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Honda Accord/ New prices?

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    #32
    R.O.R
    Registered Users Posts: 12,680 ✭✭✭✭R.O.R


    Biro wrote: »
    I've seen quite a few around. The reason it's not popular is the Irish plebs still think pouring their money into a poverty spec A4 is a better bet. Fools.

    Unfortunately, from a cost perspective it still is. Running costs and depreciation on a base A4 will be lower than any model Accord.


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    #33
    Bazzy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭Bazzy


    I was looking at buying one a hile ago as well prices went up and then dropped again.

    The irish would rather an older bmw/audi than a reliable accord all about badge snobbery if you ask me


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    #34
    Biro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,091 ✭✭✭Biro


    R.O.R wrote: »
    Unfortunately, from a cost perspective it still is. Running costs and depreciation on a base A4 will be lower than any model Accord.

    Running costs? No. An Accord diesel will be just as cheap to run as an A4 diesel. Depreciation might be something, but Audi has to compete with the floods of UK A4s coming over when they price your second hand one, so there may not be just as much in that either. In any case the Accord is a much better car.


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    #35
    R.O.R
    Registered Users Posts: 12,680 ✭✭✭✭R.O.R


    Biro wrote: »
    Running costs? No. An Accord diesel will be just as cheap to run as an A4 diesel. Depreciation might be something, but Audi has to compete with the floods of UK A4s coming over when they price your second hand one, so there may not be just as much in that either. In any case the Accord is a much better car.

    Running Costs - Yes
    A4 - Combined fuel consumption - 5.1 L/100km
    Accord - Combined fuel consumption - 5.6 L/100km

    A4 - Road Tax - €156 per annum
    Accord - €302 per annum

    A4 will always hold it's value better than an Accord, that's just the way it is, regardless of the amount of competition coming in from the UK.

    This isn't just wild speculation, it's my job to compare this sort of thing.


    I will agree that the Accord is a nicer car, but there isn't a lot in it.


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    #36
    Biro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,091 ✭✭✭Biro


    R.O.R wrote: »
    Running Costs - Yes
    A4 - Combined fuel consumption - 5.1 L/100km
    Accord - Combined fuel consumption - 5.6 L/100km

    A4 - Road Tax - €156 per annum
    Accord - €302 per annum

    A4 will always hold it's value better than an Accord, that's just the way it is, regardless of the amount of competition coming in from the UK.

    This isn't just wild speculation, it's my job to compare this sort of thing.


    I will agree that the Accord is a nicer car, but there isn't a lot in it.

    Compare like with like. The 120bhp A4 is in the €156 category. The 140bhp is in the €302, and is still a few bhp short of the Accord. The Accord engine is better and more refined, the difference in fuel economy is so miniscule that different driving styles will have a far greater impact on it, the Accord is bigger, better equiped, better looking, better engineered, better handling and better value. Also isn't 10 a penny! But let people off with their A4's if they like.


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    #37
    R.O.R
    Registered Users Posts: 12,680 ✭✭✭✭R.O.R


    Biro wrote: »
    Compare like with like. The 120bhp A4 is in the €156 category. The 140bhp is in the €302, and is still a few bhp short of the Accord. The Accord engine is better and more refined, the difference in fuel economy is so miniscule that different driving styles will have a far greater impact on it, the Accord is bigger, better equiped, better looking, better engineered, better handling and better value. Also isn't 10 a penny! But let people off with their A4's if they like.

    You were comparing paddy spec A4's to the Accord. Paddy spec means the cheapest so that's what my comparison was based on. The 136bhp E Model A4 actually falls in to category A (119g) for emissions so is €104 to tax, and has lower consumption. The 143bhp Model (manual Saloon) also falls in to category B for emissions and is therefore €156 to tax. Consumption only increases to 5.3 L/100km so still better than the Accord.

    The Accord is bigger, but not by a lot, base spec models between the 2 have very little difference. The A4 handles better than the Accord, but the new Accord is much better than the outgoing model - still not quite on par with the Audi though.

    At current pricing, the Accord does not represent better value for money than a base model A4 - for the reasons I outlined in this post and a previous post. I wish it did, then I'd have more Accords to choose from in 3 or 4 years time when they are returned. For the moment I have no new model Accords and that's the way it will stay while it's more expensive for companies to lease an Accord than an A4.


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    #38
    TomMc
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    I like the look of the new Accord Estate as well, particularly the back of it (tailgate, glass and lighting arrangement). The saloon model and especially with what I would class as an American type front grill, looks very generic and bland. The interior and dash layout reminds me of the current 5-series. Overall you just know the car is extremely well built and will be very reliable. A cut above more pretentious entry-level German offerings. Alas the new model will further undermine the residuals of the older one, yet give it two more years and this newer model will be available in the UK with 50% depreciation on the new list price. So better to wait and also buy used.


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    #39
    Bazzy
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    Whats the warranty on accord v a4 and servicing costs between the two?

    Does the a4 have a timing chain or belt?


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    #40
    Tea 1000
    Registered Users Posts: 4,520 ✭✭✭Tea 1000


    R.O.R wrote: »
    The Accord is bigger, but not by a lot, base spec models between the 2 have very little difference. The A4 handles better than the Accord, but the new Accord is much better than the outgoing model - still not quite on par with the Audi though.
    Couldn't agree with this. A4 is very numb - absolute zero feedback, poor ride over rough surfaces at low speeds, grips well but not fantastic when pushed. More to handling than grip! The Accord deals with the poor surfaces much better and has a more sophisticated chassis for twisty roads. You know what's going on with it.


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    #41
    Green Hornet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,305 ✭✭✭Green Hornet


    Tea 1000 wrote: »
    Couldn't agree with this. A4 is very numb - absolute zero feedback, poor ride over rough surfaces at low speeds, grips well but not fantastic when pushed. More to handling than grip! The Accord deals with the poor surfaces much better and has a more sophisticated chassis for twisty roads. You know what's going on with it.

    Far, far better looking car than the A4 as well.


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