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Diesel...What would you choose with 7k?

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    galwaytt
    Registered Users Posts: 12,761 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Avoid the Mazda - trouble-prone engine in that year.

    If leather is a must, your list is shorter, if 7k your max, forget the Passat.

    3-series, but check on the turbo.

    I like the Renault, but it's not everyone's cup of tea.

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    kurant
    Registered Users Posts: 98 ✭✭kurant


    I would go for 1-Laguna 2-BMW 3-Passat/cheap to run:D


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    potsy11
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    kurant wrote: »
    I would go for 1-Laguna 2-BMW 3-Passat/cheap to run:D


    Is there that much of a difference in the laguna / BMW and Passat when it comes to MPG??

    I thought they would all be around 40-45 MPG?


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    bazz26
    Registered Users Posts: 51,147 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    Volvo S40:
    http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=200938195255280

    http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=200842190466120


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    kurant
    Registered Users Posts: 98 ✭✭kurant


    potsy11 wrote: »
    Is there that much of a difference in the laguna / BMW and Passat when it comes to MPG??

    I thought they would all be around 40-45 MPG?

    Yes about the same.difference in handling and runing cost ;)


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    run_Forrest_run
    Registered Users Posts: 6,398 ✭✭✭run_Forrest_run


    The Passat was imported too, if that's anything to consider...


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    run_Forrest_run
    Registered Users Posts: 6,398 ✭✭✭run_Forrest_run


    bazz26 wrote: »
    Volvo S40:
    http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=200842190466120

    I like this! What's the S40 like? Are they a decent car? Reliable?


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    BlackWizard
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    run_Forrest_run wrote: »
    The Passat was imported too, if that's anything to consider...

    68k miles on a 2003 on a UK passat with high spec. Seems kinda odd. I would prefer to be buying a FSH 2003 with 105k miles. High price on that Passat too.


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    potsy11
    Registered Users Posts: 474 ✭✭potsy11


    How can you tell the Passat if from UK?

    I am favouring the passat at the moment. BMW 02 has serious Turbo problems so I think I will pass on that one.

    Me thinks the Passat is worth 4.5-5k max. Am i correct in thinking this?

    Cheers for all the responses so far.


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    cadaliac
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    run_Forrest_run wrote: »
    The Passat was imported too, if that's anything to consider...
    Classic signs of a clocked car IMO.
    Timing belt done early and right around 65k on the clock??? sniff sniff.
    There is also a different head unit for the radio (but its a 6-disk front loading player on the dash) this could indicate a lot of ware and tear. I'll bet the seatbelts are slow to retract as well.
    it is possible but very uncommon for these cars to have that kind of milage for that year.
    I would just be very careful about that one if I were you. (was there any mention of a service history?)
    I would also avoid the Mazda diesel - (bad engine)
    For me:
    1 - modneo
    2 - Laguna
    3 - BMW
    The BMW doesn't repesent any great value for money IMO. Too old. Better car than the others but in a few years it will be too old and dated - which it already kind of is.


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    run_Forrest_run
    Registered Users Posts: 6,398 ✭✭✭run_Forrest_run


    potsy11 wrote: »
    How can you tell the Passat if from UK?

    mywheels.ie


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    BlackWizard
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    potsy11 wrote: »
    Me thinks the Passat is worth 4.5-5k max. Am i correct in thinking this?

    You're correct. But you may pay extra for leather seats and high spec. So if you want high spec+leather then you are up around 6.5-7 asking price (selling price might be lower). I bought the exact same car over a year ago for 9k euro. I honestly think demand has kept the prices high on them.

    You should read cadaliac and stay clear of that car. There are plenty more out there.


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    potsy11
    Registered Users Posts: 474 ✭✭potsy11


    I think in terms of what I want and and have to spend and getting best value on running costs its either going to be the Passat or Mondeo.

    while I am in no way tecnical about cars - What questions should I be asking when lloking at 02-05 models of these cars? Are there any pitfalls I should watch out for?

    Thanks again for all the advice.


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    nogoodnamesleft
    Registered Users Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭nogoodnamesleft


    BMW

    Known turbo issues on 01 -03
    Electric window regulators

    Passat (I drive a highline myself)

    Electric window regulators go
    Coolant temperature sender goes
    Rear boot actuator goes
    C.V. joints and boots
    Top Arms on the Wishbones
    Where was it serviced? (serviced with spec correct oil?) Pollen filter often get over looked even @ main dealer
    Water inside the passenger side of the car due to debris in the phelumn chamber blocking car drains. CCU (Convienence Control Unit) gets wet v v expensive to put right.


