6th of november March (Union's ?)

soldering iron

What do you think of the idea of the March around the city this Friday, what is the real reason the Unions are TRYING to bring there member on to the streets of the Nation.
I believe that it will be another waste of time, and the money that the worker will not get by partaking in the event. We marched in the "80 for the P.A.Y.E. tax system to be made fairer, what did happen the Unions when into bed with the government and we (private sector) got just the scraps from the Table. The Waterford Crystal worker where the driving force behind these Marches and we all know that happened to them very Gallant and Brave Women& men. (Screwed)

If the government thinks the Public sector is paid too much, why did the same government allow the Benchmarking to go ahead. Who is responsible for the Benchmarking of the these jobs that showed that they were under paid, will that committee be held Responsible (NO)

Cabaal

Simple way of looking at things,

Think of the goverment as a company, now a company needs to be profitable and can't start loosing huge amounts of money and going into crazy debt.

During good times companys can make good and bad decisions, (lets be hoest the Gov did both)

Sadly the goverment currently has problems, while we could debate the reasons why its pointless now as it WILL NOT change the current situation which must be sorted.

So the gov like a company needs to restructure as you can't simply up the prices of your products to bring in the extra cash (keep upping tax's) there's only so much you can put things up by before the customer won't pay anymore.

Anyway as with any company, required cutbacks include paycuts and layoffs, now the public sector don't want this as they feel hard done by yet anyone in the private sector has already had this (everyone knows a load of people that have lost their jobs)

If the public sector ain't careful they'll have the IMF come in and they won't know what hit them if they do come in.

baronflyguy

Why dont they march on a sunday to make their point?
They will still get the news coverage, make their point they are unhappy and the majority of their union members wont loose out on a days pay. Win win around I would think. But that would be the sensible thing to do and unions are not sensible.

I'm all for benchmarking but it has to be a two way system whereby salaries need to decrease when compared with private sector where salaries have decreased..
Also salaries in public sector should be performance related. If someone is good they should be rewarded, if someone is crap they dont deserve more money.

Bringing it back to a waterford related topic, I think it would be bad for business if the city is disrupted on friday.

The taxi disruption was a disaster PR for them and only made people angry at the way they interrupted normal business. I have yet to meet anyone who supported the 'action' of the last taxi strike in the city.

baronflyguy

Cabaal wrote: »

If the public sector ain't careful they'll have the IMF come in and they won't know what it them if they do come in.

I dont think many people understand we are borrowing over 400 million a week to pay public sector services and jobs. The IMF will come in with an iron fist if they don't see that borrowing stopped soon.

I think the Unions should be trying to convince their members that change is needed to salaries.
Personally I think it should be a staggered salary cut. for example, someone in the public sector under say 25k shouldn't be affected.
RTE did something similar to this to their staff and i thought it was a good way of protecting staff on low wages.

If the Government hasn’t the capacity to do what’s needed, then others will come in, like the IMF, and overnight they will make decisions.

The IMF’s solutions would be much more severe: They will immediately start cutting expenditure by maybe 30% or 40% — that is a fact.

Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/irelands-choice-4bn-in-cuts-or-imf-103590.html

Cabaal

baronflyguy wrote: »

I dont think many people understand we are borrowing over 400 million a week to pay public sector services and jobs. The IMF will come in with an iron fist if they don't see that borrowing stopped soon.

I fully agree, people don't seem to see how insanely nuts it is to continue borrowing this amount of money on a weekly basis.

The gov can't continue to pay its wages its as simply as that, if the IMF come in job cuts will be first on the agenda.

Now the public sector will say they have it hard but I know enough people in the sector to know that there's people working in it that basically do notyhing each day but they can't be fired...thats insane!

If you worked in the any company and you pissed around and took two hour lunches and **** loads of sick days you'd be gotten rid of, the same should apply for the gov.

I think the Unions should be trying to convince their members that change is needed to salaries.
Personally I think it should be a staggered salary cut. for example, someone in the public sector under say 25k shouldn't be affected.
RTE did something similar to this to their staff and i thought it was a good way of protecting staff on low wages.

The sad thing is they won't even try this,
Instead they'll bitch and moan and when the IMF does come in they'll wish they just did what the gov is asking now.

