Amhrán na bhFiann be thought to school children?

john-joe

Hi, does anyone think the National Anthem should be taught to kids in school from a young age?

I know in USA they take a Pledge of Allegiance each morning before school (and in some cases they sing their National Anthem)

So why do we not do something similar here?:pac::pac:

Is it wrong to be patriotic now days

http://www.irishroots.org/aoh/anthem.htm

JJ

Okay I messed up on my heading, (tought instead of taught) head held in shame

wudangclan

It's a song about going out and killing people.
Of course it should be taught to kids.

mloc

john-joe wrote: »

Is it wrong to be patriotic now days

Yes

Sheeps

They should focus more on spelling. In particular the difference between words like "thought" and "taught".

phasers

It's hard enough to get kids to learn Irish and you wanna throw that at them?

thegen

Yes it should be.

john-joe

Sheeps wrote: »

They should focus more on spelling. In particular the difference between words like "thought" and "taught".

Doh!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

I always taught (deliberate) it was...

ToniTuddle

Yup it should. I only know the first line or two! Then again I think most people only know that much

bigeasyeah

Yes it should.

sdanseo

Taught yes, sung each morning no. And I'd include non-national kids because if they're that young then chances are they're going to be first/second generation Irish so they'll be brought up Irish, in effect.

brianthebard

I was taught this in primary school (sort of) was that not the case everywhere? I don't see the controversy here op.

opinion guy

Is it wrong to be patriotic now days

Yes

My name is URL

Shin a feena fall
air taw fwee gar neg hair in
bween dar slow
...

phasers

My name is URL wrote: »

Shin a feena fall
air taw fwee gar neg hare in
bween dar slow
...

Close enough.


We should teach the kids this version, and then how to lipsync.

john-joe

brianthebard wrote: »

I was taught this in primary school (sort of) was that not the case everywhere? I don't see the controversy here op.

Me neither

Corkfeen

Should be taught; its easier than learning the bloody language to be perfectly honest.;) I learnt the verses that noone sings.:D

Seo dhibh a cháirde duan Óglaigh,
Cathréimeach briomhar ceolmhar,
Ár dtinte cnámh go buacach táid,
'S an spéir go min réaltogach
Is fonnmhar faobhrach sinn chun gleo
'S go tiúnmhar glé roimh thíocht do'n ló
Fé chiúnas chaomh na hoiche ar seol:
Seo libh canaídh Amhrán na bhFiann

Curfá
Sinne Firnna Fáil
A tá fé gheall ag Éirinn,
buion dár slua
Thar toinn do ráinig chugainn,
Fé mhóid bheith saor.
Sean tír ár sinsir feasta
Ní fhagfar fé'n tiorán ná fé'n tráil
Anocht a théam sa bhearna bhaoil,
Le gean ar Ghaeil chun báis nó saoil
Le guna screach fé lámhach na bpiléar
Seo libh canaídh Amhrán na bhFiann.

Cois bánta réidhe, ar árdaibh sléibhe,
Ba bhuachach ár sinsir romhainn,
Ag lámhach go tréan fé'n sár-bhrat séin
Tá thuas sa ghaoith go seolta
Ba dhúchas riamh d'ár gcine cháidh
Gan iompáil siar ó imirt áir,
'S ag siúl mar iad i gcoinne námhad
Seo libh, canaídh Amhrán na bhFiann

Curfá

A bhuíon nách fann d'fhuil Ghaeil is Gall,
Sin breacadh lae na saoirse,
Ta scéimhle 's scanradh i gcroíthe namhad,
Roimh ranna laochra ár dtire.
Ár dtinte is tréith gan spréach anois,
Sin luisne ghlé san spéir anoir,
'S an bíobha i raon na bpiléar agaibh:
Seo libh, canaídh Amhrán na bh Fiann.

