Total Fitness sandyford

TheBastard

Any one been up lately when the track is closed?

Confronted the manager about this and his excuse was "we've given it to the Dublin GAA team for the ngiht- but dont worry we're not recieving money for it".....

WTF? so they arent making money from it - but Who gives a **** about us fools paying €62.99 a month!

I'm paying Pretty much the highest Gym Rate in the country and THey are giving me the 2 fingers!

And dont get me started on the place been full of under 16's at 9:00 at night- they are like little mice running around the place.

Sorry for the rant:mad:

sunnydelight

I havent been up this week so didnt know about the track being closed. how long is it closed for?

as for the kids being there late at night, completely agree with you, it is
disgraceful. not only are they running around in the changing rooms, climing into the lockers, but on the floor downstaries i saw a kid no more then 6
running around, and also lifting dumb bells. its not a creche. cant believe this has not been stopped.

TheBastard wrote: »

Any one been up lately when the track is closed?

Confronted the manager about this and his excuse was "we've given it to the Dublin GAA team for the ngiht- but dont worry we're not recieving money for it".....

WTF? so they arent making money from it - but Who gives a **** about us fools paying €62.99 a month!

I'm paying Pretty much the highest Gym Rate in the country and THey are giving me the 2 fingers!

And dont get me started on the place been full of under 16's at 9:00 at night- they are like little mice running around the place.

Sorry for the rant:mad:

TheBastard

The track was closed last wednesday night- and over all 3 times in the last 2 weeks. The guy told us that the Irish football team had it one day and the Leinster Rugby team another- now i seen these guys and it must be the "b team"

The 14-16 year olds are the worst the go around in packs and Seem to take over the place- No joke, Me and my mate came up the stairs and a 15 year old had 35Kg on the bar resting on his chest and he was trying to roll it down his body as he had no one spot him- we went over and took it up off him- he would of been around 8-9 stone. He didnt say thanks he was mortified though. They are going to kill themselves before TF care. I was told that under 16 where out by 8o'clock- which never happens.

TBH i'm sick of the place- if its not smelling of piss down around the showers- or them turning off the Sauna at 9:30pm, or telling us the swimming area is closed at 9:35pm- when it clearly has a sign saying 9:45pm. The staff arent great either- one or two are grand but most need a course in Customer care.....

Thank God I didn't join this gym !!! Wouldn't be able to handle it and would flip at the manager !

cardio,shoot me

to be honest i think your making mountains out of mole hills.

Im up there at least 4 times a week and have yet to encounter the running track being closed. Ive also never seen a person under 14 in the weights room upstairs.

cmyk

And I'm up there at least 3 times a week, never seen the kides all over the place? There are a lot of people that use the squat racks for every other exercise but squatting though. :mad:

I do understand where you're coming from with regard to the running track. If I went up and they had closed off one of the areas that I use I'd be having words with management, so you def have a case. In fact I'd just have used the running track regardless.

cardio,shoot me

yea i do have to ask people to move out of the squat racks quite often. The thing that amazes me is the people who pick up the dumbells then move into the squat rack to stare at themselves curl, even though there are 3, 6 foot tall mirrors beside the dumbell racks!

cmyk

Ye, there's usually the same two guys using the squat rack for shoulder presses. Think I've seen you up there a couple of times, recognise you from the crossfit post. I'll say hello next time. I'm usually there tues/thurs/sat or sun.

cardio,shoot me

haha do :P im usually the one whose face resembles a tomato by the end of my session :P

Red Cortina

Have just joined Total Fitness Sandyford very recently. Was up there twice last week and they had the track fully shut for one session and partially shut off for another session. I questioned the fella that was putting up the closed signs and he said that it was only in exceptional circumstances that it was shut. It looked like they were doing time trials (maybe they are called beep tests??) for the Dublin GAA team. Am planning on going there after work tomorrow to do my sprint interval session and will be non too impressed if the track is shut.
By the way do any women ever use the main weights area or is it an entirely male only zone?

