Police are Now Confiscating DJ Laptops as "Evidence' for Illegal Parties-What's next?

dubsbhoy

I wanna make sure that every DJ reading this pays close attention and doesn’t dismiss this. Its all about setting legal precedent so police can take things a step further. This is pointed out in the article.

Every DJ reading this needs to realize that this so-called collection of evidence will eventually start happening when the RIAA and the organizations it backs (I.e. Music First Coalition, Sound Exchange etc) began tracking down DJs who aren’t paying licensing fees for their music, especially if they are rocking at these ‘underground’ parties. This will really happen if they manage to push John Conyers bill HR 848 and make that into law.

For those who don’t know, HR 848 is a performance tax they want to charge radio. Play a song on the air and the artist (translation really the label using the artists as fronts) should get some money. This talk about playing songs for promotional purposes has fallen on def ears as far as the labels are concerned. Once this bill passes they will then use this argument of ’precedent’ and make the case that since radio is paying a performance license so should deejays and club venues. This argument of ‘precendence‘ is the same scurrilous tactic they are using now to try and pass HR 848, except they are pointing to the highly contested bill that made internet and satellite radio pay similar fees as justification. They are likely to argue that the DJ is making living off the backs of hardworking artists and that there would be no career if it wasn’t for the artist thus an artist should share in a percentage of the revenues. Keep your eyes open..

Lastly I will remind people if you recall when the RIAA started cracking down on mixtapes being sold in open markets they were able to do something that almost every business I know of has not and can not. They been able to come along with law enforcement on those RAIDS as if they were the police themselves. I also want folks to check to see if some sort of tracking devices or software are not being added to the laptops when they are returned.

Police are Now Confiscating DJ Laptops as “Evidence’ for Illegal Parties-What’s next?

Daroxtar

dubsbhoy wrote: »

Police are Now Confiscating DJ Laptops as “Evidence’ for Illegal Parties-What’s next?

Hr 848? RIAA? John Conyers? Po-lice? I think i've missed something

copeyhagen

im sorry im not qualified to work on terminator equipment!!:D

Quiggers

Makes me glad i dont gig in the USA, radio stations in ireland and england already pay royalties for playing records, the gairdi or uk police will seize all musical equipement being used at an illegal rave, citing public safety and noise polution acts so there's no new news for us, our law enforcers have had nearly 25 years to get accustomed to rave culture, looks like the US is playing catch up.

Customs can also confiscate laptops if they believe the software, music or video content is pirated.

Vestak1

The cops need to concentrate on catching real criminals and not especially targeting people who put on Raves harming no one,crazy sh*t.

Táck

Quiggers wrote: »

the gairdi or uk police will seize all musical equipement being used at an illegal rave, citing public safety and noise polution acts so there's no new news for us,

there was an illegal rave last weekend with the guts of 2 to 300 people in attendance. from what i've read, the garda done nothing but stop it and disperse the crowd. no fines, no nothing.

i dont think the irish gardai are a crime fighting force you could, lets say, set your watch by when it comes to implementing laws. some yes, but all, no.

dubsbhoy

Táck wrote: »

there was an illegal rave last weekend with the guts of 2 to 300 people in attendance. from what i've read, the garda done nothing but stop it and disperse the crowd. no fines, no nothing.

i dont think the irish gardai are a crime fighting force you could, lets say, set your watch by when it comes to implementing laws. some yes, but all, no.

you must be joking ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQQ6tsBfMKM

jimi_t

Táck wrote: »

there was an illegal rave last weekend with the guts of 2 to 300 people in attendance. from what i've read, the garda done nothing but stop it and disperse the crowd. no fines, no nothing.

Was that on Saturday? Was hearing somewhere not from Tallaght but we decided it was too wet and went back to a session; where did it end up?

