anyone here lift weights but dont use protein or creatine etc?

kumate_champ07

just wondering if everyone these days is using supplements

Blackie93

Nope i dont.
I dont have anything against people who take protein though?

itsallaboutheL

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

just wondering if everyone these days is using supplements

This be me, most of the time...

Buy about 3kg of protein a year.

kumate_champ07

I dont think whey is as effective as its marketed to be, I get better results with meat and dairy. dairy has whey but not much, 1 litre of milk has 6g of whey

itsallaboutheL

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

I dont think whey is as effective as its marketed to be, I get better results with meat and dairy. dairy has whey but not much, 1 litre of milk has 6g of whey

Whey is dairy... it's a by product of cheese making...

arybvtcw0eolkf

Apart from a multi-Vit & Omega III I don't take any suppliments, couldn't be arsed tbh.

squod

I don't, digesting dairies is another thing Squod can't do. BTW anyone got a good alternative?

itsallaboutheL

squod wrote: »

I don't, digesting dairies is another thing Squod can't do. BTW anyone got a good alternative?

Soya Protein, Egg Protein

kumate_champ07

itsallaboutheL wrote: »

Whey is dairy... it's a by product of cheese making...

yes I know what whey is, I studied food technology 10years ago in DIT!
(and left after 3months..)
80% of milk protein is casein

most people take 2 scoops of whey a day? thats 60g of whey, to get that amount a more natural way(by natural I mean something the human digestive system is use to over many many generations)you would need to drink 10litres of milk a day

kumate_champ07

itsallaboutheL wrote: »

Soya Protein, Egg Protein

soya protein isnt that great, it can actually increase estrogen levels in men

kumate_champ07

whey is not really a by product, its already in dairy but in smaller amounts. its used in glue manufacturing, well prob not anymore as most glues use synthetic ingredients now

squod

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

soya protein isnt that great, it can actually increase estrogen levels in men

Always suspected soy was for ghey folk. I'm hoping someone suggests sausages. That'll make me feel better about eating them all the time.

Vampireskiss

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

most people take 2 scoops of whey a day? thats 60g of whey, to get that amount a more natural way(by natural I mean something the human digestive system is use to over many many generations)you would need to drink 10litres of milk a day

Where did you come up with that?Thats not true, there is just under 20g of protein in a pint of milk so you would need alot less than 10 litres


There is no advantage of taking any type of protein powder over real food except for maybe convienence

b12mearse

whey makes me wanna puke. my best protein comes from flaxseeds and fish. im trying to lay off the meat. long term effects are bad im opinion.

squod

b12mearse wrote: »

whey makes me wanna puke. my best protein comes from flaxseeds and fish. im trying to lay off the meat. long term effects are bad im opinion.

http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/nut-and-seed-products/3163/2

Where can I get these flaxseeds from?

b12mearse

you can get them in most health shops. they go by the name of linseeds aswel.

itsallaboutheL

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

whey is not really a by product, its already in dairy but in smaller amounts. its used in glue manufacturing, well prob not anymore as most glues use synthetic ingredients now

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/By-product

kumate_champ07

Vampireskiss wrote: »

Where did you come up with that?Thats not true, there is just under 20g of protein in a pint of milk so you would need alot less than 10 litres


There is no advantage of taking any type of protein powder over real food except for maybe convienence

there is usually 33g of protein in a litre of milk, 16g in a pint

kumate_champ07

itsallaboutheL wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/By-product

its not a true byproduct as its in dairy and is already useful. its a by product in cheese production, its not something that is being wasted normally

that wiki page has salt listed as a by product but its not technically a by-product

in that case you could call a baby a by-product of sex!

gottaluvlabs

a friend of mine was a bodybuilder for years he won Mr Ireland NABBA and IFBB and competed in the Mr Universe he weights around 90kg and is in great shape.

Funny thing is he doesnt believe you get much from protein and most supplements all he takes is udos oil which he takes alot of but he gets all hes protein from food mainly turkey which he eats tons of and he eats alot of brown and white rice, porridge, egg whites and veg.

