I ask myself: Is this healthy for a young kid??

badrlampard8

I saw this young kid with his training and i ask myself is this healthy for a young kid. Or is this harmless :eek:

http://zideo.nl/index.php?zideo=6c4971616d6c6f3d&playzideo=6b344f596d56646f

d'Oracle

OMG that kids form totally blows.

EileenG

He's just doing in an organised way what most kids would do with a mat and a bar. Almost everything he was doing was some version of normal martial arts or gymnastic exercises for kids that age.

itsallaboutheL

Legend

justsomebloke

that cgi rocks, the kid looks so real

Transform

no thats toally real! Isn't it?

The kid kicks ass

corkcomp

Transform wrote: »

no thats toally real! Isn't it?

The kid kicks ass

agreed his form kicks ass, as well as impressive weights by the looks of things .. i cant help feeling he is living out somebody elses dream though, not sure if its fair to be using a kid like that ..

itsallaboutheL

corkcomp wrote: »

agreed his form kicks ass, as well as impressive weights by the looks of things .. i cant help feeling he is living out somebody elses dream though, not sure if its fair to be using a kid like that ..

Kid is clearly enjoying himself to be fair....

it's the equivalent of a kid being an amazing soccer player at the age of 8 or whatever imo.

I'm just sorry my folks didn't expose me to weight training at a much younger age when i asked 'em to!

The_Kew_Tour

You can look at this two ways I guess

well once the kid is happy thats all that matters and that he not being pushed into doing soemthing he does not want to do.

Least the kid is healthy etc, Beats playing computer games and watching tv all day and eating junk food etc.

LeoGilly

There also no chance of him being bullied in school!

MrPain

I'd question whether that level of muscle mass is naturally achievable on a child of his age. Unless he has a genetic 'defect' or something. the thought of a parent giving there child steroids just so they can be buff is disgusting though, not saying thats whats happening here but it could be.

rubadub

itsallaboutheL wrote: »

Kid is clearly enjoying himself to be fair....

Yes, I have seen it before on a gymnastics site, some mixed opinions on it. His name is Giuliano Stroe

I found this a lot more disturbing, if you found the previous one was bad then avoid this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klj12Z_ARow

EileenG

MrPain wrote: »

I'd question whether that level of muscle mass is naturally achievable on a child of his age. Unless he has a genetic 'defect' or something. the thought of a parent giving there child steroids just so they can be buff is disgusting though, not saying thats whats happening here but it could be.

Genetic freak! I've a friend whose daughter never willingly moves from in front of the TV, but she has abs like a pro bodybuilder. Seriously, she sucks in and it's like a bar of chocolate. Given a bit of a push in the right direction, she could probably rival that kid.

brianthebard

rubadub wrote: »

Yes, I have seen it before on a gymnastics site, some mixed opinions on it. His name is Giuliano Stroe

I found this a lot more disturbing, if you found the previous one was bad then avoid this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klj12Z_ARow

You don't create a super race to conquer the world without a little work! :pac:

Ellechim

GUYS WAKE UP.

ARE YOU COMPLETELY DERANGED.

THESE ARE CHILDREN.

THIS IS WRONG WRONG WRONG.

IT IS ABUSE. THESE CHILDREN ARE ENTIRELY POWERLESS TO OBJECT OR PUSH BACK.

I'M SURE THAT SOME OF YOU WHO HAVE POSTED ON THIS THREAD ARE PARENTS OR AUNTS OR UNCLES. WOULD YOU HAVE YOUR SON/DAUGHTER/NIECE/NEPHEW DO THIS?

FOR ****'S SAKE WE HAVE A COUNTRY WHICH HAS BEEN RAVAGED BY ABUSE OF CHILDREN AND WE'RE HERE CELEBRATING ABUSE OF ANOTHER NATURE IN OTHER COUNTRIES. IT'S JUST ABUSE OF ANOTHER NATURE.

WHAT KIND OF PLACE AM I LIVING IN?

BY THE WAY, I HAVE DELIBERATELY POSTED IN CAPITALS AS YOUR POSTS MAKE ME SO VERY VERY ANGRY.

