UCC students - encouraged to get drunk?

yerayeah

Eliot Rosewater wrote: »

Headline: UCC Forum attack on UCC majority dissenter SHOCKER!

The SU allows clubs to promote. Promotions in form of cheap shots. Shots generally to get drunk. SU in promoting drunkenness SHOCKER!

Ooops sorry erase that logic (and have that Einstein fella shot), it doesnt conform with the majority view in UCC. Its must be wrong. Dammit it must be! UCC FORUM IN IGNORING LOGIC SHOCKER!!!

And as regards specific services being free ... meh, I get the impression that any explanation on my view of things will be thrown down by the UCC regulars (IN LATE NIGHT SHOCKER!!!!!!)


It seems there were at least 2 of those UCC majority opinion dissenters here, goddamit these rational logicians may end up owning the place. Cancel the Computers, Physics and Maths departments immediately. Cant have rational discussion take over, HELL NO! Better to fill our posts with asterisks and crap irrelevant analogy's and false pretenses of understanding. Bah and to hell with understanding!


UCC majority dissenter in frustrated with UCC conservatism SHOCKER!

EDIT: Given the way in which people here have immediately jumped on anyone who displays an opinion divergent to that of most, I feel that any further partaking of me in this thread will result in some kind of personal abuse either way (as it did on the other thread in which I displayed divergent opinion), and for that reason I wont post here again. Next time be more reasonable (including omission of foul language) and I will debate all day

Not sure if you're going for humour or just trying to look clever here, either way you failed miserably...

PeakOutput

Eliot Rosewater wrote: »

The SU allows clubs to promote. Promotions in form of cheap shots. Shots generally to get drunk. SU in promoting drunkenness SHOCKER!

samf wrote: »

You may or may not know that UCC has an alcohol policy which is enforced, and disallows any mention of alcohol in any form on campus. You may notice flyers for gorbys given out on campus have no mention of drink prices, no posters for any SU event, club or society night have no mention of alcohol or even pictures of drink because its simply not allowed.

which one of you is telling the truth?

Max001

As others have said here, as adults we each have freedom to choose how to live our lives, within the boundaries of the law. Though we can also break laws and face the consequences. I for one, count myself lucky to have been born in a western democracy where I have the freedom to choose as well as the means to act on most choices.
Consistent research has shown that health education and peer pressure are the most successful means of effecting a decrease in student problem drinking. Research has also shown that student drinking has not increased significantly in the last thirty odd years. (Can't recall the exact studies, but a search of e-journals will list examples.)
I think part of the undergrad experience is learning to balance individual freedoms with individual responsibilities, with the first responsibility being to & for oneself. Some learn this early, some learn this late and some learn this not at all. My point being; we're all individuals and there's no one right way for us all.
Personally I'd advocate more innovative health education around campus, so that at the very least we're all making informed choices, when making our lifestyle choices.
My own philosophy: try everything at least once and moderation in all things ......... except for Catherine Jenkins......I could never have enough of her

deisedude

Eliot Rosewater wrote: »

EDIT: Given the way in which people here have immediately jumped on anyone who displays an opinion divergent to that of most, I feel that any further partaking of me in this thread will result in some kind of personal abuse either way (as it did on the other thread in which I displayed divergent opinion), and for that reason I wont post here again. Next time be more reasonable (including omission of foul language) and I will debate all day

Nobody has a problem with you having a different viewpoint on the issue, the point of internet forums is to debate on stuff! I do however have a gripe with you backing up your point with half baked "facts" and mistruths and then complaining when people have the audacity to point out the flaws in your argument. If you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen.

PhatPiggins

johnny-fatality wrote: »

my bad, i got lazy and just quoted you!

Lazy student, half reading a post then talking with authority on the subject!! Surely not.

Sam what do you think when you read the following:

Gorbys. Foam Party. Ladies Free B4 Midnight. Freshers Fest. Corks best Club. College Parties lots of DEALS, FREEBIES. Gorbys,Gorbys,Gorbys.

It doesn't matter a jot if they dont mention booze its implied on every scrap of advertising they have. Taking money from them to fund social services is akin to taking money from Phillip Morris to fund cancer research.

