much talk about the native red deer, are there any of them left if the truth be known,with the amount of reds releasd over the last number of years.
start on mink, a real invader that is doing serious damageto our fair land

Grizzly 45

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quote=CJhaughey;63434846]As long as there is no border checks then we will have these problems occuring

The joys of the EU and UK free travel zones..Bad in somways,good in others,totally indifferent until IRL and the UK sign up to the Shenigan agreement.


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I know that for some people the idea of checks at ports and border crossings are an affront and they don't like them.

See above point re free travel,goods and movement within the EU.
It is about the only good thing about this whole EU farsce.

However the risks to agriculture and fisheries from uncontrolled and unchecked imports is incalculable.

Not to mind the chances of actually detecting illegal imports of contraband.

Ahem,well considering that we are catching quite a good few drug hauls,cigs and whatnot,it seems to be more effective since the closed border times.

If the Govt was serious about looking after this kind of thing they would employ a lot more customs officials and utilise them at entry points.

They cant .

Anyone flown into Australia/NZ? You can see and experience very effective controls at their borders, they take Agriculture and Fisheries seriously there.

Yeah,because they have a rather unique habitat and biosphere[??] and are already invaded by domestic cats,wabbitts and Irish people!:DIn reality we have more exotic plants than critters here.

More sport you say? What would the attitude be if these animals carried an infectious disease that happened to infect the existing Deer population and wiped them out?
Hypothetical question but not beyond the realms of possibility.

Nothing more serious than what our already native deer pouplation have in diseases or what illegally smuggled cattle would carry.Unless it was foot and mouth,and we could shift pretty quickly[about the only time in recent history the State did] to deal with it.