I COME ON THIS THREAD FOR IDEAS ON HOW TO IMPROVE MY FITNESS NOT TO SEE CHILD ABUSE?

PEOPLE PLEASE GET REAL

thatsa spicy

Okay

FTA69

He's just doing in an organised way what most kids would do with a mat and a bar. Almost everything he was doing was some version of normal martial arts or gymnastic exercises for kids that age.

He's a strong kid, I reckon I could take him though.

Ellechim,

WOULD YOU HAVE YOUR SON/DAUGHTER/NIECE/NEPHEW DO THIS?

You can be f*ckin sure I would. If you put that youngfella out in Grafton Street doing somersaults you'd make a bloody fortune.

Hanley

Ellechim wrote: »

GUYS WAKE UP.

ARE YOU COMPLETELY DERANGED.

THESE ARE CHILDREN.

THIS IS WRONG WRONG WRONG.

IT IS ABUSE. THESE CHILDREN ARE ENTIRELY POWERLESS TO OBJECT OR PUSH BACK.

I'M SURE THAT SOME OF YOU WHO HAVE POSTED ON THIS THREAD ARE PARENTS OR AUNTS OR UNCLES. WOULD YOU HAVE YOUR SON/DAUGHTER/NIECE/NEPHEW DO THIS?

FOR ****'S SAKE WE HAVE A COUNTRY WHICH HAS BEEN RAVAGED BY ABUSE OF CHILDREN AND WE'RE HERE CELEBRATING ABUSE OF ANOTHER NATURE IN OTHER COUNTRIES. IT'S JUST ABUSE OF ANOTHER NATURE.

WHAT KIND OF PLACE AM I LIVING IN?

BY THE WAY, I HAVE DELIBERATELY POSTED IN CAPITALS AS YOUR POSTS MAKE ME SO VERY VERY ANGRY.

I COME ON THIS THREAD FOR IDEAS ON HOW TO IMPROVE MY FITNESS NOT TO SEE CHILD ABUSE?

PEOPLE PLEASE GET REAL

The only thing being abused is my eyes by that crap you wrote.

Sangre

I'm suing my parents for making me participate in an aggressive, violent sport that constantly inflicted pain on me. I trained hard, I puked, I bled and I broke bones - my parents are monsters!

Now every time I attend a game of rugby I get so worked up by my history of abuse that I start shouting violently and jumping up and down.

My parents have left me a legacy of pain and suffering - the monsters.

EileenG

I pay good money to have my kids do taekwondo where they do press-ups, splits, monkey run, all sorts of jumps and spins and flips. And while there is a certain amount of grumbling when it comes time to go to class, they love being fit and being able to do stuff their friends can't.

itsallaboutheL

Ellechim wrote: »

GUYS WAKE UP.

ARE YOU COMPLETELY DERANGED.

THESE ARE CHILDREN.

THIS IS WRONG WRONG WRONG.

IT IS ABUSE. THESE CHILDREN ARE ENTIRELY POWERLESS TO OBJECT OR PUSH BACK.

I'M SURE THAT SOME OF YOU WHO HAVE POSTED ON THIS THREAD ARE PARENTS OR AUNTS OR UNCLES. WOULD YOU HAVE YOUR SON/DAUGHTER/NIECE/NEPHEW DO THIS?

FOR ****'S SAKE WE HAVE A COUNTRY WHICH HAS BEEN RAVAGED BY ABUSE OF CHILDREN AND WE'RE HERE CELEBRATING ABUSE OF ANOTHER NATURE IN OTHER COUNTRIES. IT'S JUST ABUSE OF ANOTHER NATURE.

WHAT KIND OF PLACE AM I LIVING IN?

BY THE WAY, I HAVE DELIBERATELY POSTED IN CAPITALS AS YOUR POSTS MAKE ME SO VERY VERY ANGRY.

I COME ON THIS THREAD FOR IDEAS ON HOW TO IMPROVE MY FITNESS NOT TO SEE CHILD ABUSE?

PEOPLE PLEASE GET REAL

Obvious Troll is fúcking OTT.

If you have a point you can make civilly surely?