cardio,shoot me

Red Cortina wrote: »

Have just joined Total Fitness Sandyford very recently. Was up there twice last week and they had the track fully shut for one session and partially shut off for another session. I questioned the fella that was putting up the closed signs and he said that it was only in exceptional circumstances that it was shut. It looked like they were doing time trials (maybe they are called beep tests??) for the Dublin GAA team. Am planning on going there after work tomorrow to do my sprint interval session and will be non too impressed if the track is shut.
By the way do any women ever use the main weights area or is it an entirely male only zone?

nah women are allowed to use it and some do, i dont think the majority of women feel comfortable lifting in there though.

Red Cortina

cardio,shoot me wrote: »

nah women are allowed to use it and some do, i dont think the majority of women feel comfortable lifting in there though.

It wouldn't bother me in the slightest to use the equipment in the main weights area if other women were using it too. But it is quite an intimidating place if you are the only women there.

TheBastard

cardio,shoot me wrote: »

to be honest i think your making mountains out of mole hills.

Im up there at least 4 times a week and have yet to encounter the running track being closed. Ive also never seen a person under 14 in the weights room upstairs.

Well i'm hardly just making this up:rolleyes: did you read my post where i refered to under 14's??

i said (if you read my post) 14-16 mark. they just clog up the place
as they hang around in a group.

and as you can see by the above post the track has been closed- Fair enough its not all the time but once is too much if your just giving it to a Team for free- if maintainance was required i wouldnt complain. I approached the manager but she didnt come out- someother guy did, he just gave it the "wont be happening again" speech- but it has happened 3 time over the last 2 weeks.


The staff are brutal though- anyone notice how they deal with the complaints Box?? just got rid of it.

cmyk

I'll give you the fact that most of the staff are brutal alright. I asked if there were any exercise bands around a couple of weeks ago...and girl at the desk said I'll get someone now. Called a girl over who had just finished a taking a class and she told me there should be some 'around' and she'd have a look after her shower!!!

philipm

It is a service business and if they got the basics right, clean toilets and more helpful and friendly staff it would command the premium.

A bit off topic but can you reccomend any of the trainers? I want to perfect my squat and deadlift and have been doing it badly no matter how many YouTube videos I look at:)

cmyk

Nope I've used 2 of the trainers up there, I won't say names as that's not fair, but was not impressed with them at all. I can recommend transform (dominic) here though, you can send him a pm.

aye

philipm wrote: »

A bit off topic but can you reccomend any of the trainers? I want to perfect my squat and deadlift and have been doing it badly no matter how many YouTube videos I look at:)

Ask for either Mark, Tylot or Anto.


As regards the complaints box, i made a complaint a while back and it was dealt with, but i talked to manager directly, if the manager wont see you then email the head office about it.

philipm

Thanks I am recovering from nasty chest and rib injury playing rugby so as soon it is heeled I will look into it further. Thank you.

It could be an idea for total fitness to set up a suggestion and ratings page on there website for members.

Something like this:
http://mystarbucksidea.force.com/

sunnydelight

TheBastard wrote: »

Well i'm hardly just making this up:rolleyes: did you read my post where i refered to under 14's??

I agree i swear to god there is a little girl downstaires she hangs around when her dad trains, she lifts the dumbells off the racks and runs around with them. I was going mad more afraid i'd bang into her while exercising.
and a boy no more then 10 sitting on one of the machines. while his dad trains. now i am up 4 evenings a wk. and its not a one off either.

as for the MEN's area, Nope would rather train with the kids downstaires.
less intimidating.

nullzero

cardio,shoot me wrote: »

to be honest i think your making mountains out of mole hills.

Im up there at least 4 times a week and have yet to encounter the running track being closed. Ive also never seen a person under 14 in the weights room upstairs.