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    potsy11
    Registered Users Posts: 474 ✭✭potsy11


    ...eh... Didnt realise the Passat was so bad. I was under the impression that it was one of the most reliable diesels out there. Am i wrong in thinking this?


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    Tragedy
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    I'd go for the Laguna, but bargain him down and be prepared to walk*

    Later models are solid as nails, it's apparently a great engine, it's great spec and they eat up the miles.

    PS: It's a 130bhp model and not registered as an import


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    bazz26
    Registered Users Posts: 51,147 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    potsy11 wrote: »
    ...eh... Didnt realise the Passat was so bad. I was under the impression that it was one of the most reliable diesels out there. Am i wrong in thinking this?

    The TDi engines are pretty reliable but as listed by the previous poster other components are not. The Passat is far from trouble free.


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    BlackWizard
    Registered Users Posts: 3,282 ✭✭✭BlackWizard


    nogoodnamesleft wrote: »
    BMW

    Known turbo issues on 01 -03
    Electric window regulators

    Passat (I drive a highline myself)

    Electric window regulators go
    Coolant temperature sender goes
    Rear boot actuator goes
    C.V. joints and boots
    Top Arms on the Wishbones
    Where was it serviced? (serviced with spec correct oil?) Pollen filter often get over looked even @ main dealer
    Water inside the passenger side of the car due to debris in the phelumn chamber blocking car drains. CCU (Convienence Control Unit) gets wet v v expensive to put right.

    That's pretty much the TDi Passat in a nutshell. I still bought mine knowing all of this.

    My windows have been fine. Check all the windows work before buying..this is costly!
    Coolant sensor is fine. Really cheap and very easy to fix.
    Boot actuator is fine. Cheap fix anyway.
    Pollen filter should be changed when you get the car. It's cheap to do as it is forgotten about. It's about 9 euro and very easy to change. Service the car yourself when you get it. Just to make sure you have the right oil in it.

    The water leak is kinda avoidable. My windshield is glued onto the leaf deflector thing which stops a fair bit of water going to strange places. I cleared out my drainage plugs which are under the battery when I bought the car. But only recently I noticed they were clogged again causing my car to steam up when raining :( I just took out the rubber plugs..useless things. You could possibly get a garage that knows of this issue to do all of this for you though.

    C.V. joints and boots, check this on all cars before buying. But it's not too hard to put right. I sometimes think that the comfort of the Passat makes people think they can drive through 3 foot pot holes at 50kph.


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    GERMAN ROCKS
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭GERMAN ROCKS


    id also get the laguna. it looks mint. nice colour. lowish mileage. good price. nice spec. its the newest. the later ones are bulletproof


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    VolvoMan
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    run_Forrest_run wrote: »
    I like this! What's the S40 like? Are they a decent car? Reliable?

    Very reliable, extremely comfortable but just a little uninspiring. I don't think that diesel engine is half bad either.


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    VolvoMan
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    bazz26 wrote: »
    The TDi engines are pretty reliable but as listed by the previous poster other components are not. The Passat is far from trouble free.

    Another problem with them is that they're so quick you'll probably lose your license, particlularly the TDI.


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    Tragedy
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    The S40 is the very last of the old model, worse spec than the Laguna, less interior space, higher mileage, older type diesel engine.


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    hipster2009
    Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭hipster2009


    GERMAN ROCKS wrote: »
    id also get the laguna. it looks mint. nice colour. lowish mileage. good price. nice spec. its the newest. the later ones are bulletproof
    :confused:

    Dont go near the Laguna

    lagunas are all style and no substance!!!
    I have never known anybody who didnt have lots of trouble with them!!!
    Also not half the comfort or space of the passat!

    Lagunas are cheaper for a reason!!!!!

    However the mileage looks a bit suspect on his particular passat so find another passat!


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    bazz26
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    Tragedy wrote: »
    The S40 is the very last of the old model, worse spec than the Laguna, less interior space, higher mileage, older type diesel engine.