We all know the situation is ****e we all know bad decisions were made but sadly all some people want to do is blame the gov....well lads look around its not like the world is in much better shape and the gov had nothing to do with other countrys.

People are extremely short sighted and just want to play the blame game, the don't seem to realise that this does not fix the current issues which must be fixed regardless of who's in power.

Cabaal

baronflyguy wrote: »

Bringing it back to a waterford related topic, I think it would be bad for business if the city is disrupted on friday.

The taxi disruption was a disaster PR for them and only made people angry at the way they interrupted normal business. I have yet to meet anyone who supported the 'action' of the last taxi strike in the city.

Agreed, taxi strike worked very badly for them.

If the public sector want to strike they will be hard pressed to get support....if they start affecting the normal joe's job/day off experience then they'll get even less.

People are finding things hard as they are now and don't want to be pissed off even more when they are just shopping in town trying to get through their daily lives.

googlefan

The primary teachers have also balloted their members I see. They could have easily made a demonstration any day last week which they had off.

baronflyguy

So who exactly is going on strike this friday?
What time is this march organised for?
If a public servant/civil servant or whatever, walks out do they get docked for full day or just the hour?

What services will not be functioning?
It is the least the unions could let the public know about.

All I can make of this strike on Friday is that people who are not part of this have to take time off work to mind their kids who should be in school.

It's kind of ironic really that the people who claim they cant take another pay cut have no problem balloting their union to organise a strike on a working day and not get paid for it.

I'd have more respect for the union march if it was held on a Sunday when minimal impact to others would be respected.


Does this strike mean that we have FREE parking in the city centre (not in the private car parks obviously) if the parking wardens are out on strike?

Mossy Monk

Does anyone know if public transport will be affected by this strike?

Mr Goon

Nobody is going on strike this friday to the best of my knowledge. It's a day of protest and the unions have asked those that can organise time off/have the day off to support it. Those that are in work will continue to work.

My understanding is that services will not be affected, certainly not in the area I am in anyway.

baronflyguy

Mr Goon wrote: »

Nobody is going on strike this friday to the best of my knowledge. It's a day of protest and the unions have asked those that can organise time off/have the day off to support it. Those that are in work will continue to work.

My understanding is that services will not be affected, certainly not in the area I am in anyway.

Mr Goon, thanks for clarifying. You are correct, according to news reports/articles this friday is not a strike just a march. Apologies for mentioning the word strike.

Do you know what time it is scheduled for and the route it will be taking?
I just don't want to be near the city centre and stuck in traffic.

Mr Goon

baronflyguy wrote: »

Do you know what time it is scheduled for and the route it will be taking?
I just don't want to be near the city centre and stuck in traffic.

I'm not sure of the details to be honest. all I can tell you is that workers on the Industrial Estate are meeting on Brownes Road at 1.30pm and the march starts from the Glen at 2.30pm. I have no other information I'm afraid.

soldering iron

I heard The SIPTU rep on the radio this Morning, it just confirms to me that unions want to Run the Country now.

If we as workers want to hurt this goverment then we ALL have to down tool and stay out untill a fairer systm is found.

Cabaal

soldering iron wrote: »

If we as workers want to hurt this goverment then we ALL have to down tool and stay out untill a fairer systm is found.

Yep, sure we all know fecking over the economy so much that the IMF will come in to save us is a fantastic idea :rolleyes:

Your comments make it sound like some sort of "revenge" striking which frankly is insane and foolish

baronflyguy

soldering iron wrote: »

If we as workers want to hurt this goverment then we ALL have to down tool and stay out untill a fairer systm is found.

How about voting at the ballot box?

soldering iron

baronflyguy wrote: »

How about voting at the ballot box?

When the Lisbon treaty was rejected in a matter of days the government of this country decided to rerun the election, in the mean time they have made a complete cock up of this country, but will the rerun the national election NO.
This government need to be brought down by the people for the people

Cabaal

soldering iron wrote: »

When the Lisbon treaty was rejected in a matter of days the government of this country decided to rerun the election, in the mean time they have made a complete cock up of this country, but will the rerun the national election NO.
This government need to be brought down by the people for the people

Thanks you've just confirmed that atleast your reasons for striking are purely revenge, nice!
:rolleyes:

As I've said before this of all the reasons in the world is the most foolish reason for wanting to do something like this.

soldering iron

Cabaal wrote: »

Thanks you've just confirmed that atleast your reasons for striking are purely revenge, nice!
:rolleyes:



As I've said before this of all the reasons in the world is the most foolish reason for wanting to do something like this.