How much more of this : Its in our culture, everyone else is doing it, sure we cant change a thing ,we're students there are no rules, b*llSh*t are we going to put up.

Of course everyone has freedom of choice but the promotion of monday-friday drinking and the complete lack of an appreciation of the consequences is only feulling the problem.

Eliot Rosewater

deisedude wrote: »

Nobody has a problem with you having a different viewpoint on the issue, the point of internet forums is to debate on stuff!

Apparently not. I have contributed here (UCC forum) twice, first time to argue that printing fees were justified and the second time to say that the SU promoted drinking (albeit in an indirect manner). Both times I was 'jumped' on by posters who clearly sought to discredit me rather than my argument. This is clearly because my opinions are different to those of the vast majority of students and the culture in this forum appears to be to attack any such opinions. I was personally abused on the other thread:

thebigcheese22 wrote:

Personally I think someone like you calling my arguments silly are a big win for myself...
your general demeanor would suggest an immature First Year

On this thread an aggressive post that didnt really argue anything but just seemed to be a method by which the poster could flex his borderline abuse was thanked by no less than five people:

thebigcheese22 wrote:

Do you know how idiotic that is?!...
Courageous my ass...
You're wrong.

Hardly eloquent. Yet seemingly this is the kind of post 5 people think to be worthy of a thanks. That is why I think minority-opinion bashing is a culture here. I think its a terrible attitude for anyone to have.


BACK ON TOPIC, I would like to apologize to you desisedude because clearly I didnt make my point well enough and I will now try and do so, especially as you seem to be willing to actually engage in productive discussion (which I appreciate).

Basically, what PhatPiggins said. When promoting class partys and SU parties, cheap drink (especially of the concentrated kind) seems to be the center piece. I have received a few emails about parties in the Bailey and nearly all of them have mentioned jelly shots. This, in my opinion, is promoting drunkenness because shots are primarily used as a vehicle to get drunk. This promotes a certain culture.

Now Im very liberal and I believe people should be allowed get as wasted as they want. Freedom to be yourself, etc. However theres a difference between being passive and indirectly/directly promoting something. And by accepting money of off Gorbys etal, the SU Events wing becomes effectively a promotion for getting drunk. What do you think? I realize youve never been promoted but from my own anecdotal evidence it appears everything eventually boils down to "cheap shots."

Bodhidharma

Its unfair to suggest that the SU encourage people to drink. We do however live in a society that does encourage people to drink. Blaming the SU is wrong, it is a societal issue and UCC, like all other universities, is representative of that.

On the other hand, could they (and the clubs and socs (CowPunchers i'm looking at you)) do more to push a sober message? Yes, I believe they could.

samf

Eliot Rosewater wrote: »

I have received a few emails about parties in the Bailey and nearly all of them have mentioned jelly shots. This, in my opinion, is promoting drunkenness because shots are primarily used as a vehicle to get drunk.

This is the second time you've made a false statement (last one being that Gorbys are on campus mentioning cheap shots). I can guarantee you that the SU never sent an email out to all students mentioning "jelly shots in the Bailey", perhaps your class rep did, but in that case it is them who are breaking the alcohol policy and them who are promoting alcohol. The Bailey has a team of students who hand out flyers promoting the place. Where do they stand? Outside the college gates. You seem to be clutching at straws here as you cannot come up with a solid example of the SU mentioning or promoting alcohol.

And PhatPiggins, if you see Gorbys. Foam Party. Ladies Free B4 Midnight. Freshers Fest. Corks best Club. College Parties lots of DEALS, FREEBIES. Gorbys,Gorbys,Gorbys. and think "I have to go to gorbys tonight and get drunk" then im sorry for you, most students have managed learn self control and have learnt that they dont have to do what a flyer says unless they want to (and for the record im pretty sure they never mentioned DEALS on their flyers as even that goes against the alcohol policy). The fact of the matter is that the majority of students go clubbing at least once a week, and we think its better they go to a club where they contribute to student services than another club where all the money goes straight into the owners pocket.

