Irish army could be deployed on the streets to combat rioting.

Run_to_da_hills

Reading in the Independent the Army are to be provide with €300,000 worth of anti riot kit. This my not seem a lot but it would certainly provide enough soldiers with enough perspex shields, batons, pepper spray and stun guns. :eek:

We may be asking ourselves why the hell would we need he army out in the streets quelling riots? Answer to that could be that the Gardai themselves may be the ones that could be rioting.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/8364300000-spent-on-irish-army-riot-kit-1943964.html

Palmerstown_guy

I can't believe we let the gangland murders pile up and then call the army in for some riots. Priorities?

Pathetic.

mickoneill30

Palmerstown_guy wrote: »

I can't believe we let the gangland murders pile up and then call the army in for some riots. Priorities?

Pathetic.

Are you saying you'd want the army in to investigate murders?

Palmerstown_guy

Palmerstown_guy wrote: »

I can't believe we let the gangland murders pile up and then call the army in for some riots. Priorities?

Pathetic.

How the heck would the army stop gangland murders?

And why would there be any priority on stopping gangland murders?
More innocent people get hurt in riots.

Dartz

It is one of the specific duties of the army after all, as definied by the constitution.

Aid the Civil Power, or somesuch.

It doesn't really surprise me at all.

K-Ren

Did anyone else just think of pirates roaming the streets?

The Arrrrrrrrmy.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Come budget day, this may well prove to be money well spent!

Palmerstown_guy

It would be one way to deter them from selling drugs to the public, so yes, I would!

Gangland violence, drugs directly and indirectly affects all of Dublin. A clamp down by the army and a good shake up would be the right thing.

Davexirl

At least they'll be prepared!!!

tallaght01

So what.

godtabh

I think they are expecting what happened in Iceland to happen here

Long Onion

The Irish army deployed to quell the rioting mobs?

No tanks.

Sheeps

We should get actually use our defense forces for something. Make them worth paying for. Deploy them in a warzone for peace keeping duties, like Finglas or Moyross or somewhere like that.

Biggins

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Come budget day, this may well prove to be money well spent!

There could be more truth in that than might be in jest?

Palmerstown_guy

If the Army could prevent even one less gangland murder...just to reduce the number of dead bodies turning up, ...it would be beneficial to all of Dublin.

Run_to_da_hills

Palmerstown_guy wrote: »

If the Army could prevent even one less gangland murder...just to reduce the number of dead bodies turning up, ...it would be beneficial to all of Dublin.

Anti riot equipment is fe*ck all good in fighting gangland murders.

Biggins

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Anti riot equipment is fe*ck all good in fighting gangland murders.

Very true. Riot gear by its very nature, is for crowd control.
Since when have we seen large rioting people in relation to gangland murders?
I smell a rat and someone in a government department is preparing for trouble elsewhere (I wonder where or why! :rolleyes: ) and someone is using a miserable poor excuse to stock up for the near future?
Thats that notion again that they think we are all stupid! Sadly, they know some will fall for it.

godtabh

Just looking at the link again and it doesnt metion gangland any where

I_am_Jebus

TBH, just sounds like more stirring the sh1t.

I can't see the army being deployed and I can't see mass rioting anyway. It's not in our general nature. Unless of course you've a wardrobe full of celtic jerseys and an "Eire 32" tattoo. :rolleyes:


EDIT:

Asked if the equipment was being procured to cope with large-scale public demonstrations over government cutbacks and policies a Defence Forces spokesman said: "No. It's being bought to replace existing stocks."

He explained that the Army has a crowd control anti-riot role if needed but "since the Troubles we have had a stock of anti-riot equipment in barracks, its been that way since the Seventies".

"But, no, we have not been told to be ready for November 24," he said, referring to the the proposed national strike on that day.

So you have the above in the article and yet the opening sentence of the article is:

The Army is gearing up to deal with possible public disorder on our streets.

More OTT retarded journalism....

If i was so inclined I'd weep for the future of this country

Long Onion

I'm all for it, provided we get an undertaking that they will practice out in Rossport.

Biggins

kearnsr wrote: »

Just looking at the link again and it doesn't mention gangland anywhere.

True.
Just out of curiosity, what happens to the older riot gear? Anyone know?
Can I buy it?

Mr. Presentable

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Reading in the Independent the Army are to be provide with €300,000 worth of anti riot kit. This my not seem a lot but it would certainly provide enough soldiers with enough perspex shields, batons, pepper spray and stun guns. :eek:

We may be asking ourselves why the hell would we need he army out in the streets quelling riots? Answer to that could be that the Gardai themselves may be the ones that could be rioting.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/8364300000-spent-on-irish-army-riot-kit-1943964.html

COULD!
COULD! COULD! COULD!