    The last of the old S40s were well speced, granted the diesel engine is old now but that Renault unit was pretty refined and frugal for it's day and no expensive common rail technology to worry about going bang.


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    Tragedy
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    bazz26 wrote: »
    The last of the old S40s were well speced, granted the diesel engine is old now but that Renault unit was pretty refined and frugal for it's day and no expensive common rail technology to worry about going bang.
    Never heard of problems with the renault diesel engines, generally its fiddly electrics that are shoddy(and not in later cars).

    Not saying the S40's linked were bad spec, but compared to the laguna they are.

    Laguna Sky's have:
    - Glass electric sunroof
    - Climate control air conditioning
    - Auto parking brake
    - Rear proximity sensor
    - Alloy wheels
    - Rear spoiler
    - Electric windows and mirrors
    - Hands free door opening and ignission

    And if I'm not mistaken(which I could well be), it looks the laguna sky linked also has cruise control and steering wheel mounted stereo controls.

    A good step above the S40's.


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    run_Forrest_run
    Registered Users Posts: 6,398 ✭✭✭run_Forrest_run


    Tragedy wrote: »

    Laguna Sky's have:
    - Glass electric sunroof
    - Climate control air conditioning
    - Auto parking brake
    - Rear proximity sensor
    - Alloy wheels
    - Rear spoiler
    - Electric windows and mirrors
    - Hands free door opening and ignission

    And if I'm not mistaken(which I could well be), it looks the laguna sky linked also has cruise control and steering wheel mounted stereo controls.

    A good step above the S40's.

    call me old fashioned or whatever but whenever I see lots of fancy features on a Renault that happen to require electricity to work I tend to run a mile.


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    HashSlinging
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    Surprised no one has mentioned the 156 yet, some bargains out there and a fantastic car also.


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    nogoodnamesleft
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    Lagunas used always suffer with the Keycard they introduced. The French and car electronics usually doesnt end well.

    Few of the lads in the office have new enough citroens and they are a nightmare to diagnose problems due to the fact that all the electrical circuits are multiplexed i.e. different signal voltages over the same wire! try fault finding that!!

    Passats have their probems but are reliable once they are correctly serviced. They have a few niggles as I mentioned earlier in the thread but are light years ahead in terms of reliability compared to the new B6 Passat

    Some of the problems can fixed easily enough but its diagnosing is the hard part and I wouldnt say cheap either due to the lack of independant specialists around Ireland.


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    galwaytt
    Registered Users Posts: 12,761 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    hipster2009 wrote: »
    :confused:

    Dont go near the Laguna

    lagunas are all style and no substance!!!
    I have never known anybody who didnt have lots of trouble with them!!!
    Also not half the comfort or space of the passat!

    Lagunas are cheaper for a reason!!!!!

    However the mileage looks a bit suspect on his particular passat so find another passat!
    ..as distinct from Passat's which have neither style NOR substance....:rolleyes:
    bazz26 wrote: »
    The last of the old S40s were well speced, granted the diesel engine is old now but that Renault unit was pretty refined and frugal for it's day and no expensive common rail technology to worry about going bang.
    ..always a good thing, irrespective of the brand...
    nogoodnamesleft wrote: »
    Few of the lads in the office have new enough citroens and they are a nightmare to diagnose problems due to the fact that all the electrical circuits are multiplexed i.e. different signal voltages over the same wire! try fault finding that!!
    ...you're not supposed to. CANBUS requires proper equipment - you cant just lash on a Multimeter and hope it all goes well.
    As for not including multiplexing, well get used to it, there won't be a car on the planet without it, shortly. All new Germans use it..........
    nogoodnamesleft wrote: »
    Passats have their probems but are reliable once they are correctly serviced. They have a few niggles as I mentioned earlier in the thread but are light years ahead in terms of reliability compared to the new B6 Passat
    ...indeed. New ones seem to be terrible.
    nogoodnamesleft wrote: »
    Some of the problems can fixed easily enough but its diagnosing is the hard part and I wouldnt say cheap either due to the lack of independant specialists around Ireland.
    Told you: Germans.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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    galwaytt
    Registered Users Posts: 12,761 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    hipster2009 wrote: »
    Also not half the comfort or space of the passat!
    ...whatever about good/bad, I have yet to drive an uncomfortable French car.

    German cars oth, some are rock-hard, and not in a nice way !

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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