Táck

dubsbhoy wrote: »

you must be joking ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQQ6tsBfMKM

hahaha thats super. reminds me of about 8 or 9 years ago i came home one day to find a squad car sitting outisde my house with the alarm going off. they barged in and done a full sweep of the house for me then let me go in when they realised nobody was there. my folks were away. thank god they didnt think any midgets was hiding in my bedside locker.

jimi_t wrote:

Was that on Saturday? Was hearing somewhere not from Tallaght but we decided it was too wet and went back to a session; where did it end up?

im not actually sure but it was somewhere bordering on dublins outskirts so talla sounds about right. the first of a few i'd say...maybe not there again though!

PatrickD32

Táck wrote: »

there was an illegal rave last weekend with the guts of 2 to 300 people in attendance. from what i've read, the garda done nothing but stop it and disperse the crowd. no fines, no nothing.

i dont think the irish gardai are a crime fighting force you could, lets say, set your watch by when it comes to implementing laws. some yes, but all, no.

Where did this happen? And what happened the equipment being used? Usually they take it from you.

g5fd6ow0hseima

Would these raves tend to be techno events? Or trance etc...?

Táck

techno. im not sure how trance would go down at an illegal rave particularly in ireland considering the crowd it usually attracts and the lack of an authoritative force there. although i did see someone getting glassed at a techno gig before so there's bad apples everywhere.

i dont know where it happened. i wasnt there. i've only read about it online, from the promoter himself. but im guessing in an industrial estate in dublin. more then likely on the southside. he had the warehouse owners permission to be there.

electrogrimey

dubsbhoy wrote: »

Police are Now Confiscating DJ Laptops as “Evidence’ for Illegal Parties-What’s next?

American police also shoot people on a regular basis, things are a bit different here.

jonny68

Alanna Rotten Ram wrote: »

Would these raves tend to be techno events? Or trance etc...?

Psy Trance sure but not your normal Euro cheesy Trance that Tiesto, Armin and co dish out to the masses.

PatrickD32

jonny68 wrote: »

Psy Trance sure but not your normal Euro cheesy Trance that Tiesto, Armin and co dish out to the masses.

Hate psy-trance, would love to have permission to a warehouse or industrial estate to run a rave.

@ Tack, have you link to where read it.

Hard Dance / Tech Trance rave would attract a numerous amount of scum.
Its a pity scum didnt get into linedancing and **** of with themselves turning up at all events they can drop pills too and not know anything about whos playing/tunes etc. Scenesters!

jimi_t

PatrickD32 wrote: »

Hard Dance / Tech Trance rave would attract a numerous amount of scum.
Its a pity scum didnt get into linedancing and **** of with themselves turning up at all events they can drop pills too and not know anything about whos playing/tunes etc. Scenesters!

That was the beauty of minimal - a pretty much knacker free genre.

The only Warehouse rave that I've heard of was that 'Be an extra' party they had out in some industrial estate last year or the year before; tickets were available in the Bernard Shaw. They got away with saying they were filming club scenes for a movie or something, couple friends went to it and said it wasn't half bad. With the Minge and that place on Leinster road gone there's no real afterparty scene any more either... mores the shame; combine that with the 3am closing and its been the worst couple of years for irish clubbing since the PAs were turf powered.

Andrews Lane are running Deadmau5/Feadz style 'raves' these days with posters advertising "FIRST 100 PEOPLE IN GET WHITE JUMPSUITS. UV CANNONS. UV STICKS. ELECTRO MADNESS. 15 EURO DRINKS. TICKETS ESSENTIAL. R.O.A.R.". Pity as it is a nice enough venue

PatrickD32

jimi_t wrote: »

That was the beauty of minimal - a pretty much knacker free genre.

The only Warehouse rave that I've heard of was that 'Be an extra' party they had out in some industrial estate last year or the year before; tickets were available in the Bernard Shaw. They got away with saying they were filming club scenes for a movie or something, couple friends went to it and said it wasn't half bad. With the Minge and that place on Leinster road gone there's no real afterparty scene any more either... mores the shame; combine that with the 3am closing and its been the worst couple of years for irish clubbing since the PAs were turf powered.