Phatpiggins wrote:

How much more of this : Its in our culture, everyone else is doing it, sure we cant change a thing ,we're students there are no rules, b*llSh*t are we going to put up.

So you're saying its not our culture at all, and in fact its the gorbys flyers in college that are causing such the binge drinking problem? If you're so keen on fixing the problem what measures do you think should be taken that arent currently being taken in UCC? Would you like the SU to close the bars on campus and lobby the clubs in town to close so people instead drink at home where theres no supervision whatsoever?

Actually if you look around the universities in Ireland UCC has one of the strictest alcohol policies, for example take a look at an all student email sent out in UCD recently which caused a stir... http://www.meas.ie/page.php?intPageID=598 - now if we did THAT i could see legitimate complaints!

Byron85

samf wrote: »

Actually if you look around the universities in Ireland UCC has one of the strictest alcohol policies, for example take a look at an all student email sent out in UCD recently which caused a stir... http://www.meas.ie/page.php?intPageID=598 - now if we did THAT i could see legitimate complaints!

Care to explain then why free alcohol was handed out in Boole 1 last night at the comedy gig?

Eliot Rosewater

samf wrote: »

This is the second time you've made a false statement

Your attacking me on the basis of semantics really. Class reps constantly mention free alcohol/alcoholic discounts for their class parties. The societies also do this a lot. Are you saying this doesnt happen? Its far too prevalent a thing to not see. And what you are doing is passing the buck "ah sure they shouldn't be doing this." The Student Union has a handle on these kind of goings on. You know that, and I know that, so stop passing the buck.

As I said, the SU's involvement is indirect. They are clearly in a position, as the biggest student body on campus, to tackle the college culture. Instead their tactic appears to be to blame it on other people either below (the class reps) or above (sure tis a societal problem, not ours). Your showing an immense lack of leadership as the person who has de facto biggest say on this issue in a 17,000 student university.

EDIT: Also, how do you account for the fact that mystery tour tickets often include a free shot? Is this for tasting purposes? Or - and I presume this is more what you think - that its not really any of your business and its the societies fault and that your hands are thoroughly clean.

PhatPiggins

So you're saying its not our culture at all, and in fact its the gorbys flyers in college that are causing such the binge drinking problem? If you're so keen on fixing the problem what measures do you think should be taken that arent currently being taken in UCC? Would you like the SU to close the bars on campus and lobby the clubs in town to close so people instead drink at home where theres no supervision whatsoever?

Actually if you look around the universities in Ireland UCC has one of the strictest alcohol policies, for example take a look at an all student email sent out in UCD recently which caused a stir... http://www.meas.ie/page.php?intPageID=598 - now if we did THAT i could see legitimate complaints!

Is this honestly your answer? Are you simply going to argue that everyones doing it and look UCD are worse, so that makes it ok.

Your arguement that Gorbys pay you so thats better then nothing has me head in hands.

Are you planning a future in Fianna Fail because they seem to be full of like minded people.

captainspeckle

Eliot Rosewater wrote: »

Now Im very liberal

your posts dont really seem to suggest that.

to be honest, i think you need to go have some fun.
and no, this is not s personal attack, merely a suggestion.
was that eloquent and condescending enough? Because i feel that is the tome you seem to be using in all of your posts.

PhatPiggins

mahamageehad wrote: »

Nobody is forcing anyone to go out!! Some people get enjoyment by having a beer with the game, some like to go to the cinema with friends, some like to play sports...and some like to get drunk and dance every once in a while! Thats called choice, and unless Ireland became communist over the weekend, it's your own free choice what to do with your time.

If you're so much of a sheep that you go drinking because "the student union indirectly told me to" you have no place in college. I think it's very unfair to base your personal vendetta against drinking against the UCC SU. Do you have so little of a social life that without alcohol related events you have nothing else to do but to come on boards and bit*h about alcohol related events??

I think maybe come back when you grow up a little.

What about the people who choose not to drink but rather to concentrate on their studies yet still have to suffer because of the tools who act without consequence.