Snowdrop

Ugh! Revolting picture at 02.11. This is wrong on so many levels. I'm all for fit kids but not this. He's what? 6/7 What's next, his baby sister?

Roper

Having your kid fit, flexible, strong and healthy... good.

Sticking it on the internet for all to see... bad.

Kids can't respect their own privacy, so it's up to Mam and Dad to respect it for them. I hope that kid punches his Da right in the nose when he's 18. The only permissable form of this is taking a nude picture of your kid in the bath at age 2 to show to his future girlfriends when they first come to visit. This is a tradition that must be respected.

TommyKnocker

Hi All

I might be wrong but I think Ellechim's post was more about the Chinese Gymnasts training then the original post of the young guy.

And I would have to agree, even though I am not a parent, if I seen an adult treating any young child in the manner these so called gymnastic coaches are treating these children, I would hospitalise the coach, without a doubt.

I thought that second video was sickening.


Best Regards,

M

g'em

Ellechim wrote: »

GUYS WAKE UP.

ARE YOU COMPLETELY DERANGED.

Less of that please. Abusing your fellow posters is hardly the way to get your point across.

Ellechim wrote:

THESE ARE CHILDREN.

THIS IS WRONG WRONG WRONG.

Well, that's the point of this thread - to debate the title "Is this healthy for a young kid??" I don't think you'll find many people agreeing that the treatment of the Chinese children in the second youtube video is particularly right, but in the first one? Doesn't look like the kid is doing it under duress at all.

Ellechim wrote:

IT IS ABUSE. THESE CHILDREN ARE ENTIRELY POWERLESS TO OBJECT OR PUSH BACK.

Again, for the Chinese video, I agree entirely. Although having said that there's apart of me that believes that tough love is a necessarily evil to push someone to their boundaries and beyond, the kind of pushing that's necessary to make a world champion.

Ellechim wrote:

I'M SURE THAT SOME OF YOU WHO HAVE POSTED ON THIS THREAD ARE PARENTS OR AUNTS OR UNCLES. WOULD YOU HAVE YOUR SON/DAUGHTER/NIECE/NEPHEW DO THIS?

Be fit and healthy? Hell yes. Get actively involved in a competitive sport from a young age? Without doubt. Have a Chinese coach guiding them? Probably not.

Ellechim wrote:

FOR ****'S SAKE WE HAVE A COUNTRY WHICH HAS BEEN RAVAGED BY ABUSE OF CHILDREN AND WE'RE HERE CELEBRATING ABUSE OF ANOTHER NATURE IN OTHER COUNTRIES. IT'S JUST ABUSE OF ANOTHER NATURE.

I don't see where anyone's "celebrating" abuse - some tongue in cheek comments, sure, but no celebrating.

Ellechim wrote:

BY THE WAY, I HAVE DELIBERATELY POSTED IN CAPITALS AS YOUR POSTS MAKE ME SO VERY VERY ANGRY.

Don't it just makes a bit of a farce of your post.

Ellechim wrote:

I COME ON THIS THREAD FOR IDEAS ON HOW TO IMPROVE MY FITNESS NOT TO SEE CHILD ABUSE?

This thread has a fairly specific title, not sure how you could come in here looking for advice. I see your point, but I don't think it's at all fair to say that we're advocating or celebrating child abuse here in any way.

In future, if you have a problem with a post please report it instead of 'shouting' at everyone on-thread.

d'Oracle

Zamboni

Regarding the first video of the boy, I can see why an average lazy couch potato would view this as child abuse.
Their perception is so warped as to what is normal, that a kid having any form of strength, balance or fitness must seem bizarre to them.
That boy is only doing what is completely natural for a human child.
It's mostly bodyweight exercises he seems to perform. The human body is meant to climb, run, jump, push, pull, etc. The human body is not particularly suited to 10 hour PS3 sessions fuelled by spaghetti hoops.
Good on him although there is definately an element of a parent living vicariously through him, hence the video on the internet and the craving of fame. I agree with Roper and he should punch his oul lad in the face when he is older.

jeawan

B-Builder wrote: »

Hi All

I might be wrong but I think Ellechim's post was more about the Chinese Gymnasts training then the original post of the young guy.