This goverment need to be brought down if withdrawing our labour is what it take then so be it.

Living in a ivory tower can detatch you form real life, or maybe one of the bailout boys that took the profit and gave the loss to the IRISH taxpayer.

Psychedelic

Hang on a sec....this march on the 6th is about protesting against pay cuts to public sector workers, nothing to do with bringing down the Government.

soldering iron

Psychedelic wrote: »

Hang on a sec....this march on the 6th is about protesting against pay cuts to public sector workers, nothing to do with bringing down the Government.

Pig will fly (Swine flu)
and
A black man will be elected in the US.

Read between the lines, union want to run the country

marlin vs

Marching is for soldiers, it's a waste of time.

deise blue

Psychedelic wrote: »

Hang on a sec....this march on the 6th is about protesting against pay cuts to public sector workers, nothing to do with bringing down the Government.

This march is to protest about Government cutbacks generally including any cuts to social welfare such as dole payments and children's allowance.
It is not only about cuts to public sector pay.

thebiglad

deise blue wrote: »

This march is to protest about Government cutbacks generally including any cuts to social welfare such as dole payments and children's allowance.
It is not only about cuts to public sector pay.

Surely if salaries are reducing then it is right that dole etc also reduce - the gap between dole and salaries must be such that dole does not become an attractive option.

Before anyone starts, I was on dole this year for 6 months and have returned to employment earning 25% less for a very similar role - that is now the going rate when recruiting.

So long as prices drop (and yes I know most of us have a mortgage underpinning our monthly expenditure) then the impact should be offset.

Quite simply the country cannot carry on as it is.

Cabaal

deise blue wrote: »

This march is to protest about Government cutbacks generally including any cuts to social welfare such as dole payments and children's allowance.
It is not only about cuts to public sector pay.

Actually the march is the public sector protesting about job cuts and pay cuts that will affect them (remember we pay them), now the public sector is trying to swing it so the march is also about the private sector but in reality it is not.

Sadly the dole must be cut the same as the public sector pay bill must be cut, further to this jobs must go in the public sector.

We all know that very few people that are unemployed came from the public sector.

deise blue

Cabaal wrote: »

Actually the march is the public sector protesting about job cuts and pay cuts that will affect them (remember we pay them), now the public sector is trying to swing it so the march is also about the private sector but in reality it is not.

Sadly the dole must be cut the same as the public sector pay bill must be cut, further to this jobs must go in the public sector.

We all know that very few people that are unemployed came from the public sector.

You are wrong , the march is to give people from all sectors of society an opportunity to protest against the government's mooted cuts whether they be cuts to jobs , pay , welfare , children's allowance etc.
I'm in the private sector and will be meeting with other colleagues so that we can attend the march together

Cabaal

deise blue wrote: »

You are wrong , the march is to give people from all sectors of society an opportunity to protest against the government's mooted cuts whether they be cuts to jobs , pay , welfare , children's allowance etc.
I'm in the private sector and will be meeting with other colleagues so that we can attend the march together

I'm curious to what you think is a solution to cuts and the huge amount of money that the goverment is overspending each day,
- If the Gov ups taxes you'll march
- If the gov cuts payouts for stuff you'll march
- If the gov does job cuts you'll march

So what is the solution that you will accept?

The current situation can not continue for the long term and that should be obvious to anyone, sadly hard decisions have to be made and this isn't just the gov saying this this is the OECD and the EU.

If you don't want higher taxes, job cuts and benefit cuts then fine march away and strike all you want and we'll wait for the IMF and they'll we'll all suffer like nothing experienced before.

deise blue

Cabaal wrote: »

I'm curious to what you think is a solution to cuts and the huge amount of money that the goverment is overspending each day,
- If the Gov ups taxes you'll march
- If the gov cuts payouts for stuff you'll march
- If the gov does job cuts you'll march

So what is the solution that you will accept?

The current situation can not continue for the long term and that should be obvious to anyone, sadly hard decisions have to be made and this isn't just the gov saying this this is the OECD and the EU.