Not a single night passes when I'm studying in the late room in the library without a group of spastics banging on the windows or mooning. I have to get up at seven thirty to put out our bin on college road because if you put it out the night before it'll get kicked over. I've had my car egged and crap thrown at our house.

Where's my choice that you say we're all entitled to?

samf

T.W.H Byron wrote: »

Care to explain then why free alcohol was handed out in Boole 1 last night at the comedy gig?

Sure, well I wasnt there, but as far as I know its organised by the Comedy Society, not the students union, and, as long as alcohol wasnt used as an inscentive for people to attend, then they are fully entitled to give out free drink under 3.5.3 of the UCC alchol policty:

a) Maximum 3 free drinks per person for any on campus function

are permitted.

Eliot Rosewater wrote:

Your attacking me on the basis of semantics really. Class reps constantly mention free alcohol/alcoholic discounts for their class parties. The societies also do this a lot. Are you saying this doesnt happen? Its far too prevalent a thing to not see. And what you are doing is passing the buck "ah sure they shouldn't be doing this." The Student Union has a handle on these kind of goings on. You know that, and I know that, so stop passing the buck.

As I said, the SU's involvement is indirect. They are clearly in a position, as the biggest student body on campus, to tackle the college culture. Instead their tactic appears to be to blame it on other people either below (the class reps) or above (sure tis a societal problem, not ours). Your showing an immense lack of leadership as the person who has de facto biggest say on this issue in a 17,000 student university.

EDIT: Also, how do you account for the fact that mystery tour tickets often include a free shot? Is this for tasting purposes? Or - and I presume this is more what you think - that its not really any of your business and its the societies fault and that your hands are thoroughly clean.

Im not attacking you, if anything its the opposite. Thanks for saying that I have the biggest say in this issue and am therefore a leader of 17000 students, but you couldnt be further from the truth, im not the SU president and I have no say over big decisions. Im not passing the buck, but how can we be responsible at the end of the day for every class rep email sent out, every flyer on campus, every class anouncement made? We're only human and I have a full time college course. I can only say there's an alcohol policy in place, any violations may be reported and will be dealt with. Can I ask you did you report any of these emails? As for societies, ever heard of the societies guild? Theyre in charge of societies, we are not, thats not passing the buck, its just a fact.

And Phatpiggins as I say my answer is that we have a strict policy in place, we have a far stricter alcohol policy than almost any other university in Ireland, and while your solution is to place blame to the SU on the boards, I go out and try to organise an alcohol alternative program of events to try and actually stop the problem. Which of us do you think will achieve more to stop the problem? If you actually want to be construcive then quit blaming and offer constructive suggestions.

EDIT: And to answer Eliot Rosewater's mystery tour question, UCC Students Union has not organised any mystery tours this year, if it was a society then as I say this is permitted under the alcohol policy 3.5.3 again "Maximum 2 free drinks per person for any off campus event by a recognised student activity" so while i dont condone this they're perfectly in their rights to do it, as long as it wasnt mentioned as an inscentive to attend, and once again Societies are ruled by the Societies guild, not the students union, so once again surprise surprise its a false example.

samf

PhatPiggins wrote: »

What about the people who choose not to drink but rather to concentrate on their studies yet still have to suffer because of the tools who act without consequence.

Not a single night passes when I'm studying in the late room in the library without a group of spastics banging on the windows or mooning. I have to get up at seven thirty to put out our bin on college road because if you put it out the night before it'll get kicked over. I've had my car egged and crap thrown at our house.

Where's my choice that you say we're all entitled to?

Well if you think that not giving out gorbys flyers on campus is gonna change that one?

KnifeWRENCH

Ok, there's been a lot of nasty/borderline abusive comments on this thread. I don't want to have to lock this thread so please discuss this maturely and debate without resorting to personal abuse.

To throw my 2 cents in, I don't think the SU promote unresponsible drinking at all. I'm not a huge fan of the whole drinking culture but it's an endemic part of college culture and Irish society in general. If you don't like going out and getting ****faced, don't. No-one's forcing you.

PhatPiggins

Sorry where did I blame the SU?