And I would have to agree, even though I am not a parent, if I seen an adult treating any young child in the manner these so called gymnastic coaches are treating these children, I would hospitalise the coach, without a doubt.

I thought that second video was sickening.


Best Regards,

M

Id agreed with you on this if anyone touched my Child this way they would be hospitalized , I am talking about the Chinese Gymnastic training video the other one he is just very talented.

This

in russia and china the gymnastics training starts while the kids are in nappies.
if the parents were really worried about the kids being tortured they wouldnt send their kids in. ever wonder why ireland has never had an olympics gymnast?!!!

hard work regardless of weather its a 10 year old or a 40 year old is still hard work.... and these people thrive at being good, thrive at learning.... there is an element of pain in every sport, it just happens to be worse in gymnastics.

at the end of the day, i coach kids who end up crying almost every training session..... I dont feel sorry for them, they choose to show up, they choose to come back every session and they leave with a smile, because they are living their dream.

kevpants

This wrote: »

in russia and china the gymnastics training starts while the kids are in nappies.
if the parents were really worried about the kids being tortured they wouldnt send their kids in. ever wonder why ireland has never had an olympics gymnast?!!!

hard work regardless of weather its a 10 year old or a 40 year old is still hard work.... and these people thrive at being good, thrive at learning.... there is an element of pain in every sport, it just happens to be worse in gymnastics.

at the end of the day, i coach kids who end up crying almost every training session..... I dont feel sorry for them, they choose to show up, they choose to come back every session and they leave with a smile, because they are living their dream.

Never the less the Chinese regime is cruel in the extreme. People might think the anti-China idea is just veiled racism. It isn't. The things that go on in that country would astound you. This isn't about being scared of a little hard work. Kids are pushed to breaking point and the few that make it through it with their limbs intact are the freaks who go on to win gold medals. It's a screening program, not a training program.

...and what the hell do you coach? Knife fighting?

PeakOutput

ok the chinese video is a disgrace

the first one i dont have too much of a problem with at all. i find the posing distastefull for some reason not sure why but i do the athletic feats i have no problem with fair play to him

Zamboni

This wrote: »

in russia and china the gymnastics training starts while the kids are in nappies.
if the parents were really worried about the kids being tortured they wouldnt send their kids in. ever wonder why ireland has never had an olympics gymnast?!!!

at the end of the day, i coach kids who end up crying almost every training session..... I dont feel sorry for them, they choose to show up, they choose to come back every session and they leave with a smile, because they are living their dream.

I would rather Ireland never produces Olympic gymnasts if we have to resort to that level of coaching.

Ellechim

Hello

Firstly, I'm not a troll. I've been posting (ok not regularly) on this forum for a few years and I know one of the moderators and he (hopefully) will vouch for me.

I do apologise for losing it - the chinese video really really upset me and it seemed to me that there were some people on here who weren't bothered by it and that fact upset me even more. So I apologise for the strong language.

I've no objection to competitive sport. However it is wrong to 'hothouse' a child for any reason, whether it's sport or academics or music or whatever.

For that first boy to get to the level he demonstrates in the clip I ask, how many hours a day will he have had to trained? How old is he? Maybe six, max seven I would have thought. He so obviously is doing it to please his father - the smaller children in the background copying him so they can please daddy too.

True, Ireland hasn't had an olympic gymnast medal winner (I think) and if the price of that is what was shown on the chinese video then I don't want that glory thanks very much.

And as for children doing it willingly, these children aren't - if you know anything about living in China on many of these things parents get no choice - the children are assessed and then go - many separated from families at a very young age. In fact in Russia for many years children were assessed and hot housed at very early ages into ballet schools, gymnastic schools, etc - having no childhood to speak of. Yes, they went on to achieve great things and glory for their nations in their various fields but what the person?

Sorry, I have two small children and I see every day how totally malleable they are and how vulnerable they can be. These clips upset me very much and I am sorry if I offended anyone by my post.

M

amazingemmet

To clear some stuff up as a gymnastics and sports acro coach.

