Dark side of the Marathon

tunguska

misty floyd wrote: »

Rather talk about the use of Gels?

You probably watch movies these days whilst running on a threadmill? Savage training, fair play.

I think the gel thing could turn out to be my Saipan.............

I see Lynrd skynrd are playing the o2. Kiss aswell. Two great gigs.

tunguska

Saturday 28th November:

Long run was planned for tomorrow(sunday)but the weather is so perfect that Im gonna do it this evening. Gonna shoot for 26.2 miles, @ 7mins/mile. Little nervous though, dont know why, have done this distance and more in training before the dublin marathon........gonna be cold and the ice bath after will ensure that its monday before im warm again.

village runner

will be interested to see how your speed works goes nxt week.
I really hope you stay injury free cos what will i have to read if you are injured.

tunguska

village runner wrote: »

will be interested to see how your speed works goes nxt week.
I really hope you stay injury free cos what will i have to read if you are injured.

Dont worry VR I wont get injured.......famous last words

aero2k

tunguska wrote: »

I think the gel thing could turn out to be my Saipan.............

At least the journey home isn't as far....do you have a dog to walk?

I see Lynrd skynrd are playing the o2. Kiss aswell. Two great gigs.

Great venue too.

Hope that 26.2 goes well, a bit foggy out there....

christeb

You are a mile-eating monster - fair dues

tunguska

Saturday 28th november:

24.11miles

average pace = 7.03mins/mile

Not the 26 I said I was gonna do but decent enough anyway. Was rightly F u c k e d after 24 and the miles were turning to crap so I said I'd leave it at that. Sure its the first 24miler since the marathon so maybe jumping from 22 - 26 was too much too soon. Anyway I'll go same again this week but this time I'll aim to do it a bit quicker. Stick at 24miles for this week and next then I'll jump to 26.........well thats the plan anyway but I'll probably go for the 26 this weekend anyway.
Great run though, perfect conditions. Nice and cold, no wind and some really cool fog. Knocked out 6:40s - 6:50s for 18 miles or so then I had some climbs to contend with so I slowed down a fair bit. But Overall fairly happy with it.
Check it out:

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/19857212

and heres the splits if anybody is interested:

http://connect.garmin.com/splits/19857212


Sunday 29th November:

10.5miles @7:20/mile

Felt ok after the long one on saturday although the 13hrs sleep I had after might have something to do with that.

Monday 30th November:

(1) 11.5 miles @ 7:10/mile (am)

Felt a bit heavy legged for this one, but ok none the less.

(2) 10.5 miles planned for this evening. Will crank up the pace to 6:50 after this mornings sluggish effort.

shels4ever

Just wondered do you have much of a difference in pace from your long runs to your faster runs?

Wilbury

This log is savage.... better than any book. Not only can you run but you have great taste in music too!!!

Krusty_Clown

Fair play to you Tunguska. Just played your long run on Garmin Connect. I couldn't face doing repeat loops like that. Would drive me mental! I always feel duty bound to find a 20 mile out and back loop, but would only do a small fraction of your running. I suppose you get immune to doing the same route again and again eventually?

tunguska

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

Fair play to you Tunguska. Just played your long run on Garmin Connect. I couldn't face doing repeat loops like that. Would drive me mental! I always feel duty bound to find a 20 mile out and back loop, but would only do a small fraction of your running. I suppose you get immune to doing the same route again and again eventually?

You do get immune to it, I dont even notice to be honest. I just focus on the mile Im doing at the time and try to run it in the time Ive alloted myself for each mile. Plus the good thing about doing a loop like that is I can hydrate easily. I bring a bottle of water with me, dump it someplace along the loop and pick it up anytime I need it.

TheRoadRunner

any races planned tunguska ?

tunguska

TheRoadRunner wrote: »

any races planned tunguska ?