What a patriotic website completely with polyphonic soundtrack.
http://www.dun-laoghaire.com/irish_anthem.html

bigeasyeah

They should learn it and sing it everyday whilst performing pressups.

fryup

nope, its a bloodthirsty song about killin the brits

we're in the middle of a peace process in this island we need a new less confrontational anthem for the future generations

bigeasyeah

fryup wrote: »

nope, its a bloodthirsty song about killin the brits

we're in the middle of a peace process in this island we need a new less confrontational anthem for the future generations

Yeah we need an anthem like the French.....

aine-maire

If children don't learn it in school,when are they going to learn it?

I learned it back in fifth class:)

phasers

O Canada, Our home and native land...


I know more of the Canadian one than the irish one

sdanseo

mloc wrote: »

Yes

opinion guy wrote: »

Yes

There's a few different levels of patriotism. Just because I love my country won't necessarily make me comparable to a ra-head, for example.

The anthem's in Irish, fairly few people know the translation and even if they do, it's hardly going to cause offence to the Irish is it?

sainttrap

Shoving Connie around a field!!:D

3hn2givr7mx1sc

Yes. I wished I learnt it.
We learned "Ireland's Call".:mad:

biko

Yes, hopefully it'll help them understand Irish better. For a lot of kids it's the most Irish they'll ever hear.

Cheerilee

we learnt it in primary and its stuck ever since, Im glad I know it ,
my son (3) knows it coz it was taught to him in Montessorri, now I get odd looks and quick glances to see where my tricolour tattoos are (they don't exist)in the supermarket when he breaks out in a rendition of Sine Fianna Fail in the dairy aisle:)

ohthebaby

I believe it should be taught in schools. Not sung every morning or anything like that but kids should know the words to it.

I was never, ever taught it in school. I couldn't go further than the first two lines. However I know every word to La Marseillaise thanks to a very enthousiastic French teacher.

derfderf

fryup wrote: »

nope, its a bloodthirsty song about killin the brits

we're in the middle of a peace process in this island we need a new less confrontational anthem for the future generations

maybe we should open our new anthem up to some product placement. The advertisement money would help us a lot more than children knowin the old anthem.

Any key?

brianthebard wrote: »

I was taught this in primary school (sort of) was that not the case everywhere? I don't see the controversy here op.

+1
Kids do learn It in school.

dlofnep

Yes, we should teach our national anthem to school children, as part of cultural education.

And yes, dlofnep knows the anthem and doesn't mumble through the middle bits. I didn't actually learn it in school. Taught it to myself over the course of a week. It's handy enough to pick up. 20 minutes a night for a week and you'll have it down.

mikedragon32

God... Could you imagine the shame of our kids actually knowing their national anthem?

[/sarcasm]

This isn't about being patriotic, nobody is asking them to go and die for the Republic, it's the anthem of our country and it should be a requirement.

What also should be taught in school is when you pump your right fist in the air in the middle of a nightclub/function room while in a drunken stupor during the anthem (if they play it), you're not hard, you're a tosser.

sneakerfreak

For a start it should be "Laochra Fáil" not "Fianna Fáil".

Anyway who cares,its not like we're a real country anyhow.

At this stage you may as well redefine Gaelic as "English with an Irish accent" because thats all most people in this country can manage.This of course is down to not only the campaign by the English to kill the language but also De Valera putting his beloved child rapists in control of education.I don't blame those who can't speak it for not having tried hard enough,it was never going to work with the way it was managed by those in authority.

Sure why dont you get Jedward to write a new one for you all?Im sure most of the population would be all for it,or maybe a competition in The "Irish" Sun.

Yours Sincerely,

Butthurt Gael.

Takk

♫ Ireland! Ireland! Together standing tall... ♫

Really though, I learned it in primary school. I thought kids do. What the hell else Irish are they "learning" then?

Any key?

Every child in my school knows the national anthem and we sing it at every assembly(weekly). I'm fairly sure most schools teach it...whats the problem??

DazMarz

I was more or less taught it in school. I think all kids should know it, if only just so they can sing it at Gaelic and International matches!