I'm the friend of the thread author whom he refrences in his OP.
I have been in the gym on three occassions in the last month when the track has been closed, so perhaps you've just been lucky and gone up at the right time.
As for those of us who went up on those days with the intent of using the track it began to grate on our nerves very quickly and correctly warranted complaint, not as you suggested making mountains out of mole hills. It's very easy to be pragmatic about these issues unless you yourself are having to deal with them would not agree?

As for the overall experience of being a member in Total Fitness Sandyford, I would have to say that the standards have been falling since I joined three years ago.
My major gripe is regarding the safety of the weight bars. I've lost count of how many times I've been using a curl bar and had the weight fall of at one end because the locking nut came loose on the bar. There never seems to be any attention paid to this and I have made complaints both vocal and in writing several times over the years only to be met with blank looks and indifference.
The refurb of the gym which as far as I can remember took place about 18 months ago was a massive waste of time and money. New carpets were fitted all over the gym where small repairs would have sufficed. I can only imagine how much good the refurb budget would have done for the quality of the gym had it been spent on repairs and new equipment.

Another thing that is getting up my nose is the amount of 14-16 year old boys there.
They have no common sense as far as I can tell and I would be surpirsed if any of them were properly inducted when they joined.
They clog up the weights area usually with four or five sets of dumbells spread around their bench which they sit on talking to each other not exercising.
To be fair camping on equpiment in the weights area isn't confined to the teenagers, there are plenty of posers who spend upward of an hour looking longingly at themselves in the mirror, occassionally breaking to actually lift some weights.

As somebody who has to use the gym late at night a lot of the time, I find the attitude of some staff in the pool area really annoying.
The pool is meant to close at 9.45, however there is one guy who works out at the pool who loves othing better than to close early.
I personally use the sauna or sanarium after the gym and I'm happy to finish up in the gym at 9.25 and be out at the pool for 9.30 to get 15 minutes in the sauna, although sometimes I leave the changing rooms at 9.30 and arrive in out at the pool at 9.35. I must be getting abducted by aliens and suffering from missing time syndrome or entering a different time zone to the rest of the gym as the walk out only take about 15 seconds at most, where have the other 4 minutes and 45 seconds gone?
I've often encountered staff at the pool who come around opening the sauna door at 9.30 telling everyone to get out as the pool is closed, which is bullsh1t. That said there are some nice staff who are flexible and don't rush you, but ones that do treat you badly tend to stick in your mind more. The cheek of these people, can you imagine going into a shop and being hearded out 15 minuted before closing? They wouldn't do it because they want your custom, but Total Fitness already have your money so they don't care if they treat you like dirt.

gnolan

sunnydelight wrote: »

as for the MEN's area, Nope would rather train with the kids downstaires.
less intimidating.

I don't get this. What do you need? A sign saying, "All Women Welcome"? You pay your membership like everyone else, use whatever you want. Do you expect the men to come over and ask you to leave? Any women i see in the free weights section know exactly what they are doing, and will only command respect for deadlifting and sqautting, as opposed to the women in "Ladies Section" working on their "problem areas" with partial situps and adductor machines.

Start lifting something heavy

cmyk

Hmmmn, maybe it's earlier than I've been up there, usualy 6.30-8 or so?

I would've thought they'd have been quite strict on that due to the fear of someone taking a case if the child was injured?

I have seen the standards slip in the last few years also. I've been considering leaving for a smaller gym that's better equipped and not much further away.

This is the problem with big commercial gyms in my opinion.

Professionalism and customer service unfortunately goes out the window. They take the p*ss out of you to be honest.

On the flip side, for whatever reason, when people join a gym, they automatically become affiliated with that gym (like a football team they supported) and a lot of the time become super loyal to that gym especially regulars who go and they tend to let things slide that they wouldn't normally in other situations and then refuse to let people criticise the gym or say there is an issue with said gym.