The kid in the first video is good but nothing amazing most of my youth squad could replicate what he's doing.

The chinese training I do agree is abusive but if you see it from the perspective of the chinese. In china atheltes are selected young for physical traits which the chinese believe will develop into a high level gymnast, selection happens very young 4-5, these children are taken from lower class households generally, they are given a good education, food, the best medical care and money is given to the families. If the kids wash out of the gymnastics program they generally move to one of the acrobatic/circus. A lot of my coaches have come from this path as an example mr liu ye, a subsistence farmers son now the head coach in the sf circus school came this route drop out of the gymnastics at 12 and into the circus programs by the age of 14 he'd travelled to 10 different countries and was sending home twice what his parents were earning combined. So when you look at it from this point of view the coaches are really tough on kids because for them the rewards are so high.

Personally I'd suffer the training if the end result meant I could do this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tpCrusP6As

Zamboni

amazingemmet wrote: »

Personally I'd suffer the training if the end result meant I could do this

But you are looking at it from the perspective of an adult.
I doubt you could make such a statement from the perspective of a 5 year old getting lashed out of it for making a technical error.

amazingemmet

Zamboni wrote: »

But you are looking at it from the perspective of an adult.
I doubt you could make such a statement from the perspective of a 5 year old getting lashed out of it for making a technical error.

Completely agree. That said none of the asian acrobats I know regret the path they took.

Roper

Roper wrote: »

Kids can't respect their own privacy, so it's up to Mam and Dad to respect it for them.

I share the same sentiments here.

Especially when it comes to throwing your kid into the limelight.

Oh and this leaves a bad taste in my mouth too, anyone remember little hercules ? : Little Hercules

Roper

Thanks for the context Emmet. I think it's easy to be a Westerner and look down your nose at it but when you live in abject poverty it's a different world. Some of you may know a bit about thaiboxing. Watching 10 year olds kneeing and elbowing each other in Thailand can be a bit disconcerting unless you know the context.

PeakOutput

Roper wrote: »

Thanks for the context Emmet. I think it's easy to be a Westerner and look down your nose at it but when you live in abject poverty it's a different world. Some of you may know a bit about thaiboxing. Watching 10 year olds kneeing and elbowing each other in Thailand can be a bit disconcerting unless you know the context.

it is very disconcerting but i understand it. however what i dont understand is the fight being stopped because one kid is in bits, the bookies refusing to pay out because it wasnt a knock out and the ref restarting the match as a result. this might be an isolated case but it sickened me and stained thai boxing a little for me

Roper

I saw some bogey stuff alright. It's wrong in every way but when you talk to the thais you know why they do it.

Khannie

Kids fighting in Thailand didn't bother me at all actually, but going to the country helps a lot with understanding the reasons. Now I didn't see any bogey stuff. They were wearing gloves that went all the way up to their elbows and when one of them took a (very light) hit in the solar plexus and started crying that was the end of that. This was in the arse end of rural Thailand. Muay Thai over there is like GAA over here. Huge! And if you're gonna reach the top (where there is reasonable money to be made) you need to start very very young.

Let's not forget, boxing clubs here start the kids very young and we have a fine tradition of producing olympic medal winners in boxing.

Transform

i would have to agree with ellichim - when you have your own kid(s) things do change and I would kick the living sh1t out of a coach if he/she treated my child like that!

I have read a few books on gymnastics

e.g. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Chalked-Gymnastics-Merciless-Overzealous-Disorders/dp/0061351466/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1259445102&sr=8-1
and

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Little-Girls-Pretty-Boxes-Breaking/dp/0704344882/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b

My conclusion (even though i love the sport) is that it will give kids a fantastic base but would move her on to another sport when it got too serious - read the books and the life!!

This

While training in Dynamo, Moscow I was told
'I train so hard and do so well because my family depends on the money i win from competitions and I get as sponsership'
from a current olympic medalist. sometimes its not the kids living out the parents dreams, sometimes its the kids making a life for the family.

d'Oracle

This wrote: »

from a current olympic medalist.

I reckon you are trying to be subtle here, but that can only be one person.

badrlampard8

Ellechim wrote: »

GUYS WAKE UP.