And as for not teaching it because it's about killing and war... so many anthems are: French anthem is totally bloodthirsty; British one has references to killing fenians and frustrating their knavish tricks; American one is all about war and bombs bursting in air; etc...

I wouldn't agree with singing it every morning, I'd certainly agree with some form of it being taught in schools.

wudangclan

If we have to engage in nationalistic fervour I'd much prefer something like the lyrics of 'Irelands' Call'.
I'd keep the tune of our present ditty,however; makes my eyes well up every time.

TW Mr Tayto

It was actually on my Christmas test today :P
Strange that I seen this topic


It was cloze procedure though

john-joe

TW Mr Tayto wrote: »

It was actually on my Christmas test today :P
Strange that I seen this topic


It was cloze procedure though

You are the King, MR. Tayto

Run_to_da_hills

Bloody right Amhran Na Bhfiann should be thought in schools. as Gaeilge at that. Count ourselves lucky at the moment, It may soon be banned and replaced this :mad:

Pride Fighter

The proper version should be taught, sinne laochra fail. No way should those Fianna Fail scumbags be in our national anthem:mad::mad:

Happy Monday

DazMarz wrote: »

I was more or less taught it in school. I think all kids should know it, if only just so they can sing it at Gaelic and International matches!

And as for not teaching it because it's about killing and war... so many anthems are: French anthem is totally bloodthirsty; British one has references to killing fenians and frustrating their knavish tricks; American one is all about war and bombs bursting in air; etc...

I wouldn't agree with singing it every morning, I'd certainly agree with some form of it being taught in schools.

Don't think there is a reference to fenians - scots maybe not fenians.
Would have thought a Chelsea fan would have been well aware of that!
I disagree with singing it every morning - what are we - North Korea.

pablomakaveli

I think it should be taught. It's no more a violent song than many other anthems.

That "Irelands Call" is a musical abomination.:mad:

ballsymchugh

sneakerfreak wrote: »

For a start it should be "Laochra Fáil" not "Fianna Fáil".

Anyway who cares,its not like we're a real country anyhow.

At this stage you may as well redefine Gaelic as "English with an Irish accent" because thats all most people in this country can manage.This of course is down to not only the campaign by the English to kill the language but also De Valera putting his beloved child rapists in control of education.I don't blame those who can't speak it for not having tried hard enough,it was never going to work with the way it was managed by those in authority.

Yours Sincerely,

Butthurt Gael.

or as we like to call it, irish. chip on shoulder? it's not about the language, it's about the anthem. and if kevin kilbane can sit down and learn it, then shame on anyone who was brought up in this country who can't!!

partyatmygaff

I would never sing that anthem every morning, maybe at a match e.t.c If I had to. I learnt it in primary in all its entirety but nowadays all I know is the first 4 lines or so.

Patriotism in this country usually means your a dissident who paints their car Green white and Orange

stovelid

No harm whatsoever in kids being taught the anthem.

It's just the mongos that think you're duty-bound to stand up for it that should be put down.

wudangclan

The lyrics are about sitting around in a field at night,with a rifle,waiting to take a pot-shot at a brit...
...takes me back about 10/15 years or so.
Wonderful sentiments to be teaching to children.

chopperbyrne

All the third classes were taught it in my school except mine as our teacher was from up north.

I still don't know the words.

emobama

Humm!

I'm surprised that there would be any question of whither our countries song which represents our nationality at all sporting events (except rugby) and Political summits world wide would be thought to our next generation of (our children) leaders!

YES Damn right it should, is it not????

thanks for bringing it to my attention though!!

john-joe

emobama wrote: »

Humm!

I'm surprised that there would be any question of whither our countries song which represents our nationality at all sporting events (except rugby) and Political summits world wide would be taught to our next generation of (our children) leaders!

YES Damn right it should, is it not????

thanks for bringing it to my attention though!!

FYP *

Now that's ironic! :rolleyes:

jumpguy

I think it is. I learned it in primary school anyway...