Personally, when it comes to the big commercial gyms, I would believe just about anything. The standards in this country are a joke to be honest.

cmyk

gnolan wrote: »

I don't get this. What do you need? A sign saying, "All Women Welcome"? You pay your membership like everyone else, use whatever you want. Do you expect the men to come over and ask you to leave? Any women i see in the free weights section know exactly what they are doing, and will only command respect for deadlifting and sqautting, as opposed to the women in "Ladies Section" working on their "problem areas" with partial situps and adductor machines.

Start lifting something heavy

This is correct, though a little harsh, the weights room gets very busy with little or no free benches/racks at peak times, with a lot of bravado thrown around, I can see how she can be intimidated. Just ignore it sunnydelight and use the equipment you need to use.

Red Cortina

gnolan wrote: »

I don't get this. What do you need? A sign saying, "All Women Welcome"? You pay your membership like everyone else, use whatever you want. Do you expect the men to come over and ask you to leave? Any women i see in the free weights section know exactly what they are doing, and will only command respect for deadlifting and sqautting, as opposed to the women in "Ladies Section" working on their "problem areas" with partial situps and adductor machines.

Start lifting something heavy

I certainly don't expect either an All Women Welcome sign or that a man would ask me to leave. I think that what would improve the situation is if women were left with no choice but to use the general weights area ie shut the women only area with the really loud TV. Hopefully then lots of women would then use the main weights area!

By the way I certain lift as heavy as possible:-)

TheBastard

not one curl bar (as Nullzero said ) is in working condition, there is a nut which needs to be tightened, i'm sick of trying to tighten it with my finger.

The different time zone in the pool area is a joke- and even still there is one staff member who refuses to wait till 9:45 to open the doors of the sauna/ steam room. last night there where people told to get out of the pool when it was 9:40 and we all know 5 minutes of swimming makes a difference.

One night the Guy at the pool rushed over to the door of the Sauna, opened it and said in a rused voice "closing early tonight" now as soon as he walked away i shut the door- he came back over and said did you not hear me? i pointed to the clock and the sign saying 9:45 closing. he wasnt happy at all- and 4 weeks later has an attitiude towards me as if if a dickhead. We should be left alone till 9:45 and then they start to clean up. Saturday morning can be a joke when the guy pulls out the power washer and pulls up the aco drains to clean them and there is kids running around. or there idea of cleaning is hosing down the floor with cold water. last time i checked you need warm water and a bit of a scrub!

sunnydelight

well i do lift heavy weights, but I feel more comfortable doing my weights downstaires which is my choice, and if you notice there is not
that many women in the free weights section. so it cant be just me who feels it. and i never command repect from anyone, male or female. I know how much work i put in so thats all that matters to me.

gnolan wrote: »

I don't get this. What do you need? A sign saying, "All Women Welcome"? You pay your membership like everyone else, use whatever you want. Do you expect the men to come over and ask you to leave? Any women i see in the free weights section know exactly what they are doing, and will only command respect for deadlifting and sqautting, as opposed to the women in "Ladies Section" working on their "problem areas" with partial situps and adductor machines.

Start lifting something heavy

pebbles21

Has anyone renewed their membership yet? I was quoted €569 and was hoping to get it down a bit!

Red Cortina

pebbles21 wrote: »

Has anyone renewed their membership yet? I was quoted €569 and was hoping to get it down a bit!

I joined in the past few weeks and paid 447.50euro

cardio,shoot me

nullzero wrote: »

Another thing that is getting up my nose is the amount of 14-16 year old boys there.
They have no common sense as far as I can tell and I would be surpirsed if any of them were properly inducted when they joined.
They clog up the weights area usually with four or five sets of dumbells spread around their bench which they sit on talking to each other not exercising.

