Why so difficult to transfer from other Police Forces to AGS

ScubaDave

psni wrote: »

Erm.. you might want to check your sources on this, because it's completely untrue. If it was true, you're saying a Constable goes to a station without his firearm (having not received the required training)?

Well ill acknowledge what your saying because you know your stuff, BUT, i was informed of this by a working constable who has gone through the training program within the last 18 months. The several weeks on station, are purely administrative! NO outside work! This formed the basis of my dissertation so im not saying it blindly!

Shield

Sending you a PM about this.

Preset No.3

NOT being a member of AGS, I want to add or ask a couple of things.

So far this year I have seen a number of reports of upwards of 1000 members retiring, dismissals, new careers etc. It said that a lot of senior detectives and inspectors were leaving at an alarming rate and there was nobody to replace their experience. Did I read in a newspaper this week that something like 45% of the force had less than 5 years experience?

If and when the hiring embargo is lifted, would AGS not be very lucky to gain experienced officers from the likes of the MET, Oz, or even the US? Crime is crime the world over, but a lack of experience by younger officers will only delay the investigative process further. Why is senior garda management insistent on burying their heads in the sand and not admitting they have a problem?

Also, this being my own personal point, its not meant to have a go and start a row. BUT, I find some AGS members lack inter personal skills when dealing with the public. We are not all scumbags, and should be treated as such. Any dealings that I have ever had with foreign police forces, ESPECIALLY americans have always been courteous and respectful.

I think the AGS could learn a lot from foreign policing methods.

Alpha Golf

ScubaDave wrote: »

WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!

In the PSNI training program, after your initial 22 weeks training you do several weeks on station. Then you return to the college to do your Combined Operational Training (C.O.T.) training. In this, yes, it covers firearms, driving, first aid, public order etc. BUT, this is an addtional 16 weeks of training! NOT, in the initial six months!

Actually Scuba your "WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!"

after the initial 22 weeks training in GV PSNI officers receive a 10 week period of further training which includes firearms training and if they pass firearms first time its only then that they receive driving training otherwise they miss their chance of the driving course and get it at a later time after they have gone to their station.

dontgetonutube

ScubaDave wrote: »

Well ill acknowledge what your saying because you know your stuff, BUT, i was informed of this by a working constable who has gone through the training program within the last 18 months. The several weeks on station, are purely administrative! NO outside work! This formed the basis of my dissertation so im not saying it blindly!

Sounds like your working Constable was not able to progress with everyone else. This sometimes happens due to injury or failing something along the way.

However, during the 2 year probation, there are three brief spells spent being tested and getting some further training. These are at various intervals after commencing in Station.

dontgetonutube

I have no doubt that there are Members in AGS who would welcome the opportunity to transfer to other Forces either for personal or career reasons, and do take this option. By not encouraging others to transfer into AGS (by recognising service, pensions etc), that experience and training is being lost without being replaced.

A conversion course of some description would obviously be necessary to cover legislation and procedure but the obsession with Human Rights, PC World and training Social Workers has become the standard in UK Services too so perhaps we could skip that bit!!!