Questions about the story *SPOLIERS*

Colham

At the end of the game is the American Russian war still going on? The last we see of it is the battle in the white house. maybe it will be concluded in MW3.

Also did anyone else think it was crazy that Russia would launch such a brutal invasion because they found an American body in the airport?

Penn

Colham wrote: »

At the end of the game is the American Russian war still going on? The last we see of it is the battle in the white house. maybe it will be concluded in MW3.

Also did anyone else think it was crazy that Russia would launch such a brutal invasion because they found an American body in the airport?

Yeah, the battle will keep going on. This story was definitely set up for a sequel. In the final minutes of the White House scene, the soldiers even talk about how they're going to go to Russia and basically do what they did to America.

And while the invasion started because of the airport, tensions were already close to breaking point. Remember, this game is set 5 years after the original. The bad guy from the first game became a martyr of sorts, and things have been brewing since then. The airport scene was just the last straw. Hundreds of Russians killed in a Russian airport as part of a terrorist attack. Thats why Makarov and the other terrorists don't speak Russian in that level. To blame it all on the Americans.

smooch71

Colham wrote: »

At the end of the game is the American Russian war still going on? The last we see of it is the battle in the white house. maybe it will be concluded in MW3.

Also did anyone else think it was crazy that Russia would launch such a brutal invasion because they found an American body in the airport?

I reckon so.

The end of the game leaves it wide open for a sequel with

Price and Soap on the run and the war still raging in America. No doubt an attack on Moscow will feature in MW3

The plotline of the game is terrible really and the

Russian invasion of the good old U S of A is just silly

It makes for some good action set pieces and gameplay though.

Colham

The Russian invasion reminded my of the opening of Red Alert 2, but god that scene where your in a bunker and no idea where and you go outside and see helicopters going past the Washington monument is epic!

krudler

The plot is nonsense alright but its entertaining nonsense, if the first was a Tom Clancy movie then this is Michael Bay through and through, the Washington levels are pretty epic alright, much prefer the 141 levels though, Soap is awesome

Noxin

I enjoyed the twists in the plot alright but over all, for the price paid, that was way too short a game. Very annoying in that sense.

Anyway, yes.. war is still raging and it will continue to MW3 where you invade Russia. God knows when that will be though.

smooch71

Noxin wrote: »

I enjoyed the twists in the plot alright but over all, for the price paid, that was way too short a game. Very annoying in that sense.

Anyway, yes.. war is still raging and it will continue to MW3 where you invade Russia. God knows when that will be though.

2 years probably

After Treyarch release the next Call Of Duty where you play an SS officer and get to kill jews in a concentration camp.

Penn

krudler wrote: »

The plot is nonsense alright but its entertaining nonsense, if the first was a Tom Clancy movie then this is Michael Bay through and through, the Washington levels are pretty epic alright, much prefer the 141 levels though, Soap is awesome

Same with the first game. It just feels like the SAS/141 levels are the story, while the american side of it is just there for some set pieces and stuff. But I wouldn't have it any other way. Soap, Price... brilliant characters. Hard to believe Soap went from being the player character and is now a total badass. Him tackling the guy through the window in the Brazil level was brilliant

TiGeR KiNgS

I was loosley following the story when shepard turned bad, why did he kill his own team?

Kinetic^

krudler wrote: »

The plot is nonsense alright but its entertaining nonsense, if the first was a Tom Clancy movie then this is Michael Bay through and through, the Washington levels are pretty epic alright, much prefer the 141 levels though, Soap is awesome

Funny you should mention TC, I felt this one had GRAW written all over it.

krudler

paddyirishman85 wrote: »

Same with the first game. It just feels like the SAS/141 levels are the story, while the american side of it is just there for some set pieces and stuff. But I wouldn't have it any other way. Soap, Price... brilliant characters. Hard to believe Soap went from being the player character and is now a total badass. Him tackling the guy through the window in the Brazil level was brilliant

I burst out laughing when instead of shooting the guard in the warehouse on the Cliffhanger level he just charged into him, buried him into a stack of lockers then flung him down and knifed him in the neck, great little character sequence:D

smooch71

TiGeR KiNgS wrote: »

I was loosley following the story when shepard turned bad, why did he kill his own team?