This is my major gripe with the majority of the posts in this thread.
I myself am 16, i have 3 friends up in total fitness who are also 16. My friends and i work hard and take our training seriously. Yes there are some kids who dont know what they are doing up there. But that is not confined to this age bracket at all. Id say the percentage of teenagers and the adults in that gym who have no clue what they are doing is very similar.

TheBastard

cardio,shoot me wrote: »

This is my major gripe with the majority of the posts in this thread.
I myself am 16, i have 3 friends up in total fitness who are also 16. My friends and i work hard and take our training seriously. Yes there are some kids who dont know what they are doing up there. But that is not confined to this age bracket at all. Id say the percentage of teenagers and the adults in that gym who have no clue what they are doing is very similar.

The difference is you dont see 6 middle aged guys stting around one bench, while the 16 year olds go around in groups.

i was told when i joined 16 and under where gone by 8pm and also 16 and under wheren't allowed near the weights area. although it might of been under 16....

Also each time i go up more and more kids are going out and using the boxing bag and dont put the gear away afterwards. Kids (under16) should not be allowed ear gyms in fact, and when i see them do there protein shakes i have to laugh at them more.:mad:

I can see where you're coming from bastard, the "pack" mentality is quite funny.

cardio,shoot me

TheBastard wrote: »

The difference is you dont see 6 middle aged guys stting around one bench, while the 16 year olds go around in groups.

i was told when i joined 16 and under where gone by 8pm and also 16 and under wheren't allowed near the weights area. although it might of been under 16....

Also each time i go up more and more kids are going out and using the boxing bag and dont put the gear away afterwards. Kids (under16) should not be allowed ear gyms in fact, and when i see them do there protein shakes i have to laugh at them more.:mad:

Alright, cop the fck on, this attitude is so ageist. Plenty of times ill walk into that gym and see a group of guys around 20 -25 sitting around one bench.
I dont use the boxing area so i cant comment on that.

And who cares about them taking protein shakes? plenty of older people in total fitness take them aswell while doing the same type of routine as the younger guys.

TheBastard

cardio,shoot me wrote: »

Alright, cop the fck on, this attitude is so ageist. Plenty of times ill walk into that gym and see a group of guys around 20 -25 sitting around one bench.
I dont use the boxing area so i cant comment on that.

And who cares about them taking protein shakes? plenty of older people in total fitness take them aswell while doing the same type of routine as the younger guys.

Listen i've never seen 6 25 year old on one bench- you might get 2 guys training together spotting each other.

16, your a kid- you shouldnt be doing protein shakes! its simple- ask any doctor. Eat good food- then 18+ do it. The amount of skinny little kids in the gym with there protein drinks its funny, "my rugby coach told me to take it" Its a disgrace they are allowed to sell it to under 18's any way.

and yes, maybe there is a percentage of adults who gym Etticate isn't great, But kids shouldnt be allowed near weights- its not good for them. ask any doctor, there Skelleton isnt formed yet- so they put alot of pressure on there bodies. REad about it, you might learn something

cardio,shoot me

TheBastard wrote: »

Listen i've never seen 6 25 year old on one bench- you might get 2 guys training together spotting each other.

16, your a kid- you shouldnt be doing protein shakes! its simple- ask any doctor. Eat good food- then 18+ do it. The amoun of skinny little kids in the gym with there protein drinks its funny, "my rugby coach told me to take it" Its a disgrace they are aloowed to sell it to under 18's any way.

any yes, maybe there is a percentage of adults who gym Etticate isn't great, But kids shouldnt be allowed near weights- its not good for them. ask any doctor, there Skelleton isnt formed yet- so they put alot of pressure on there bodies. REad about it, you might learn something

Alright this is where i bow out, you have no clue what your talking about.

Mickk

TheBastard wrote: »

Listen i've never seen 6 25 year old on one bench- you might get 2 guys training together spotting each other.