Andrews Lane are running Deadmau5/Feadz style 'raves' these days with posters advertising "FIRST 100 PEOPLE IN GET WHITE JUMPSUITS. UV CANNONS. UV STICKS. ELECTRO MADNESS. 15 EURO DRINKS. TICKETS ESSENTIAL. R.O.A.R.". Pity as it is a nice enough venue

Ah thats a pity
It is a nice venue alrite, but will ony attract scumbuckets and not into deadmau5 etc anyway.
Id rather pay 25euro into a proper illegal rave than pay 15 into there

jimi_t

PatrickD32 wrote: »

Ah thats a pity
It is a nice venue alrite, but will ony attract scumbuckets and not into deadmau5 etc anyway.
Id rather pay 25euro into a proper illegal rave than pay 15 into there

Oh its full of students - and the worse kind at that. Drop something remotely heavy and a moshpit is formed by absolute pillocks. Same kind of **** when Felix came to the UCD student bar, the crowd was so bad that he ended up dropping 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' in the last hour of his set - I **** you not.

PatrickD32

jimi_t wrote: »

Oh its full of students - and the worse kind at that. Drop something remotely heavy and a moshpit is formed by absolute pillocks. Same kind of **** when Felix came to the UCD student bar, the crowd was so bad that he ended up dropping 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' in the last hour of his set - I **** you not.

Ah now, that takes the pish completely :eek:

electrogrimey

I'd say an accurate guess at who goes to those ALT raves are 18 year old country people who've come up for college and see the posters and say 'ooh, a rave, I loove dance music, that David Guetta is great'.

No offence meant to country people on here.

PatrickD32

electrogrimey wrote: »

I'd say an accurate guess at who goes to those ALT raves are 18 year old country people who've come up for college and see the posters and say 'ooh, a rave, I loove dance music, that David Guetta is great'.

No offence meant to country people on here.

Im from the 'country' and lived in north dublin for year or so, and have alot of friends from Dublin who dj and into clubbing, Most people I know that go to ALT and such places are Dubs themselves. And most them go to the likes of gigs like LETRIK aswell which has been at ALT since kicked out of Tivoli. For the likes of SCOT PROJECT etc.

Táck

haha, i love that.

you're an embarasment to ireland with your musical taste and or opinion on music.

but no offence meant haha. well done grimey, i'm actually giggling out loud.

PatrickD32

Táck wrote: »

haha, i love that.

you're an embarasment to ireland with your musical taste and or opinion on music.

but no offence meant haha. well done grimey, i'm actually giggling out loud.

who?

electrogrimey

PatrickD32 wrote: »

Im from the 'country' and lived in north dublin for year or so, and have alot of friends from Dublin who dj and into clubbing, Most people I know that go to ALT and such places are Dubs themselves. And most them go to the likes of gigs like LETRIK aswell which has been at ALT since kicked out of Tivoli. For the likes of SCOT PROJECT etc.

There are a few vaguely decent nights in ALT, Trashed and Noize in particular, but they are pretty much just the same as all the nights in Dublin these days, which are billed as 'electro' but are in effect indie nights, with one or two watery indie dance tunes thrown in near the end. That said, that's the best you can get in Dublin these days.

I'm talking specifically about those 'raves', not ALT in general.

Táck

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electrogrimey

PatrickD32

electrogrimey wrote: »

There are a few vaguely decent nights in ALT, Trashed and Noize in particular, but they are pretty much just the same as all the nights in Dublin these days, which are billed as 'electro' but are in effect indie nights, with one or two watery indie dance tunes thrown in near the end. That said, that's the best you can get in Dublin these days.

I'm talking specifically about those 'raves', not ALT in general.

Ah right, Ive never even heard of Guetta in ALT, maybe thats a good thing

Táck

electrogrimey wrote: »

There are a few vaguely decent nights in ALT, Trashed and Noize in particular, but they are pretty much just the same as all the nights in Dublin these days, which are billed as 'electro' but are in effect indie nights, with one or two watery indie dance tunes thrown in near the end. That said, that's the best you can get in Dublin these days.

I'm talking specifically about those 'raves', not ALT in general.

its that new indie dance / nu disco malarky id say. some of which isnt bad. i've gotten into it due to the crowd im playing to. they like to dance to it, which is good. when i played minimal and or tech house, they both went down like a sh1te sandwich.