ARE YOU COMPLETELY DERANGED.

THESE ARE CHILDREN.

THIS IS WRONG WRONG WRONG.

IT IS ABUSE. THESE CHILDREN ARE ENTIRELY POWERLESS TO OBJECT OR PUSH BACK.

I'M SURE THAT SOME OF YOU WHO HAVE POSTED ON THIS THREAD ARE PARENTS OR AUNTS OR UNCLES. WOULD YOU HAVE YOUR SON/DAUGHTER/NIECE/NEPHEW DO THIS?

FOR ****'S SAKE WE HAVE A COUNTRY WHICH HAS BEEN RAVAGED BY ABUSE OF CHILDREN AND WE'RE HERE CELEBRATING ABUSE OF ANOTHER NATURE IN OTHER COUNTRIES. IT'S JUST ABUSE OF ANOTHER NATURE.

WHAT KIND OF PLACE AM I LIVING IN?

BY THE WAY, I HAVE DELIBERATELY POSTED IN CAPITALS AS YOUR POSTS MAKE ME SO VERY VERY ANGRY.

I COME ON THIS THREAD FOR IDEAS ON HOW TO IMPROVE MY FITNESS NOT TO SEE CHILD ABUSE?

PEOPLE PLEASE GET REAL

I tottaly agree with you. This is just a kid he thinks this is normal :mad:

badrlampard8

PeakOutput wrote: »

ok the chinese video is a disgrace

the first one i dont have too much of a problem with at all. i find the posing distastefull for some reason not sure why but i do the athletic feats i have no problem with fair play to him

You don't have a problem with the first one?!?

That is NOT normal :eek: a five year old with abs and muscles

PeakOutput

badrlampard8 wrote: »

You don't have a problem with the first one?!?

That is NOT normal :eek: a five year old with abs and muscles

all humans have abs and muscles weather they are kids or not

seriously though i never said it was normal that dosnt make it wrong though,obviously im giving the parents the benefit of the doubt that they are not giving the kids anything illegal and assuming thats the case i dont have a big problem with it. i dont like the posing and fake aggression and stuff but thats probably just me

as people have said here there are kids of the same age in ireland who can do those athletic feats aswell or close to it

rubadub

PeakOutput wrote: »

all humans have abs and muscles weather they are kids or not

Yes, and "normal" is being overweight and having a thick layer of fat over those muscles, consuming an average of 3400kcal per day while leading a sedentary lifestyle, and not being fit enough to run 20 yards for a bus.

barred4life

Ellechim wrote: »

GUYS WAKE UP.

ARE YOU COMPLETELY DERANGED.

THESE ARE CHILDREN.

THIS IS WRONG WRONG WRONG.

IT IS ABUSE. THESE CHILDREN ARE ENTIRELY POWERLESS TO OBJECT OR PUSH BACK.

I'M SURE THAT SOME OF YOU WHO HAVE POSTED ON THIS THREAD ARE PARENTS OR AUNTS OR UNCLES. WOULD YOU HAVE YOUR SON/DAUGHTER/NIECE/NEPHEW DO THIS?

FOR ****'S SAKE WE HAVE A COUNTRY WHICH HAS BEEN RAVAGED BY ABUSE OF CHILDREN AND WE'RE HERE CELEBRATING ABUSE OF ANOTHER NATURE IN OTHER COUNTRIES. IT'S JUST ABUSE OF ANOTHER NATURE.

WHAT KIND OF PLACE AM I LIVING IN?

BY THE WAY, I HAVE DELIBERATELY POSTED IN CAPITALS AS YOUR POSTS MAKE ME SO VERY VERY ANGRY.

I COME ON THIS THREAD FOR IDEAS ON HOW TO IMPROVE MY FITNESS NOT TO SEE CHILD ABUSE?

PEOPLE PLEASE GET REAL

HERE HERE ..........SICK CHINESE C*N*S

d'Oracle

I'd say their nervous systems are healthy enough....

BossArky

barred4life wrote: »

HERE HERE ..........SICK CHINESE C*N*S

Infracted. No need for racist abuse.