Good excuse as any for a twist I guess.

Penn

TiGeR KiNgS wrote: »

I was loosley following the story when shepard turned bad, why did he kill his own team?

He was the commander of the American soldiers from MW1 who died because of the nuke. He said he lost 30,000 soldiers that day, and it felt like nobody cared. He wanted to take control over the entire American Army. He conspired with Makarov to help set up the airport thing by sending a soldier undercover to be used as the scapecoat and start the war. Then, because of the Russian invasion, he gets control over Americas army and turns on Makarov. Presumably, he killed Roach and Ghost because he wanted to be the hero, or American soldiers be the heroes, rather than 2 British soldiers.

Setting up the ambushes for Roach/Ghost and Price/Soap were because they were getting too close to the truth

blahblah06

can someone spoiler the ending o the story i found it a bit strange the way it ended. the game says 50% complete but dont know were else i can go credits came up and all.

Penn

Well, the 50% might include the SpecOps mission. Plus the enemy intelligence laptops

blahblah06

well no the spec ops has its own percentage by the looks of it. I didnt beat it in vet but maybe thats it ?

Penn

blahblah06 wrote: »

well no the spec ops has its own percentage by the looks of it. I didnt beat it in vet but maybe thats it ?

Good point. Yeah, thats probably it alright. Plus the enemy intelligence. Only real collectible thing in the game, so it probably counts for something

mle1324

Colham wrote: »

The Russian invasion reminded my of the opening of Red Alert 2, but god that scene where your in a bunker and no idea where and you go outside and see helicopters going past the Washington monument is epic!

Reminded me of Red Dawn in a way.:)

evanSpiddal

blahblah06 wrote: »

can someone spoiler the ending o the story i found it a bit strange the way it ended. the game says 50% complete but dont know were else i can go credits came up and all.

I'd say the percentage would go up if you complete the game on harder difficulties, although i'm not vouching for it.

I beat the game on regular and got 51% completion with i think 2 or 3 pieces of intel found, but also i'd say the Intel adds to the percentage.

What percentage do people who beat the game on Veteran have? anybody?

johnny_ultimate

I'm not insane enough to go for Veteran (hell, you're behind cover 75% of the time in Hardened), but had 78% completion on hardened, with around 10 of the intel items.

As for the plot, yeah it wasn't particularly sensible. There were plenty of good ideas, but it is far away from coherent. It makes some sort of sense when you think about it, but the twists etc... feel too sudden in the game itself.

BlitzKrieg

TiGeR KiNgS wrote: »

I was loosley following the story when shepard turned bad, why did he kill his own team?

my understanding and I have nothing to confirm this but I thought the whole thing was orchestrated by shephard.

Isnt that what he admitted to in the end? He said that 5 years ago his marines got dicked on by a nuke in cod4 and now 5 years later Russia has embraced the man who did this and america has become somewhat timid in comparison. But now after this war america is gonna going to be filled with volunteers as they set off to invade Russia (which will probably be the background theatre in MW3, like how iraq was in MW1 and washington in MW2.) While Soap and Price will try and catch Markorav and deal with shadow company on the fringes of the invasion.


Now No one else has said Shepard set the whole thing off, everyone says he did it because he wanted to be a hero (its even the wiki answer) but that doesnt sit with me. His speech at the end where he says tomorrow they will all be patriots indicates more towards that he wanted the war, also the intro hints at that aswell.

I was convinced that I had just missed some radio message in the chaos at Markorav's base saying the downloaded info said Shepard was involved somehow...that he tipped markorav off to the cia agent (who he put in there) in his team. Shepard has been at the head of every decision that led to the invasion in the game.


But thats how I saw it. And I could be completely wrong.

EDIT

I just blasted through the last 4 missions on easy to check the story and there seems to be a heavy emphasize that Shepard orchestrated the whole affair.

There's nowhere that it is specificly explained that shepard orchestrated the war., but alot of the dialogue seems to hint that, in the boneyard and afghan briefings, Price keeps going on about Shepard's *lie* that he will make the truth and in the estate mission shepard says *Just tying up loose ends* when he gets the drm.