If you don't want higher taxes, job cuts and benefit cuts then fine march away and strike all you want and we'll wait for the IMF and they'll we'll all suffer like nothing experienced before.

You should never work on assumption !
I have absolutely no problem with higher taxes , property tax , wealth tax and an increase in capital gains tax to 40%, at least on that basis there would be an equitable solution to our problems , if the general presumption is that the public sector workers earn more then with an equitable tax system they will pay more.
Talking about the OECD report did you see where they said we have a smaller public service sector than moct of the EU15 countries ?
The OECD also recommend that the tax position needs to be reconfigured.
I for one have no problem in paying increased taxes until we get out of our difficulties.
Anyway must sign off now - off to the march !

baronflyguy

deise blue wrote: »

You should never work on assumption !
I have absolutely no problem with higher taxes , property tax , wealth tax and an increase in capital gains tax to 40%, ....

I dont mind a lot of things but if they introduce property tax we are stuck with it for life. Salaries can go up and down. Tax bands can go up and down. But introducing a brand new property tax is hard to swallow for me. Once this is implemented there is no going back even when the economy gets better. The idea my parents who have paid off their mortgage and retired would have to pay again for their property is just crazy.Dick Spring tried to introduce it back in the 90s and he lost his voters.

deise blue wrote: »

Talking about the OECD report did you see where they said we have a smaller public service sector than most of the EU15 countries ?
The OECD also recommend that the tax position needs to be reconfigured.
I for one have no problem in paying increased taxes until we get out of our difficulties.

Michael D Higgins was on Monchrieff yesterday and he basically was saying the OECD is a EU civil servant body, they feed off what Lenihan and his dept have told them. They are not really that independent because they are funded by the EU. Only 2 years ago the same think tank said Irishs banks are in a good state. They said that because the irish banks were covering up themselves and also the OECD was going on what the dept of financee in Ireland believed was the current status back then. We all know now the regulartor and the banks were covering up and putting a brave face on what was really happening.
What you heard yesterday is what Lenihan would really like to say but cant because he has to be diplomatic not to offend people, unions and voters etc. Hence why you saw Lenihan nodding at everything thing the OECD guy was saying. It was good for OECD to say it because I think some people needed an outside body to say the bloody obvious of what Lenihan has to do.

deise blue wrote: »

Anyway must sign off now - off to the march !

Bring an umbrella.

baronflyguy

deise blue wrote: »

You are wrong , the march is to give people from all sectors of society an opportunity to protest against the government's mooted cuts whether they be cuts to jobs , pay , welfare , children's allowance etc.
I'm in the private sector and will be meeting with other colleagues so that we can attend the march together

To me, if the march was to include private sectors then it would be organised after 6pm after end of business hours or a sunday where you would get maximum turnout.

This is a union organised march, I'm not part of any union nor would I waste my money on there narrow minded solutions and waffle they talk about on the radio. I'll make my protest on the ballot paper.

Cabaal

deise blue wrote: »

if the general presumption is that the public sector workers earn more then with an equitable tax system they will pay more.

I don't presume the public sector is paid more, my problem with the public sector is the fact that poor performers in the sector stay for life and get their pay increases anyway.

I've seen it happen, people that can't be fired due to their contracts...its insane.

In addition to this alot of people in the sector see the sick days as extra holidays, thats never right.

shapez

Cabaal wrote: »

I don't presume the public sector is paid more, my problem with the public sector is the fact that poor performers in the sector stay for life and get their pay increases anyway.

I've seen it happen, people that can't be fired due to their contracts...its insane.

In addition to this alot of people in the sector see the sick days as extra holidays, thats never right.

And what about the ones who do work hard, go beyond the call of duty and are never recognised for their achievements in what they specialize in?

What I've seen is the people you speak about get into positions in their workplace that they shouldn't have gotten in the first place. And when management discovers this they can't move them and what happens, Another job is created out of thin air to clean up the mess!!

Sully

At it now, just watching it begin!

alpha2zulu

Passed by in the car at 230, only 200-300 there max at the Glen-just the usual suspects if the banners are anything to go by! They could have easily had a bit of courtesy and moved in to let the traffic past and marched down O connell Street rather than Bridge St and the Quay,but such is life.