I'll give you your dues at least you come on here and fight your ground and I applaud your efforts for drink free entertainment. You might ask Rebecca to join the debate as its surely an area that concerns her.

I think there needs to be focus on the effects that binge drinking has on others, what do we need to happen before people take notice. Arrests? Another death?Some lunatic in the clockl tower with a sniper rifle? Consequences people, consequences.

I'm probably just venting a bit because I have to put up with crap I dont cause/take part in .

PhatPiggins

samf wrote: »

Well if you think that not giving out gorbys flyers on campus is gonna change that one bit then you're very naive.

I'm going to be the bigger man here(apologies if you're a woman)

samf

PhatPiggins wrote: »

Sorry where did I blame the SU?

I'll give you your dues at least you come on here and fight your ground and I applaud your efforts for drink free entertainment. You might ask Rebecca to join the debate as its surely an area that concerns her.

I think there needs to be focus on the effects that binge drinking has on others, what do we need to happen before people take notice. Arrests? Another death?Some lunatic in the clockl tower with a sniper rifle? Consequences people, consequences.

I'm probably just venting a bit because I have to put up with crap I dont cause/take part in .

Ok well apologies if you werent blaming the SU, though you did say mention the gorbys flyering being part of the problem. I fully admit this is a problem but its one we're aware of and are trying to do our best to counter, through meeting the university (currently making the alcohol policy more strict in fact), and setting up alcohol altenative events. Rebecca im sure would love to join this debate but the poor girl is up to her eyes at the moment running Finance month but she is also conscious of the problem and will be holding an alcohol awareness campaign soon as I already mentioned.

And yes its true you shouldnt have to put up with people knocking your bins and banging on the library window (actually this was mentioned at a recent SU meeting and we willl be taking action to stop drunk people from the old bar doing this) and getting sick on your front door, but this seriously is a huge social problem and its about changing peoples attitude, and thats something we're trying to achieve. As I said any sugegstions would be great but at the moment please appreciate we're doing the best we can.

Nifdy

Drink plays a massive part in Irish culture. There's no escaping it, especially in colleges & universities. Cats are out to make money, they don't give a funk about people going missing from dirnking too many cheap vodka shots. This lifestyle may appeal to alot of younger, more immature students, if you're not into it yourself my adive to you is find somewhere sociable to drink & don't let this stuff bother you because nothing is going to change.

PhatPiggins

samf wrote: »

Ok well apologies if you werent blaming the SU, though you did say mention the gorbys flyering being part of the problem. I fully admit this is a problem but its one we're aware of and are trying to do our best to counter, through meeting the university (currently making the alcohol policy more strict in fact), and setting up alcohol altenative events. Rebecca im sure would love to join this debate but the poor girl is up to her eyes at the moment running Finance month but she is also conscious of the problem and will be holding an alcohol awareness campaign soon as I already mentioned.

And yes its true you shouldnt have to put up with people knocking your bins and banging on the library window (actually this was mentioned at a recent SU meeting and we willl be taking action to stop drunk people from the old bar doing this) and getting sick on your front door, but this seriously is a huge social problem and its about changing peoples attitude, and thats something we're trying to achieve. As I said any sugegstions would be great but at the moment please appreciate we're doing the best we can.

Could I suggest that you contact UCC security to see if they'd consider having someone outside the Old bar at closing directing people off campus via the barrier gates on College road. That way they wont be able to cross campus and pass the library. Remove the possibilty of temptation and all that. If not maybe they could just have someone walking around the Boole entrance at closing time?

Its the flashing that bugs me more then the banging. Though we did have two girls flashing after a trad concert last year

deisedude

Eliot Rosewater wrote: »

BACK ON TOPIC, I would like to apologize to you desisedude because clearly I didnt make my point well enough and I will now try and do so, especially as you seem to be willing to actually engage in productive discussion (which I appreciate).

Basically, what PhatPiggins said. When promoting class partys and SU parties, cheap drink (especially of the concentrated kind) seems to be the center piece. I have received a few emails about parties in the Bailey and nearly all of them have mentioned jelly shots. This, in my opinion, is promoting drunkenness because shots are primarily used as a vehicle to get drunk. This promotes a certain culture.