Darksaga87

The story felt a bit rushed in my oppinion.

Colham

I found it hard to believe that Russia would suddenly and brutally invade the USA just by thinking an american was involved in the airport attack.

ShaneU

Colham wrote: »

I found it hard to believe that Russia would suddenly and brutally invade the USA just by thinking an american was involved in the airport attack.

Well America did it to Afghanistan.

Darksaga87

Yeah but in Afghanistan you cant really tell by looking at a town it just got shelled to bits!!

partyatmygaff

ShaneU wrote: »

Well America did it to Afghanistan.

Yeah but Afghanistan is not the same as Russia in terms of scale and history. Afghanistan is weak in a military sense compared to the USA, it has no global power, Russia and the USA however were involved in a 40 year long cold war where neither attacked the other over incidents which could of triggered a war so it seems odd that Russia would launch a brutal and full scale invasion of the USA over something like a massacre at an airport. Although that said the USA never did ever in its history invade russia directly or launch an attack on them and the USA has never been invaded in general.

I thought the story was excellent, A bit short yes but a huge improvement on COD 4. Each level had variety and some of the things like the snowmobile chase and the gulag invasion e.t.c were epic.
Huge amount of plot twists from the very beginning. The setting of the gameplay changes from desert to airport to snow to woodland nicely.

BlitzKrieg

ShaneU wrote: »

Well America did it to Afghanistan.

the difference is the world (wrongly?) gave america carte blanche to invade afghanistan. Consider the number of countries (including our own) that allowed the US toe leap frog across the world and sustain a long term campaign on the other side of the world.

What MW2 never answered was the position of the rest of the world on Russia's actions.

I mean the whole invasion idea falls apart when close allies of the US on all sides (Japan, South Korea in the east, Europe in the west.) Would have said something when they picked up planes flying towards america.

Unless they all sympathised with Russia on the same level as they did with the US and Afghanistan.

Thats where the flaw in the terrorism differs. If it was something more systematic and symbolic on a global scale (assassination, or symbolic bombing) then some form of sympathy might have formed.

In the same way an assassination started world war 1 and a symbolic bombing caused the US invasion of afghanistan.

Besides it would have been a much better mission if it had you bombing the Russian parliament or assassinating the president. At least gameplay wise it would be more dynamic and while still controversial it doesnt press the same automatic outrage buttons as gunning down civilians.

indough

yes you need to complete the game on veteran and collect all intel items to get a full 100% completion, its actually surprisingly easy to do compared to the first game

TelePaul

The plot was a mess really, seemed very tacked on to me. Killing off Roach seemed quite silly - Soap didn't have enough of an active role as a player character in MW2 to recoup the endearment players of COD 4 had for him as the protagonist, and making him a p.c in the last few missions was never going to change that.

I think the setting was completely implausible - COD 4's opening missions in the middle east were entirely credible, but now a Red Dawn rip-off and too many poorly-orchestrated plot twists mean you quickly lose interest in the overly-complex story. Disappointed, but hoping the MP and Co-op will make up for it.

Jim

Why did Price launch the nuke? He said he did it so he could end the war that day, how did it end the war or help at all? (perhaps killed the majority of the invading Russians?) And why was everyone in the team pretty ok with it afterward. Even Shepard didn't say anything about it after it happened.

indough

he set it off so that the emp would knock out electronics over the battlefield

Jim

indough wrote: »

he set it off so that the emp would knock out electronics over the battlefield

Ah, it was an EMP, of course. I thought it was a nuke detonated high in the atmosphere....which didn't really make sense heh.

But why did he set off the EMP? What difference did it make if it effected both sides? And when they went to the sub base to set it off noone knew that's what Price was going to do, they were all surprised. So what reason did he give them for going to the sub base?...

Was also annoyed you never found out why Price was in that prison. They could have tied in a thing where he goes after the guy who put in there, could have been a nice side story.

mle1324

Jim wrote: »

Ah, it was an EMP, of course. I thought it was a nuke detonated high in the atmosphere....which didn't really make sense heh.