Always found it interesting hes always in good nick

Transform

there is no evidence protein supplements are any better than real food - just handier and from my experience many people reack for supplements without looking at their program first i.e. intensity, design, are you getting stronger etc

corkcomp

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

just wondering if everyone these days is using supplements

dont use any supps what so ever, just a lot of caffeine !

jaggiebunnet

corkcomp wrote: »

dont use any supps what so ever, just a lot of caffeine !

same here!

celestial

The only supplements I take are fish oils (Eskimo 3) and zinc. The odd multivitamin from time to time.

I don't take shakes. Protein appears to have hallowed status around here. I take it as a good thing that I avoid ingredients like sucralose, acesulfame K and aspartame, ever present in protein shakes. The jury is still out on the safety of these artificial substances.

fifth

Only multivitamins and plenty of milk, fish, chicken, etc..eat a lot.

Vampireskiss

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

there is usually 33g of protein in a litre of milk, 16g in a pint

So why did you say you would need 10 litres of milk to get the same amount of protein as 60g of whey?

Money Shot

I have some whey at home, but rarely use it to be honest. It's really there just for emergencies and to throw in some home made flapjacks, muffins etc.

I don't see the point in using creatine either, unless you are a competing at a relatively high level of sport, even then, for a lot ot sports, I don't see the point..

Yapamillias

Money Shot wrote: »

I don't see the point in using creatine either, unless you are a competing at a relatively high level of sport, even then, for a lot ot sports, I don't see the point..

Creatine is beneficial for repeated measures weightlifting or explosive sports...id say 5x5 stronglifts or other strength training it would have a decent impact on (depending on the effect it has on the individual- works better for some people as opposed to others)

alder

a weird question. u don't use protein = u are dead

'rite there, creatine in fact is a supplement which helps you to build lean muscle faster. however, creatine is a narutal thing u can find in meat. there might be a difference if ye lift weights and take creatine or if ye lift and dont take it.

protein - well if ye wanna build some muscle u should supply ur body in certain amount of proteins. let's say it's 2grams of proteins per 1 kg of your body per 24hrs. if u are 60kgs, its easy to supply in 120g of proteins. in ma case its way harder. 105kgs of living meat. thats 210g of proteins per day. if I eat 4 meals/day, i'm not able to provide 50g per meal. even if i was, 40g of proteins is the maximum one's body can fully take at once. so I DO DRINK protein shakes. one before i go to bed and 2-3 during the day if my meal doesn't contain 40g of proteins. if i was 18 now, eating 7 meals a day, wouldn't have to use shakes.
so that's kinda explanation why people use protein shakes. the diet is 60% of success. if its good but still ain't got proteins enough, then protein shakes are kinda refill.

and i'm the one who tries to build mass with protein 'only'. recently. i will do a creatine cycle soon, why not ? specially theres so many people taking steroids, so why cant i take creatine or other legal and natural supplements ? it always works on your psyche so u might get better results.

BobbyOLeary

b12mearse wrote: »

im trying to lay off the meat. long term effects are bad im opinion.

Yeah me too, the last thing I want is to keep my muscle mass into my senior years.

And OP, I know plenty of folk who get on just fine without protein shakes and I also know loads who get on just fine with them. It's more of a convenience thing really, I prefer eating steaks but if I can't get one in time then it's going to be a shake.

Edwardius

Vampireskiss wrote: »

So why did you say you would need 10 litres of milk to get the same amount of protein as 60g of whey?

33g protein per litre, 80% casein, 20% whey so 6.6g whey per litre => for 60g whey ya need to get 9.09L of milk. Ya got yer wires crossed.

BraziliaNZ

I don't take any supplements. The only protein sources I get are a can of fish at lunchtime (mackerel or salmon or tuna), and about 150g of chicken or turkey or fish at dinnertime.

I weigh 83kg, bench 90kg x 4, squat 120kg x 4.

So I'm not sure, maybe only certain people need these supplements.

alder

what about your muscle mass ?

bigeasyeah

I lift weights regularly and dont take protein but my diet has always been good with big dinners.I used to take protein supplements and found them good but as far as I concerned protein from food is by far better.However at the time convenience was a priority.

alder

obviously protein from food is better. the best way is to try set the diet so it's protein enough.

d'Oracle

http://www.fitnessspotlight.com/2009/11/10/how-much-protein-per-day-build-muscle/

This is on Crossfit.ie today.