16, your a kid- you shouldnt be doing protein shakes! its simple- ask any doctor. Eat good food- then 18+ do it. The amount of skinny little kids in the gym with there protein drinks its funny, "my rugby coach told me to take it" Its a disgrace they are allowed to sell it to under 18's any way.

and yes, maybe there is a percentage of adults who gym Etticate isn't great, But kids shouldnt be allowed near weights- its not good for them. ask any doctor, there Skelleton isnt formed yet- so they put alot of pressure on there bodies. REad about it, you might learn something

You should be glad there are 6 of them on one bench and not 1 each on 6 different benches. Whats your take on kids playing sports or drinking milk?

TheBastard

cardio,shoot me wrote: »

Alright this is where i bow out, you have no clue what your talking about.

Thats fine- its a medical opinion which is true, Doctors always say kids shouldn't do weights and when your 16, your a kid

Mickk wrote: »

You should be glad there are 6 of them on one bench and not 1 each on 6 different benches. Whats your take on kids playing sports or drinking milk?

kids playing sports = good
drinking milk = good

But 15/16 year olds doing weights isnt reccomened, and Protein shakes for kids??????
How can you even compare milk and sports to Weights and Protein shakes?

Its not as if i made this up- there has been research into this- its not rocket science.

Nate--IRL--

TheBastard wrote: »

Its not as if i made this up- there has been research into this- its not rocket science.

Please provide a link to said research.

Nate

Hanley

TheBastard wrote: »

Thats fine- its a medical opinion which is true, Doctors always say kids shouldn't do weights and when your 16, your a kid



kids playing sports = good
drinking milk = good

But 15/16 year olds doing weights isnt reccomened, and Protein shakes for kids??????
How can you even compare milk and sports to Weights and Protein shakes?

Its not as if i made this up- there has been research into this- its not rocket science.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You're probably MORE ignorant in regards to weight training than the 16 year old kids you're slagging.

A doctor's "opinion" means sh!t all. For every opinion your GP has, I bet I could find you another Doctor who believes something different. Who's right?

"doing" protein shakes... lol. Any peer reviewed studies/journals to show why it's bad or shouldn't be done?

Have you any data on injuries sustained per participant hours when it comes to weight training versus "conventional" sports?

Their "Skelleton" isn't formed??? What does this mean?? Are they just sacks of jelly being supported by nothing??? What is the danger SPECIFICALLY when it comes to kids training with weights?

The arrogance you're displaying is astounding.

TheBastard

the Kids in this forum are acting up- think i'll back out- kids dont listen.

and check it out on the Protein Tub- most say 16 and under avoid!

And when i say 16 year olds skeletons arent formed- its true you dont finish growing till about 18-22! there was a Study done on the Show off the ball about 6 months ago. there is research out there.... check for yourselves

Nate--IRL--

TheBastard wrote: »

the Kids in this forum are acting up- think i'll back out- kids dont listen.

and check it out on the Protein Tub- most say 16 and under avoid!

And when i say 16 year olds skeletons arent formed- its true you dont finish growing till about 18-22! there was a Study done on the Show off the ball about 6 months ago. there is research out there.... check for yourselves

Kids? I'm 30. Back up your assertion with evidence, like any adult engaging in debate would.

Nate

Hanley

TheBastard wrote: »

the Kids in this forum are acting up- think i'll back out- kids dont listen.

and check it out on the Protein Tub- most say 16 and under avoid!

And?

If they ate a chicken fillet instead of a shake, would that be ok?

And when i say 16 year olds skeletons arent formed- its true you dont finish growing till about 18-22! there was a Study done on the Show off the ball about 6 months ago. there is research out there.... check for yourselves

I assume you're talking about growth plates?? As far as I'm aware, the majority of growth plate injuries are acute in nature. They come from contact forces and jarring. Like hits playing rugby and GAA.

And if you were bothered to look, you'd find there's been quite a few studies on the impact of weight training and growth in adolescents. All have shown that it has no negative effect.

TheBastard

Hanley wrote: »

And?