Now Im very liberal and I believe people should be allowed get as wasted as they want. Freedom to be yourself, etc. However theres a difference between being passive and indirectly/directly promoting something. And by accepting money of off Gorbys etal, the SU Events wing becomes effectively a promotion for getting drunk. What do you think? I realize youve never been promoted but from my own anecdotal evidence it appears everything eventually boils down to "cheap shots."

No apology necessary. I would like to make clear the distinction between events a class rep organises and an event the SU organises. The SU isnt responsible for babysitting over what a class rep organises. If you are uncomfortable with what the emails say then maybe you should talk to the class rep about it, after all the point of their job is to liase with the students about their concerns.

To answer your question, Samf has said there is no mention of alcohol on the flyers (I'll take his word for it because i just chuck them in the nearest bin!). You can go to Gorbys and drink minerals or even tapwater for the night if you so wish. The SU is perfectly entitled to take Gorbys money once they ensure Gorbys advertise responsibly which they do.

Hypothetically speaking if the SU received money from a fast food outlet like McDonalds and all the flyers handed out in college made no reference to cheap greasy food would the SU then be castigated for promoting an unhealthy lifestyle? Personally i don't think such a scenario would be seen to be as big an issue.

thebigcheese22

Eliot Rosewater wrote: »

Apparently not. I have contributed here (UCC forum) twice, first time to argue that printing fees were justified[/QUOTE]

No you didn't. I agree that printing fees are justified. You just disagreed with the method I proposed, which is obviously easier for students - basically, the semantics. Also you believed that the cutbacks aren't affecting students but they obviously are.

On this thread an aggressive post that didnt really argue anything but just seemed to be a method by which the poster could flex his borderline abuse was thanked by no less than five people:

Hardly eloquent. Yet seemingly this is the kind of post 5 people think to be worthy of a thanks. That is why I think minority-opinion bashing is a culture here. I think its a terrible attitude for anyone to have.

Wow taking quotes out of context, well done! If you read the whole post you will see what arguments I was making. Quoting selective bits doesn't do anyone any favours (especially yourself)

BACK ON TOPIC,

Good stuff!!!

Charlie 22

Nova_era wrote: »

The chaplaincy is one of, if not the only, group who don't feel the need to cap off every meeting with a round of jagermeisters.

I think this statement is the root of the op's objections fine if you feel that the student population is out of control with drinking etc. BUT please do not feel you have to change the world or force your beliefs on others.

You might like a bible in one hand and a sword in the other approach but I'd prefer a pint in both hands if I'm not doing harm to anyone else where is the problem? By the way not all of the student population drinks themselves silly i have a few drinks, i go out, i have fun without falling all over the place or starting fights. Tarring everyone with the same brush is not a sound basis for an argument so please don't judge so fast

liberal

Nova_era wrote: »

This is something which has annoyed me since, quite literally, day one of college.

On our first induction day, we were informed about some stupid protest march, which we were ensured would culminate in a "piss-up anyway!".

The UCC Students Union may as well be major shareholders in Gorbys nightclub, and the Bailey etc, as they direct students to spend their Monday evenings/grants/mommy + daddy money in these places. Gorbys, and on their behalf many societies/clubs promote €2 shots of vodka. Since when do people sit down and sip a shot of vodka? They don't. The key emphasis here is to get as drunk as possible.

I'm not in UCC to drink. I'm bloody there to get an education. Yeah sure, social life is an important part of University life, but surely promoting various "nights out" a week is going against the grain of University life? Aren't students meant to be broke? Shouldn't the SU actually for once give some thought to the students who actually are struggling their way through college, and can't afford to spend money getting drunk and going to fast food outlets on random weeknights?

The fact that now a student has actually gone missing has woken me up to post this thread; I'm ****ing sick of this emphasis on drinking which seems to plague my university. I'm surprised that such a tragedy has taken so long to occur, as with the amount of people who fall out of Gorbys and other nightclubs each night drunk, encouraged by college life, we're lucky it's not a regular occurance.