Yeah here they are:

Donore Harriers 5k - Saturday 5th dec

BHAA 5k Marley park - Sunday 6th Dec

Aware 10k - Saturday 12th Dec

Athenry 10k - 26th dec

5k race in phoenix park - New years day(cant remember the name of that one)

Raheny shamrock 5 miler - Dont know the date

Paddys day 5k -

Great Ireland 10k - sometime in april

Rotterdamn marathon - April again

Wexford half marathon - I think its early may

Tri athy - June banker, either that or cork marathon)

Addidas race series after that will take me up to.......

Dublin marathon - October

ecoli

tunguska wrote: »

Yeah here they are:

Donore Harriers 5k - Saturday 5th dec

BHAA 5k Marley park - Sunday 6th Dec

Aware 10k - Saturday 12th Dec

Athenry 10k - 26th dec

5k race in phoenix park - New years day(cant remember the name of that one)

Raheny shamrock 5 miler - Dont know the date

Paddys day 5k -

Great Ireland 10k - sometime in april

Rotterdamn marathon - April again

Wexford half marathon - I think its early may

Tri athy - June banker, either that or cork marathon)

Addidas race series after that will take me up to.......

Dublin marathon - October

Are you sacrificing a LSR this weekend or are you doing it during the week?

TheRoadRunner

tunguska wrote: »

Yeah here they are:

Donore Harriers 5k - Saturday 5th dec

BHAA 5k Marley park - Sunday 6th Dec

Aware 10k - Saturday 12th Dec

Athenry 10k - 26th dec

5k race in phoenix park - New years day(cant remember the name of that one)

Raheny shamrock 5 miler - Dont know the date

Paddys day 5k -

Great Ireland 10k - sometime in april

Rotterdamn marathon - April again

Wexford half marathon - I think its early may

Tri athy - June banker, either that or cork marathon)

Addidas race series after that will take me up to.......

Dublin marathon - October

Cheers. Doing some of them myself as I have a marathon lined up in April also (fingers crossed, all hail the running gods). I've ran a minute slower than you for the marathon (assuming Dublin 09 is your pb) so will be interested to compare and contrast our race times as I won't be doing the same high intensity mileage you are planning on doing. See you on the start line

Peckham

Interesting that none of your races pre-Rotterdam are over 10k, is this intentional? Although, I suppose Rotterdam isn't your target.

village runner

Peckham wrote: »

Interesting that none of your races pre-Rotterdam are over 10k, is this intentional? Although, I suppose Rotterdam isn't your target.

What races are you doing in prep for london ??
Any half planned ?

tunguska

ecoli wrote: »

Are you sacrificing a LSR this weekend or are you doing it during the week?

No I'll do a 21 miler sunday evening, which will bring me up to 24 for the day. Did this after the rathfarnham 5k and it worked out well enough, Two birds with the one stone: speed session and a long run.

tunguska

Peckham wrote: »

Interesting that none of your races pre-Rotterdam are over 10k, is this intentional? Although, I suppose Rotterdam isn't your target.

I hadnt even noticed that to be honest. I'll see if theres a half marathon knocking about. Cheers

village runner

tunguska wrote: »

I hadnt even noticed that to be honest. I'll see if theres a half marathon knocking about. Cheers

Ballycotton three weeks before Rotterdam. Couldnt plan it better.

tunguska

village runner wrote: »

Ballycotton three weeks before Rotterdam. Couldnt plan it better.

Ballycotton it is.

village runner

tunguska wrote: »

Ballycotton it is.

Chance of that tshirt slipping away everytime i tell a better runner to do it.
Assuming you are a member of a club you have till Dec 15th but the sooner the better.
I would expect 56 min out of you if not 55.

ecoli

tunguska wrote: »

No I'll do a 21 miler sunday evening, which will bring me up to 24 for the day. Did this after the rathfarnham 5k and it worked out well enough, Two birds with the one stone: speed session and a long run.

I remember you saying that before i would just bhe worried two races in two days could be threading a fine line inviting injury but i suppose what doesnt kill you will make you stronger. Touch wood you can come through it okay best of luck i will be out on sat myself what kinda time you targeting?

Peckham

village runner wrote: »

Ballycotton three weeks before Rotterdam. Couldnt plan it better.