After Jack O Connors performance on Frontline with Pat Kenny during the week and reading the ICTU 10 Point "plan" I sleep a lot easier knowing its Lenihan in charge of the purse strings even with all his faults personally speaking:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8x3sr4cCXE

Cabaal

shapez wrote: »

And what about the ones who do work hard, go beyond the call of duty and are never recognised for their achievements in what they specialize in?

What I've seen is the people you speak about get into positions in their workplace that they shouldn't have gotten in the first place. And when management discovers this they can't move them and what happens, Another job is created out of thin air to clean up the mess!!

You've backed up my point even more
Its clear the public sector needs reform but the problem is that even if you find the useless people and want to lay them off the unions will likely strike anyway! :eek:

In fairness I've even come across one situation where a public sector worker couldn't be fired but they could stop her working with the public so she came into work and did nothing each day and got paid....thats insane and wouldn't happen in the private sector.

Cabaal

alpha2zulu wrote: »

After Jack O Connors performance on Frontline with Pat Kenny during the week and reading the ICTU 10 Point "plan" I sleep a lot easier knowing its Lenihan in charge of the purse strings even with all his faults personally speaking:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8x3sr4cCXE

I'm curious to know just what are Jack O Connors qualifications for knowing how to save the world...sorry I mean Ireland

alpha2zulu

I'm curious to know just what are Jack O Connors qualifications for knowing how to save the world...sorry I mean Ireland

I know he originally started as a Binman for one of the Dublin boroughs, not sure what Economics experience he found there unless managing his 127k salary has given him a few pointers

I know its great to imagine that the country can be saved without any pain but anybody with a bit of cop on will realise their figures are total nonsense and plenty are seeing through their drivel.

well butty

Cabaal wrote: »

I'm curious to know just what are Jack O Connors qualifications for knowing how to save the world...sorry I mean Ireland

He left school at 15, worked as a bin man, became the Union Representative and then the leader of SIPTU in 2003. All the left-wing experience to run a modern economy!!

RockPaper

alpha2zulu wrote: »

Passed by in the car at 230, only 200-300 there max at the Glen-just the usual suspects if the banners are anything to go by!

Well I was marching today and there was definitely more than a couple of hundred people taking part. I saw banners from SIPTU, IMPACT, Unite, TEEU, TUI, CWU, Public Sector unions, Fire Service, Nurses, and signs from Clonmel, Kilkenny and Wexford-not just the 'usual suspects'.

well butty

RockPaper wrote: »

alpha2zulu wrote: »

Passed by in the car at 230, only 200-300 there max at the Glen-just the usual suspects if the banners are anything to go by!

Well I was marching today and there was definitely more than a couple of hundred people taking part. I saw banners from SIPTU, IMPACT, Unite, TEEU, TUI, CWU, Public Sector unions, Fire Service, Nurses, and signs from Clonmel, Kilkenny and Wexford-not just the 'usual suspects'.

They all looked the same to me - bloated civil servants. They could do with the walk anyway!!:):)

Cabaal

well butty wrote: »

He left school at 15, worked as a bin man, became the Union Representative and then the leader of SIPTU in 2003. All the left-wing experience to run a modern economy!!

So its come to this a binman thinks he knows better then people working for the minister for finance who have numerous degrees in business and god knows what else (yes lads its not just the minister that wakes up in the morning and decides to cut taxes). Lets not forgot numerous other agency's within the EU and beyond.

Sure I guess the binman knows better :rolleyes:

alpha2zulu

SIPTU, IMPACT, Unite, TEEU, TUI, CWU, Public Sector unions, Fire Service, Nurses

Bit of a theme going on there...


Real pity there is no 'Public sector STFU and get back to work and feel the pinch now like everybody else rather than loading national debt on to the next generation for the sake of your cosy salary and pension package' protest march.

I'd definetly love to be at the head of that one.

well butty

It was funny really to see the obviously middle class, well paid civil servants getting cozy with the diehard socialists in order to try and bolster their campaign. Sick really...

The_Thing

So its come to this a binman thinks he knows better then people working for the minister for finance who have numerous degrees in business and god knows what else (yes lads its not just the minister that wakes up in the morning and decides to cut taxes). Lets not forgot numerous other agency's within the EU and beyond.

Sure I guess the binman knows better

NAMA Is Criminal, Says Joseph Stiglitz, Nobel-Winning Economist

Brian Cowen is a solicitor. He has no training or qualifications in economics, yet Brian Cowen says NAMA is the only option available.