Is anyone else irked by the emphasis placed on drinking in UCC? Is UCC really that dull, that getting drunk needs to be given such precidence?

I'm in the process of drafting an official complaint to the NUI, as this idiocy, predominantly fostered by our respective student unions, is bringing down our universities.

I strongly agree with you, I helped with the DJ society last year when we tried to organise a Thursday night in a different club (not gorbys) the SU made it very hard for us, we promoted music not drinking and the venue was not selling cheap vodka

Im in 4th year now, in 1-3rd year I drank like a fish, did poorly in exams/practicals, scraped by in everything, now this year im not drinking much and im kicking ass at college

It's not just the Universities though, the Vintners Federation are a bad bunch and are very influencial in the Dáil, sure it was them that got the offies closed at 10! Bar owners are intrinsically greedy people it's in there nature, it's feast for famine, when there feasting they take customers for all they can get

For more information on the Vinters Association do some research and see if your local TD's family own a pub

blow69

You may or may not know that UCC has an alcohol policy which is enforced, and disallows any mention of alcohol in any form on campus.

Really? So what would happen if students were "caught" talking about where they were last night and how much they had to drink.

You may notice flyers for gorbys given out on campus have no mention of drink prices, no posters for any SU event, club or society night have no mention of alcohol or even pictures of drink because its simply not allowed.

So the people handing out the flyers saying "2Euro vodkas in Gorbys tonight lads" is allowed? And so what if the prices aren't on the flyers. People aren't stupid. It's well known how cheap it is.


I'd like to state that I do enjoy going out. Thoroughly. I really love going out with a group of friends having a good few drinks(sometimes a lot:D) and having a great time. I just don't get some people's mentality when they think it's great to go out and get absolutely ****faced and cause trouble and carnage. Btw this part has nothing to do with the college. I was just referring to the part about the Irish culture thing.

And I don't think the SU's union is at fault at all. It's the whole college in general e.g the free alcohol at certain events.

Also whenever a class party is organised, where do they go? Drinking. Now I know this is what the majority of people want to do, but could they not go bowling or something 1 out every 4 times. Or what about paintballing during the day. A lot of fun to be had there.

And I really hope that missing student is found. I don't know if alcohol is a factor but it's tragic if it is and it unfortunately will not change people's perspective about sensible alcohol consumption. And didn't another person drown trying to junp on to some lifeboat in the river after a night out a couple of months back.

brazilicious

(with respect to the OP and all in agreement with them as i do see your point.)

fair enough its a big part of the culture here,

but,

nobody is putting pressure on us to drink.

nobody is holding us down pouring wally's hut down our necks.

the SU arent knocking on our doors with bottles of tesco's finest or working dog.

the university isnt offering an ultimatum - "get pissed or get out...."!

if you want to, do, if you don't, don't.

don't accept the fliars, you're only wasting paper anyway by doing this.

maybe instead of complaining about it here one could address a class rep and say " hey, maybe we could go paintballing/ice-skating/knitting/whatever or something"

just a thought....:cool:

samf

Really? So what would happen if students were "caught" talking about where they were last night and how much they had to drink.

Well clearly people are allowed to talk about alcohol if they want, im just saying that you're not allowed to promote an event through alcohol as an inscentive, apologies if that wasnt clear.

And yes I agree class parties shouldnt be so alcohol focused, when I addressed the class reps on day one i gave them a list of pub alternatives and im constantly giving them information on paintballing, go karting and other venues that can make some fun days out.

PhatPiggins

samf wrote: »

Well clearly people are allowed to talk about alcohol if they want, im just saying that you're not allowed to promote an event through alcohol as an inscentive, apologies if that wasnt clear.

And yes I agree class parties shouldnt be so alcohol focused, when I addressed the class reps on day one i gave them a list of pub alternatives and im constantly giving them information on paintballing, go karting and other venues that can make some fun days out.

How about we paint ball the feckers who bang on the Quad room windows.

I really have had enough of them.

samf

In relation to that the SU president has written to the head of security in UCC to organise measures to stop that (whether its barriers in front of the windows or a security guard on partol) so I'll let you know when I hear an update.