If they ate a chicken fillet instead of a shake, would that be ok?



I assume you're talking about growth plates?? As far as I'm aware, the majority of growth plate injuries are acute in nature. They come from contact forces and jarring. Like hits playing rugby and GAA.

And if you were bothered to look, you'd find there's been quite a few studies on the impact of weight training and growth in adolescents. All have shown that it has no negative effect.

All has shown no effects?? i think you should check again.

and this thread has been dragged off my original compaint of the gym and kids being in it.... by a 16 year old defending kids in gyms

Hanley

TheBastard wrote: »

All has shown no effects?? i think you should check again.

Care to enlighten us?

I can think of one that showed it may have an effect in RELATION to weight training. But it didn't differentiate between injuries cos by training, and the injuries that may have occured by falling over with weight on their back etc (a symptom of poor instruction, not the fault of actual weight training)

TheBastard

This thread has gone off the Original Topic, if anyone wants to set up a new thread in relation to kids and weights be my guest.... this is about TF.

nullzero

This thread is going down the toilet right now.

To address the debate about 16 year old members, I would simply say that the 16 year old boys I see in the gym do not have any great repespect for the facilities or other who use them.
I am not saying that all 16 year olds in gyms are like that, I am merely stating what I have encountered in Total Fitness Sandyford.

As for the debate regarding protien and other such dietary suppliments which are aimed at increasing muscle mass I would say that there has been research done to prove how detrimental these products can be to both fully grown adults and more specifically adolescent individuals.
As I am merely replying quickly right now I do not have links to hand, I will endeavour to provide said information at a later date.

I personally wouldn't dream of touching these products because of the profound affect they have on your digestive system, namely introducing higher levels of protien than your body is designed to handle, which can manifest inself in large, sore and extemely unsightly boils, usually on the back which from what I have seen from people who do use these products and have reported the side effects to me, are neither nice to look at or feel nice to have on your body.
A grave misunderstanding people generally have about their health is linked to a lack of understanding of how important your digestive tract is to your overall well being, so by that simple logice, over loading your body with these suppliments is not a good idea unless you are a professional sports person who has a profound need for it.
Having attended a rugby school I find it abhorant to see the attitudes towards the detrimental affects of these suppliments to young growing bodies in the name of the sporting success of the school.

I wouldnt advocate taking these suppliments for any age group, but I would definitley not agree with them being used by teenage boys who are nowhere near fully developed physically and are for the most part still big walking bags of imbalanced hormones.
Let the body develop on its own, exercise is fine but I've seen plenty of young lads who trained and got pristine bodies whilst in school when they had nothing else to do but train. Once the big 18 comes around as is endemic in our culture, these young guys wont be lifting many things other than pints, leaving their over deveolped bodies to go to mush.
This might not be true for every young guy who takes these suppliments, but for 9 out of 10 it will probably be true.
When I think back to being that age I kept fit by playing sports, cycling everywhere, I worked on building sites, I became muscular that way. The only lads I knew who even had the inclination to take suppliments were playing rugby in my school. So for me I think the schools have a lot to answer for in the debate.

cmyk

TheBastard wrote: »

All has shown no effects?? i think you should check again.

and this thread has been dragged off my original compaint of the gym and kids being in it.... by a 16 year old defending kids in gyms

Ok and I'm out now too. Said 16 year old has the right to defend himself and could well be more educated and dedicated to his workouts than you, there is no need to patronise him.

To drag it back on topic I am up there 3 times a week and they have never interfered with my workout if it's the group I think you are referring to.

To be perfectly honest I am happy seeing young people working out rather than sitting at home in front of their playstations. Some of them simply lack guidance on what they should be doing. And for the record I am 31

TheBastard

cmyk wrote: »

Ok and I'm out now too. Said 16 year old has the right to defend himself and could well be more educated and dedicated to his workouts than you, there is no need to patronise him.