But why did he set off the EMP? What difference did it make if it effected both sides? And when they went to the sub base to set it off noone knew that's what Price was going to do, they were all surprised. So what reason did he give them for going to the sub base?...

Was also annoyed you never found out why Price was in that prison. They could have tied in a thing where he goes after the guy who put in there, could have been a nice side story.

Suppose the Americans would of thought that they would have the upper hand fight a ground war with no choppers or planes involved.But this is only a game so...

TomCo

Jim wrote: »

Ah, it was an EMP, of course. I thought it was a nuke detonated high in the atmosphere....which didn't really make sense heh.

Thats exactly what happened, EMP caused by a nuke detonating high in the atmosphere.

TomCo

Jim wrote: »

Was also annoyed you never found out why Price was in that prison. They could have tied in a thing where he goes after the guy who put in there, could have been a nice side story.

At the end of COD4 I think he was taken off in a helicopter; presumably to a Russian military hospital. Assuming the regime change happened quickly following the events in the game it makes sense that he was "disappeared".

fergalr

Good game, really enjoyed the set pieces.

I didn't think the plot was quite as good as the last one though. It's pretty entertaining, but I'd have preferred if it was just slightly more plausible.

The execution of the game is amazing though, looks great, feels great to play; set pieces really work.

The russian invasion of the USA was pretty implausible. We are supposed to believe that because the russians captured the ACS, the USA couldn't see them coming - but that's very implausible, its a lot of Russian planes coming across the Atlantic for no one to notice; and that Washington DC and the entire East Coast of the USA would be taken without nuclear exchange is silly.

I also didn't fully understand Price's motivations in firing a nuke against Washington; even if he was using it as an EMP.
What was the point? If he was trying to drum up support for an American counter strike, wouldn't that make him not much better than Shepard - as that's essentially what Shepard was trying to do?
If his plan was to stop the Russian forces in USA by producing an EMP, then surely the existing American forces could have thought of that themselves.

Still, overall, really enjoyed it, some great sequences - very well put together game.
Wish it was longer though :-)

indough

well yeah it was a nuke, they give off a massive emp when they go off so exploding it where he did would take out electronics in the area, levelling the playing field somewhat whereas before that the russians had the upper hand

too bad for the astronauts though eh?

indough

fergalr wrote: »

Good game, really enjoyed the set pieces.

I didn't think the plot was quite as good as the last one though. It's pretty entertaining, but I'd have preferred if it was just slightly more plausible.

The execution of the game is amazing though, looks great, feels great to play; set pieces really work.

The russian invasion of the USA was pretty implausible. We are supposed to believe that because the russians captured the ACS, the USA couldn't see them coming - but that's very implausible, its a lot of Russian planes coming across the Atlantic for no one to notice; and that Washington DC and the entire East Coast of the USA would be taken without nuclear exchange is silly.

I also didn't fully understand Price's motivations in firing a nuke against Washington; even if he was using it as an EMP.
What was the point? If he was trying to drum up support for an American counter strike, wouldn't that make him not much better than Shepard - as that's essentially what Shepard was trying to do?
If his plan was to stop the Russian forces in USA by producing an EMP, then surely the existing American forces could have thought of that themselves.

Still, overall, really enjoyed it, some great sequences - very well put together game.
Wish it was longer though :-)

i thought in the cutscene they implied that there were reports coming in about it though, but they werent taken too seriously because they didnt show up on the system

BlitzKrieg

He explained the logic of the nuke as putting out a fire by making a bigger one. Setting of the nuke completely stalled the Russian invasion, yes it knocked out american vehicles too, but the americans had pretty much lost all of their vehicles by this point in the war anyway.

TheDoc

Where did Price launch that nuke at btw?

I missed that bit as I think I was in the toilet during cutscene lols

BlitzKrieg

the stratosphere over the eastern coast of the US

Rev. Kitchen

I enjoyed the story i know its far fetched but sometimes thats good fun too. I felt the game was a bit short as with COD4. It is pretty epic stuff but i always feel a bit short changed after playing them.