SALT has potential. well it did anyway. i seen james lavelle there and he was absolute rubbish and another night arveene who was probably worse, but in fairness i complained online about his set and he apologized and acknowledged he was actually crap due to a heavy night previously. but the venue isnt bad at all.

jimi_t

electrogrimey wrote: »

That said, that's the best you can get in Dublin these days.

Or you could go to the 515 night in tripods, or the esoteric stuff they get in Pygmallion or even somewhere like Kennedys/Bernard Shaw. Just because you don't go there doesn't mean its not out there

electrogrimey

Táck wrote: »

its that new indie dance / nu disco malarky id say. some of which isnt bad. i've gotten into it due to the crowd im playing to like to dance to it as when i played minimal and or tech house, which both went down like a sh1te sandwich.

SALT has potential. well it did anyway. i seen james lavelle there and he was absolute rubbish and another night arveene who was probably worse, but in fairness i complained online about his set and he apologized and acknowledged he was actually crap due to a heavy night previously. but the venue isnt bad at all.

SALT?

Indie dance AFAIK is the Boys Noize kind of sound, or Justice, Erol Alkan, D.I.M, Proxy etc. Soulwax Nite Versions might be too, that kind of dirty electro-y sound. Everywhere around town plays a bit of that, and then some electro house, tunes like Warp 1.9, Pon de Flor, Afrojack - Moombah, and Riverside are probably the best you could expect to hear unless there's an international DJ in. They mostly just play indie all night. Although it depends where you are.

Quiggers

Showing my age or distance from a proper club scene, but what is ALT

electrogrimey

jimi_t wrote: »

Or you could go to the 515 night in tripods, or the esoteric stuff they get in Pygmallion or even somewhere like Kennedys/Bernard Shaw. Just because you don't go there doesn't mean its not out there

Oh I do, the 515 nights and any international DJs coming in are usually good, and they sometimes have some good stuff in the Shaw alright, it just happens that as a student I always end up at the dance orientated student nights, like Antics, Trashed, Noize, Musik, C.U.N.T etc.

PatrickD32

Quiggers wrote: »

Showing my age or distance from a proper club scene, but what is ALT

andrews lane theatre

http://www.andrewslane.com/

electrogrimey

Quiggers wrote: »

Showing my age or distance from a proper club scene, but what is ALT

Andrews Lane Theatre, it's there down the lane opposite Keogh's off Dame Street.

Edit: Balls

Táck

SALT, i always called it Saint Andrews lane theatre. that was its original name when it first opened anyway

jimi_t

electrogrimey wrote: »

Oh I do, the 515 nights and any international DJs coming in are usually good, and they sometimes have some good stuff in the Shaw alright, it just happens that as a student I always end up at the dance orientated student nights, like Antics, Trashed, Noize, Musik, C.U.N.T etc.

I'm a student as well - stop trying to legitimise listening to nonsense

Of those nights, the best one is that random Tuesday session with the cheap drink inside in the Village; and I'd still only go there because its a much less aggravating hunting grounds then dicey's/d2/coppers.

dubsbhoy

electrogrimey wrote: »

American police also shoot people on a regular basis, things are a bit different here.

Only cos they have no guns.

g5fd6ow0hseima

electrogrimey wrote: »

I'd say an accurate guess at who goes to those ALT raves are 18 year old country people who've come up for college and see the posters and say 'ooh, a rave, I loove dance music, that David Guetta is great'.

No offence meant to country people on here.

Im from Roscommon, but thanks, cheers for that one.

g5fd6ow0hseima

jimi_t wrote: »

I'm a student as well - stop trying to legitimise listening to nonsense

Of those nights, the best one is that random Tuesday session with the cheap drink inside in the Village; and I'd still only go there because its a much less aggravating hunting grounds then dicey's/d2/coppers.

Im also a student. Nowhere is any good. I live up in Dublin for college but ive given up going out during the week.