Did you even read the article you're spouting off about?

This is replacement gear. It is replacing gear they already have. It is not a new equipping of the defence forces to batter tree huggers. It is to provide them with a defence against violent law-breakers, mostly anticipated for use (if the past is anything to go by) in peace-keeping missions overseas.

arybvtcw0eolkf

nipplenuts wrote: »

This is replacement gear. It is replacing gear they already have. It is not a new equipping of the defence forces to batter tree huggers. It is to provide them with a defence against violent law-breakers, mostly anticipated for use (if the past is anything to go by) in peace-keeping missions overseas.

This might be of some internet to you. Its a RTE news clip showing our troops quelling rioting Albanian's in Kosovo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM1Vbs5L0t4

Its worth a watch.

the locust

OP
- All armies train for rioting this article is nothing unusual

- 300,000 isn't a lot of money at all. Its really not when your talking about full riot gear for the army

- The defense forces said themselves this isn't a response to public unrest over govt cutbacks. They won't be taking to the irish streets any time yet.

- The defense forces hinted that they are merely replacing their stock, as a lot of thier riot gear is 30 years old.

Mr. Presentable

Hadley Raspy Grass wrote: »

This might be of some internet to you. Its a RTE news clip showing our troops quelling rioting Albanian's in Kosovo.


Its worth a watch.

It is of "internet" to me That's what I was reminded of when I was posting. It illustrates the need for good equipment well.

Palmerstown_guy

The point was, there are spending all this tax money and throwing in the army for some "riots" and sitting back and doing feck all for our bigger drug gangland problem. Sad.

Theta

The money was prob already in the budget for the army and besides that it will most likely be used abroad rather then here.

And as for the gangland argument the money like I said is most likely part of the budget for the army so its not like they are taking money away from anything.

Jumpy

Heh. All this ire and no one has copped who wrote the thread.

neil_purdy

Palmerstown_guy wrote: »

It would be one way to deter them from selling drugs to the public, so yes, I would!

Gangland violence, drugs directly and indirectly affects all of Dublin. A clamp down by the army and a good shake up would be the right thing.

WHAT??????

funk-you

You got your tin-foil had and throwing rock ready RTDH?

-Funk

hobochris

Bringing in the army to deal with gang land violence would be a very silly and over the top move, In fact it would contradict our legal system.

The army are trained to fight in wars, provide security and piece keeping, step in to keep basic services running in the event of an emergency and protect the sovereignty of the Irish state.

They are not trained to deal with civilian crime such as drugs and gang land violence, if they were brought in for such an issue it would be more likely that they would end up in a fire fight with the gangs or in the course of arresting the gang members they would impeach on there civil liberties which in turn would have the case struck out in court as a military arrest is different to a civil arrest performed by the Garda.

SEPT 23 1989

I would really hope the army would see sense and join with the people and overthrow this government

douglashyde

If we do over throw our Government, I baggsie position of Ceann Comhairle.

sbsquarepants

Palmerstown_guy wrote: »

It would be one way to deter them from selling drugs to the public, so yes, I would!

I think you need to take your head out of the sand, the reason there is so much drugs about is not because of poor policing or law inforcement, it's because of an absolutely endless stream of willing customers. That is not ever going to change, army or no army! Laws come and go and constantly change over time, human nature - not so much. Some people will always be willing to buy and some people will always be willing to sell, the law and inforcement there of, by police, army, vigilanties or whatever scarcely enters into it. And on another point, one gangster shooting another gangster is hardly all that important in the scheme of things, most people (not all of course) who get shot in this country, kind of had it coming to them, why waste millions of tax payers money pursuing it or trying to prevent it, there are far more pressing problems to be addressed.

ejmaztec

hobochris wrote: »

Bringing in the army to deal with gang land violence would be a very silly and over the top move, In fact it would contradict our legal system.

The army are trained to fight in wars, provide security and piece keeping, step in to keep basic services running in the event of an emergency and protect the sovereignty of the Irish state.

They are not trained to deal with civilian crime such as drugs and gang land violence, if they were brought in for such an issue it would be more likely that they would end up in a fire fight with the gangs or in the course of arresting the gang members they would impeach on there civil liberties which in turn would have the case struck out in court as a military arrest is different to a civil arrest performed by the Garda.

The only gangsters relevant to this thread are the ones running(?) the country.:p

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

funk-you wrote: »

You got your tin-foil had and throwing rock ready RTDH?

-Funk

Government issue!

douglashyde

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I would really hope the army would see sense and join with the people and overthrow this government

Yeah that worked out wonderful the last time

kowloon

I have a feeling this would have gone unreported had it happened at another time.

