Obama To Announce Moon Base and Aliens To The World In November!

cable842

Heard this from someone yesterday and looked it up and found this....

http://www.examiner.com/x-2383-Honolulu-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2009m10d21-Official-disclosure-of-extraterrestrial-life-is-imminent#

check it out....

sounds cool hope its all true and there has been so many secrets since roswell

In addition, popular NASA and space researcher, Richard Hoagland, has publicly come forward to reveal that the October 9, LCROSS ‘bombing’ mission of the moon, discovered an ancient base at the moon’s South Pole. Reviewing the scientific data achieved by NASA’s LCROSS mission, Hoagland concluded, also on the popular late night Coast to Coast AM radio show, that “LCROSS is part of a carefully constructed campaign to prepare the populace for imminent disclosure. The President of the United States will soon announce that scientists have discovered ruins on the moon, he added. Nobody saw the LCROSS debris plume because the probes struck a building which swallowed the effects of the explosion.”

Ah Richard Hoagland: comedy gold.

I think it shows how good this article is when they think this crackpot is attached to NASA or has access to information from the LCROSS mission.

mrpants

there would be lots of redneck hicks going " I told you so!"

http://www.miniclip.com/games/obama-alien-defense/en/

profitius

At the earliest they'll wait until the oil runs out. Moon bases = proof of higher technologies.

bikeblues

It may not be november but it is going to happen fairly shortly .
Obama was specifically chosen for this task.

Not sure why you are slagging Hoagland off - the man is and has always been on the right track.

humanji

What's he been right about?

To be honest, the article won't convince anyone, even if it were true. Using gems such as "confidential sources" hardly makes the writer appear reliable at all. I predict that nothing will happen, this article will be forgotten and a couple of months later a new one will replace it claiming that disclosure will happen at the end of next year.

Diogenes

bikeblues wrote: »

It may not be november but it is going to happen fairly shortly .
Obama was specifically chosen for this task.

What possible skills does Obama have that qualifies him for the task?
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Not sure why you are slagging Hoagland off - the man is and has always been on the right track.[/QUOTE]


Hogland claimed he was a consultant to CBS during the moonlanding. Cronkike calls this complete nonsense. His "hyperdimensional physics" theories have never been published in a reputable scientific journal. He claims thee face on mars was "proof" Aliens lived on Mars yet when both the ESA and NASA sent further probes that provided superior quality photos that showed that the "face" is just an irregular shaped set of mountains, Hogland claimed the photos were "doctored".

He's a fraud and charlatan.

profitius

Diogenes wrote: »

Hogland claimed he was a consultant to CBS during the moonlanding. Cronkike calls this complete nonsense. His "hyperdimensional physics" theories have never been published in a reputable scientific journal. He claims thee face on mars was "proof" Aliens lived on Mars yet when both the ESA and NASA sent further probes that provided superior quality photos that showed that the "face" is just an irregular shaped set of mountains, Hogland claimed the photos were "doctored".

He's a fraud and charlatan.

How do we know Cronkike isn't a fraud? Its a well know fact that some people are hired to say things like this if a person is getting too close to the truth.

I'm certainly not saying Hogland is not a fraud but the fact is we don't know. He could be a fraud or he could be genuinely wrong or he could be correct. Keep an open mind I say.

For the record I reckon he isn't a fraud. He seems genuine enough.

Diogenes

profitius wrote: »

How do we know Cronkike isn't a fraud? Its a well know fact that some people are hired to say things like this if a person is getting too close to the truth.

Thats nonsense. Cronkike was one of the most respected names in journalism and covered the Moon landing for CBS. Hogland has no evidence that he worked for CBS, and Cronkike has no reason to lie.

I'm certainly not saying Hogland is not a fraud but the fact is we don't know. He could be a fraud or he could be genuinely wrong or he could be correct. Keep an open mind I say.

For the record I reckon he isn't a fraud. He seems genuine enough.

Making a claim that a photo proves intelligent life existed on Mars, then claiming higher resolutions photos have been altered are not the actions of a genuine man.

profitius

Diogenes wrote: »

Thats nonsense. Cronkike was one of the most respected names in journalism and covered the Moon landing for CBS. Hogland has no evidence that he worked for CBS, and Cronkike has no reason to lie.