To drag it back on topic I am up there 3 times a week and they have never interfered with my workout if it's the group I think you are referring to.

To be perfectly honest I am happy seeing young people working out rather than sitting at home in front of their playstations. Some of them simply lack guidance on what they should be doing. And for the record I am 31

welll i'm up there 3 times a week myself, and if what you say is true then you are very lucky. There might be a few guys who are 16 (and look older due to there bodies been enhanced through drinking protein and putting on unatural body mass). the group i'm talking about do more messing than gym work. Now this might not bother you- but it pisses me off. one occasion i was there 2 x trainers had signs saying broken- they went over and flung the signs away- thinking they where cool- its this type of childish behaviour is the reason i go up at night as to avoid most of them.

To pick you up on your other point of a 16 year old knowing more about me in relation to gym work- you agree with him so you think he knows more than me. If you agreed with me you'd back me. there is a difference of opinion doesnt mean i'm right or wrong! there is evidence of weight lifting in kids damaging there bodies. and Whey protein has been known to contain plastics- When there was baby deaths in china there last year they doscovered that the Baby formula which had contained poisons and killed a number of small infants, when they looked into the factory they discovered it was making massive amounts of whey based products- Which could have leaked its way into ANY whey based products. THhis is fact and has happened.

cmyk

Well that would piss me off, and maybe I'm lucky that I haven't seen this, but if I did I'd be straight down to management making a complaint. (maybe you've already done this, but I would speak directly to the manager)

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone, I felt you were patronising others in the discussion by saying 'the kids are acting up on this forum'. Cardio,shoot me seems to have his head screwed on, (I know this as he posts quite a bit here) knows a lot more about lifting than I did at his age, pays his membership like all of us, so is entitled to his argument.

As for the whey/plastic/skeletal discussion they are different arguments, and purposely haven't got involved in those.

On a side note I see plenty of adults up there doing exercises with poor form, arguably doing more damage to their bodies than they realise.

On a sidenote regarding tf in sandyford, the one thing that really annoys me is the amount of people parking in the handicap, mother and child spaces and double yellow lines on the footpath. I'll be flagging this to the management also, along with the weights benches not being replaced when broken. I will then vote with my feet.

TheBastard

cmyk wrote: »

On a sidenote regarding tf in sandyford, the one thing that really annoys me is the amount of people parking in the handicap, mother and child spaces and double yellow lines on the footpath. I'll be flagging this to the management also, along with the weights benches not being replaced when broken. I will then vote with my feet.

My friend made a comment one night and it was very true- each times he comes into the gym he expects it to be full of Paraplegics, as all of the Handicap spots are taken. I'd never dream of parking in a handicapped spot. I dont park in the Family spots either but after 8pm at night since there should be no kids there i dont see a problem with these spots being used the.

The saunaarium has a mind of its own- sometimes its on full blast sometimes it aint even working. They are very slow to fix anything in the gym. the Power plate was broke for a few weeks. And each curl bar hasnt being in working condition since i joined. The Toilets just smell of piss- and there idea of cleaning the walkway from the gents to the pool is hosing it down with cold water. Staff aren't great either. There was Foreign man who was out at the pool most evenings- he was great- didnt rush people out, he'd close off the pools before thowing people out of the Sauna. Every clock in the place runs at its own pace, i swear there is 4 different time zones. The gym has it up points, its has alot of machines so you dont have to wait- the track is great for cold/ wet evenings. Some of the equiptment is very good and some gyms dont have these. but there are too many downsides.

man this thread is really ridiculous. its gone off topic too. total joke. the more i read the so called facts about protein supplements etc the more annoyed i get. bowing out. i also retract my earlier statement in this thread about the 16 year olds having a pack mentality in the gyms. i said it in jest and half heartedly but the op seems to have serious issues and has rambled off topic and on to different points so much that i don't want my opinion affiliated with such venemous views which i believe are pathetic.