If you'd rather go the half marathon distance....

Larne half on March 20th (think this one comes recommended by Stupid Private)

or

Omagh half on March 27th

TheRoadRunner

Peckham wrote: »

If you'd rather go the half marathon distance....

Larne half on March 20th (think this one comes recommended by Stupid Private)

or

Omagh half on March 27th

Or you could do both

tunguska

village runner wrote: »

Chance of that tshirt slipping away everytime i tell a better runner to do it.
Assuming you are a member of a club you have till Dec 15th but the sooner the better.
I would expect 56 min out of you if not 55.

Yeah I heard about those T-shirts alright, great idea to give the first 100 finishers a special shirt. Defo be shooting for 55 though.
What about you VR?

tunguska

ecoli wrote: »

I remember you saying that before i would just bhe worried two races in two days could be threading a fine line inviting injury but i suppose what doesnt kill you will make you stronger. Touch wood you can come through it okay best of luck i will be out on sat myself what kinda time you targeting?

Actually I might have to skip sundays race, I'll know by friday if I can run it or not. But I'll definitely do saturdays one. The old speed is still not back up to pre-marathon standards so I'll have to be conservative in what I'll aim for. Using the race for speed work more than anything so I dunno about setting a PB. But having said that I'll definitely go sub 17, after that who knows.
What about you ecoli, I reckon with your speed you'll be aiming for sub 16?

ecoli

tunguska wrote: »

Actually I might have to skip sundays race, I'll know by friday if I can run it or not. But I'll definitely do saturdays one. The old speed is still not back up to pre-marathon standards so I'll have to be conservative in what I'll aim for. Using the race for speed work more than anything so I dunno about setting a PB. But having said that I'll definitely go sub 17, after that who knows.
What about you ecoli, I reckon with your speed you'll be aiming for sub 16?

still in heavy training so i dunno anything around 16.30 is and ill be pleased enough but with a heavy session tomorrow i dunno. will definitely be good for your speed alright

Slogger Jogger

Your training log is a great read. I hope the tough training and high mileage works out for you Tunguska. I'm applying some elements of your treadmill sessions now to my own (slower and less tough though :rolleyes:)

Ballycotton looks good. Speaking of special teeshirts, my special t for the year was one I got for completing the imra Irish championship series. Only 3 races need to be done out of 5. Worth looking at for next year, as you'd see from the Firenze marathon post the good that the hills has done the likes of Bazman.

tunguska

Log is a bit all over the gaff at the moment so I better do a little tidying up..........

Summary of training week (2)

Sunday 22nd November:

12.5 miles

Monday 23rd November:

(1) 10.5 miles (am)

(2) 5 miles (pm)

Tuesday 24th November:

Due to strikeage and the like I had to miss training that day(unfortunately I am a government employee). But like I said not too concerned as its early days and I'll just shift my day off from saturday to tuesday.

Wednesday 25th November:

(1) 6 miles (am) treadmill interval session

(2) 10.5miles @ 7 mins per mile (pm)

Thursday 26th November:

10 mile tempo run @ 6:10/mile

Friday 27th November:

10.5 miles easy (think it was 7:10/mile)

Saturday 28th November:

24.11 miles @7:00mins/mile

So I'll call that for the training week:

Total mileage: 90miles(approx)

Week 3

Sunday 29th November:

10.5 miles @7:20/mile

Monday 30th November:

(1) 11.5 miles@ 7:10/mile(am)

(2) was meant to do another session that evening but right knee was giving me trouble.........well more specifically, the right VMO was acting up. Gave it a miss and did trigger point therapy on VMO and was brand new pretty quickly.

Tuesday 1st December:

10.5miles @ 6:50/mile

Wednesday 2nd December:

(1) 10.5 miles (semi-tempo run)

- 5 miles @ 5:50
- 5.5 miles @6:45
Was gonna do 10 miles @ 5:50 - 6mins/mile but rembered that tomorrow is training with the club so that'll be brutal enough anyway, but also racing at the weekend.

(2) This evening will do a handy 5 miles.