Crawdaddy for Antic is full of hipsters more concerned with their jeans and hair then going a bit mad... joke of a place.

The B. Shaw / Twisted Pepper isnt the worst for a friday though....

jimi_t

Alanna Rotten Ram wrote: »

Crawdaddy for Antic is full of hipsters more concerned with their jeans and hair then going a bit mad... joke of a place.

Still think that 515 in Tripod is the best on a Friday - unfortunately they get a lot of ****e in so its usually a once a fortnight affair at best (Sander Von Doorn, Japanese Popstars etc... Vs. the likes of Hawtin, Luciano, Dubfire). Kennedys is worth a mention bar for the fact that they have a ridiculous cover charge given the venue.

electrogrimey

jimi_t wrote: »

Still think that 515 in Tripod is the best on a Friday - unfortunately they get a lot of ****e in so its usually a once a fortnight affair at best (Sander Von Doorn, Japanese Popstars etc... Vs. the likes of Hawtin, Luciano, Dubfire). Kennedys is worth a mention bar for the fact that they have a ridiculous cover charge given the venue.

515 have great DJs in alright, but a lot of people, me included, can't afford a €25 cover charge, I'd like to see a night with good local DJs and cheap prices. Punch at the Good Bits is the best I've seen, but I hear it's just all the DJs' mates off their heads on legal coke...

g5fd6ow0hseima

electrogrimey wrote: »

but I hear it's just all the DJs' mates off their heads on legal coke...

I'd believe that alright

Táck

electrogrimey wrote: »

but I hear it's just all the DJs' mates off their heads on legal coke...

giggle out loud...

i wouldnt solely associate that with just one event, in fairness.

electrogrimey

Táck wrote: »

giggle out loud...

i wouldnt solely associate that with just one event, in fairness.

True, most nights are just filled with the promoters' entrourage, but I'd choose a night full of pillheads than (legal) cokeheads anyday.

D Audio Tripper

Táck wrote: »

SALT has potential. well it did anyway. i seen james lavelle there and he was absolute rubbish

Worst set I've seen in years, he didn't know where the breaks/kicks were in half of his tunes even
I seen Erol Alkan (I know your not fan!) in there and it was a good night, defo has potential as a venue

electrogrimey

D Audio Tripper wrote: »

Worst set I've seen in years, he didn't know where the breaks/kicks were in half of his tunes even
I seen Erol Alkan (I know your not fan!) in there and it was a good night, defo has potential as a venue

Saw him there as well, that was a great night.

Táck

i dont mind him really, its more the crowd he attracts im not too keen on.

electrogrimey

Táck wrote: »

i dont mind him really, its more the crowd he attracts im not too keen on.

Is this what you're referring to?

D Audio Tripper

Táck wrote: »

i dont mind him really, its more the crowd he attracts im not too keen on.

Yeah he did drop 'Alan Braxe&Fred Falke - Intro' in Space last summer after all

Gerard McSorley

PatrickD32 wrote: »

Hate psy-trance, would love to have permission to a warehouse or industrial estate to run a rave.

@ Tack, have you link to where read it.

Hard Dance / Tech Trance rave would attract a numerous amount of scum.
Its a pity scum didnt get into linedancing and **** of with themselves turning up at all events they can drop pills too and not know anything about whos playing/tunes etc. Scenesters!

We ran a few raves during the Summer, great little outdoor spot...then a week or two after we done our last one, a few lads ran one in the same spot but with Hardhouse...and there was loads of trouble at it, plenty of fights, gear getting robbed and people abusing locals...the areas being closed off soon...

The first few we done were class...mostly just our mates, there til the next morning/aftenoon...since the recession came about there been alot more house partys and illegal raves...hopefully it stays that way

Táck

electrogrimey wrote: »

Is this what you're referring to?

yeah this is the type of **** im talking about
http://3.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kupc9cBuiL1qzzhzdo1_500.jpg
and bowler hats...few too many of them for my liking.

dubsbhoy

a few lads ran one in the same spot but with Hardhouse...and there was loads of trouble at it, plenty of fights

Wouldn't be hardhouse without a few fights

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