Coincidence?

alder

keeping 2 grams per 1kg of body weight per day is good enough.

LittleLebowski

Sometimes its handy to have a drum of protein. For about a half hour after a workout your body is crying out for it. A shake is perfect.

aDeener

itsallaboutheL wrote: »

Whey is dairy... it's a by product of cheese making...

indeed it is miss muffet

alder

LittleLebowski wrote: »

Sometimes its handy to have a drum of protein. For about a half hour after a workout your body is crying out for it. A shake is perfect.

crying not for protein only. for carbohydrates as well. high GI carbos+whey protein will do great. might be potatoes+fish ;>

davmol

I find taking whey gives more protein and cuts out unwanted things like cholesterol and fats.Im aware we need both and that there is a small amount of cholesterol in whey but the protein to cholesterol/fats ratio would be higher in whey i assume......and no dont have any scientific back up!!:cool:

104494431

I take ZMA, vitamin C and Animal Flex for my joints and general health.

I don't take any other supplement. I have protein in the house, if I ever need some food and I haven't got time to make it or for whatever reason I just use it instead. In general I prefer to just get my energy, vitamins and minerals from food rather than supplement. I found ZMa very beneficial, Vitamin C and the joint complex also help.

thehamo

b12mearse wrote: »

whey makes me wanna puke. my best protein comes from flaxseeds and fish. im trying to lay off the meat. long term effects are bad im opinion.

I'd be more worried about the long term effects of fish to be honest! Fish have high levels of mercury among other things contained in them. I remember watching an interview with Jeremy Piven (The dean in "old School") and he said he collapsed on stage once and had no explination. Turns out he had mercury poisoning because he ate so much fish and no meat.

So be careful!

kumate_champ07

thehamo wrote: »

I'd be more worried about the long term effects of fish to be honest! Fish have high levels of mercury among other things contained in them. I remember watching an interview with Jeremy Piven (The dean in "old School") and he said he collapsed on stage once and had no explination. Turns out he had mercury poisoning because he ate so much fish and no meat.

So be careful!

ye its not a good idea to eat too much fish these days. In japan they have a new school dinner initiative of free whale meat for kids but its on the menu everyday and other countries are worried about their kids! they had a lot of health problems a few decades ago that were mercury related

I might do some salmon fishing up in Donegal some time, not for fun/sport just for food! thinking of building a little smoking hut, nothin like a bit for delicious free protein!

alder

canned fish like tuna has the biggest amount of mercury.

Colm_OReilly

d'Oracle wrote: »

http://www.fitnessspotlight.com/2009/11/10/how-much-protein-per-day-build-muscle/

This is on Crossfit.ie today.

Coincidence?

Serendipitous more like. Links are scheduled with posts up to a week in advance.

pebbles21

:eek:I wont even have a w8nk ,im so afraid of losing any protein !

itsallaboutheL

This thread is full of shit

brianthebard

I haven't eaten any protein supplements in about 2 months or more and I'm weak as shi.t now. Coincidence????

squod

brianthebard wrote: »

I haven't eaten any protein supplements in about 2 months or more and I'm weak as shi.t now. Coincidence????

In fairness, I've tried whey protien shakes. I can't digest them properly. I'd like to try them for a longer period. D'you really find a difference? Is it 1RMs or is in the weight per rep?

brianthebard

squod wrote: »

In fairness, I've tried whey protien shakes. I can't digest them properly. I'd like to try them for a longer period. D'you really find a difference? Is it 1RMs or is in the weight per rep?

Sorry I was taking the piss tbh. If you can't digest lactose then obviously there's no point in eating protein supps, although you could try an isolate before completely throwing in the towel. I do find a difference, I feel 'normal' sooner after training by downing a shake with some glucose, and a shake at night is nice cause I hate going to bed hungry. Plus adding protein powder to food offers lots of possibilities for better meals and desserts.
I find the concept of this thread kind of funny though because really it comes down to personal preference how you decide to get your nutrition in, same as you might decide to eat beef and I might have turkey.