Brian Lenihan is a barrister. He also has no training or qualifications in economics, yet Brian Lenihan says NAMA is the only option available.

Neither of these men would get on the short list to run a mid-sized European city.

Joseph Stiglitz is a professor of economics at Columbia University. He was awarded the Nobel Prize in 2001 and is a former Senior Vice President and Chief Economist of the World Bank.

Joseph Stiglitz thinks NAMA is a crime.

Now let me ask you something — who do you believe?

alpha2zulu

The_Thing wrote: »

NAMA Is Criminal, Says Joseph Stiglitz, Nobel-Winning Economist


Joseph Stiglitz is a professor of economics at Columbia University. He was awarded the Nobel Prize in 2001 and is a former Senior Vice President and Chief Economist of the World Bank.

Joseph Stiglitz thinks NAMA is a crime.

Now let me ask you something — who do you believe?

Who do i beleive...not Mr. Binman for starters.;)
While Lenihan may be no economist, you are forgetting that he has a huge staff at his disposal inluding many economists so I don't see where your going with that one.

As for the nobel committee, they have showed themselves this year to be well left of centre with awarding Obama the peace prize 9 months into his tenure, purely as a smack in the face to Bush.

Cabaal

The_Thing wrote: »

NAMA Is Criminal, Says Joseph Stiglitz, Nobel-Winning Economist

Brian Cowen is a solicitor. He has no training or qualifications in economics, yet Brian Cowen says NAMA is the only option available.

Brian Lenihan is a barrister. He also has no training or qualifications in economics, yet Brian Lenihan says NAMA is the only option available.

Now let me ask you something — who do you believe?

sigh,
You missed my point, the people working for Lenihan have numerous qualifications in economics and business, its not just Lenihan deciding what he's doing.

Same goes for Cowen,

This is fact,

deise blue

RTE reported 8,000 people marched yesterday , organisers reported 10,000 a figure TV3 agreed with.
I thought somewhere closer to 10,000 myself.
The biggest pro rata turnout in the country.
Great to see.

well butty

deise blue wrote: »

RTE reported 8,000 people marched yesterday , organisers reported 10,000 a figure TV3 agreed with.
I thought somewhere closer to 10,000 myself.
The biggest pro rata turnout in the country.
Great to see.

I think you need to stay off the booze or adjust the glasses. I saw the entire parade yesterday and there was a maximum of 3000 people there. However, it is in the interest of the Unions to pump it up.

deise blue

well butty wrote: »

I think you need to stay off the booze or adjust the glasses. I saw the entire parade yesterday and there was a maximum of 3000 people there. However, it is in the interest of the Unions to pump it up.

And of course it's in the interests of anti trade unionists to play down the figures.
Independent estimates ( Rte and the Gardai ) estimated the crowd as being 8,000 whereas the Unions claim 10,000.
As a marcher myself the 10,000 figure seem closer to the truth !

well butty

deise blue wrote: »

And of course it's in the interests of anti trade unionists to play down the figures.
Independent estimates ( Rte and the Gardai ) estimated the crowd as being 8,000 whereas the Unions claim 10,000.
As a marcher myself the 10,000 figure seem closer to the truth !

RTE and the Gardi - independent. Are you for real? Both public sector and both unionised! Stop will you, as you are making a mockery of the whole thing!!!

deise blue

well butty wrote: »

RTE and the Gardi - independent. Are you for real? Both public sector and both unionised! Stop will you, as you are making a mockery of the whole thing!!!

Have to correct you.
Gardai are not permitted to join a Trade Union !
Even the Independent gave the figure as 8,000 and they are the biggest anti union paper in Ireland.

nkay1985

deise blue wrote: »

Have to correct you.
Gardai are not permitted to join a Trade Union !
Even the Independent gave the figure as 8,000 and they are the biggest anti union paper in Ireland.

But they have the 24-7 allliance for a representative body. And the point that he was obviously making is that the Gardai hold a stake in this debate and so it would be in their benefit to report turnout as higher than it actually was.

I'm not saying that happened by the way. I wasn't at the march so can't say either way. Just that you tried to pick apart someone's argument on a little technicailty in their post while ignoring the main thrust of it.