IvySlayer

Riot Gear?

Sure don't they have guns

I do think in certain bad areas if there's trouble the Gardai should have the army as back up. Scumbags faced with a few tanks and soldiers.

john_d_baptist

there could never be any prolonged rioting of any real significance... we dont have desperate people in sufficient numbers like there was in the North during the troubles... and by desperate, I mean people who have been victims of police brutality, who have been shot at randomly by the army and murdered, who have lost friends and family by violent means, who have been discriminated against and who have been kept in the lower tier of society.

Fianna Fail wont hold contempteous parades, they wont send in the police to haul innocent people out of bed in the middle of the night and intern them, they wont issue the army with a shoot to kill policy...

at very most, what will happen here is what we saw on O'Connell street during the 'love Ulster' parade... it will be short lived, and will be at the hands of a drunken mob wearing Celtic tops.

humanji

Biggins wrote: »

True.
Just out of curiosity, what happens to the older riot gear? Anyone know?
Can I buy it?

They give it to the gangs so that instead of shooting each other, they just give savage beatings.

ejmaztec

john_d_baptist wrote: »

there could never be any prolonged rioting of any real significance... we dont have desperate people in sufficient numbers like there was in the North during the troubles... and by desperate, I mean people who have been victims of police brutality, who have been shot at randomly by the army and murdered, who have lost friends and family by violent means, who have been discriminated against and who have been kept in the lower tier of society.

Fianna Fail wont hold contempteous parades, they wont send in the police to haul innocent people out of bed in the middle of the night and intern them, they wont issue the army with a shoot to kill policy...

at very most, what will happen here is what we saw on O'Connell street during the 'love Ulster' parade... it will be short lived, and will be at the hands of a drunken mob wearing Celtic tops.

I'd say that the ones who didn't vote for FF represent a significant number of desperate people. The government will be forced to take desperate measures if things get out of hand.

If Ireland had been some South American republic, it would have already happened. We're all suckers in this part of the world though.:(

Theta

Biggins wrote: »

True.
Just out of curiosity, what happens to the older riot gear? Anyone know?
Can I buy it?

Christmas shop this year is gonna be eeeeasy!

tonedef

Palmerstown_guy wrote: »

If the Army could prevent even one less gangland murder...just to reduce the number of dead bodies turning up, ...it would be beneficial to all of Dublin.

Ah, not everyone lives in Dublin. In fact, most people don't

Palmerstown_guy

It is our capital, no? And it has the most gangland murders, so it makes sense to use the army in Dublin if gardai are not doing their job.

I totally agree, there is a huge demand for drugs that's why there is an ugly gangland warfare going on but the question how do we tackle this? If we made it difficult and uncomfortable for them to sell and provide joe public with drugs such as cocaine it would be better for all of us and at least a deterrent for this stain on our city.

mickoneill30

How many murders were there in Ireland last year? About 50? I'm not sure of that number, I heard it on the radio. It might be a bit higher. I'm sure somebody here will have the proper stats. How many of those murders were unsolved?

Not really time to be deploying the army just yet.

Theta

Yeah I mean 50 is not exactly a martial law figure, and they are not just shooting anybody they are shooting other drug dealers so I couldnt give a toss.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

irlmarc wrote: »

Christmas shop this year is gonna be eeeeasy!

That's because everyone's goingto be broke.

dillon1 wrote: »

Ah, not everyone lives in Dublin. In fact, most people don't

Well, we'll send a few down to wherver you are and you can use them to deal with whatever crime problems you have down there. Deal?

TheZohanS

Palmerstown_guy wrote: »

It is our capital, no? And it has the most gangland murders, so it makes sense to use the army in Dublin if gardai are not doing their job.

I totally agree, there is a huge demand for drugs that's why there is an ugly gangland warfare going on but the question how do we tackle this? If we made it difficult and uncomfortable for them to sell and provide joe public with drugs such as cocaine it would be better for all of us and at least a deterrent for this stain on our city.

This is not the Dublin Forum, this is After Hours we cater for the entire country here, even Cork.

This is the Dublin Forum.

BennyLava

A better solution would be to give the riot gear to the unemployed (sort of community service for the dole if you will), so when the guards riot after their December pay cuts the unemployed could be used to contain them

Wouldn't that look interesting on the news

AckwelFoley

Athlone has one of the biggest barricks outside Dublin.

Everyone in athlone has a member of their family or at least a few friends in the army.

Do we need them to stop riots? Dont know if id set them on rioters with a clear conscience.. i know a fair few of the lads in the barricks in athlone... complete head cases.. itching for combat.. on chap i know was in the rangers - just qualified.. he was kicked out of the rangers for knocking out his CO apparently. lol