Making a claim that a photo proves intelligent life existed on Mars, then claiming higher resolutions photos have been altered are not the actions of a genuine man.

Ah ok you know everything.

It's amazing that no one seems to think that people like Hoagland have nothing to gain from their theories, and thus have no reason to lie.

But Hoagland has made his entire career from this stuff.
He has every reason to lie and make **** up.

And he does both all the time.

Another lie of his was that he designed the Pioneer plaque when it was in fact Carl Sagan and Frank Drake.

None of his "theories" of physics have anything supporting them.
And to top that, they don't make any sense.

His claims about alien structures are based solely on him finding any little anomaly in photos and making ridiculous claims about it.

Also pretty much all of his predictions about NASA are promptly disproven.

On December 9, 2007, Hoagland wrote that the vexatious problems NASA was then having with the “ECO” low-fuel sensors in the space shuttle main fuel tank were due to what he called “Torsion Physics”, which he claimed would never be resolved by conventional engineering.[73] On February 7, 2008, STS-122 launched successfully. In the postlaunch press conference mission managers reported that the ECO sensors had performed flawlessly. The problem had been traced to an external tank feed-through connector—and corrected using perfectly conventional engineering[2]. The mission ended, as planned, on February 20—and was called a complete success. Hoagland offered no apology for his error.

He stated on March 16 and 17, 2009 during the Coast to Coast AM show that the Hubble repair mission STS-125, scheduled for May 2009, will be canceled in line with a policy allowing NASA to devote resources to more inspiring programs (it was not).

On October 16/17[75] he stated that the new Ares I-X rocket, scheduled for rollout on October 19 for launch on October 27, would never reach the launch pad. In fact, Ares arrived at pad 39B on October 20, 2009.[76]
It launched successfully on Wednesday.

The man is a crank pure and simple.

bonkey

King Mob wrote: »

Another lie of his was that he designed the Pioneer plaque when it was in fact Carl Sagan and Frank Drake.

Thats a new one on me...

When did he make that claim?

Diogenes

profitius wrote: »

Ah ok you know everything.

Did I ever say I know everything?

If Hogland is right then tens of thousands of scientists, flight engineers, and technicians across the world have committed the greatest fraud in the history of the world.

If Hogland is lying then one delusional idiot is guilty of making stuff up.

I tend to prescribe the latter position.

But hey, according to Hogland all of this will be revealed before the end of the year, he gets lauded as the greatest scientist in the world, and you get to say "I told you so". I'd lay odds on none of the above happening though.

bonkey

bonkey wrote: »

Thats a new one on me...

When did he make that claim?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_C._Hoagland#Other_claims

http://www.gpposner.com/Hoagland.html

Speaking of Sagan, the Pioneer 10 plaque and its elegant message (right) have always to me epitomized his poetic genius. But Hoagland told the FTP audience on July 13, 1990, that "Carl for many years has been taking public credit for the Pioneer plaque which, of course, Eric Burgess and I conceived."

When I inquired of Carl Sagan as to the precise nature of Hoagland's role in the "creation" and "design" of the Pioneer 10 plaque, Sagan's reply of September 6, 1990, made clear that "Eric Burgess and Richard Hoagland did no more than suggest to me that a message be put aboard Pioneer 10 and 11. Frank Drake and I, with an assist from Linda Sagan [Carl's wife at the time, who prepared the artwork], did the design, and I was responsible for getting it through the NASA and White House approval process. . . . [Hoagland] did not contribute one bit of data towards the message design."

Personally I take Sagan's word over Hoaglands.

nullzero

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nullzero

Hey King Mob, if people want to give people like Hoagland a career in crazy then let them.
You really must stop being so horrified.
There are mental people in the world, I'm horified by how supposedly rational people believe in teachings of the Catholic church even though its plain to see the Catholic church don't follow their own guidelines.
The world is a fvcked up place, some people have crazy beliefs, best thing to do is ignore the fvck out of them if you don't like what their saying.
I know you like to point out the inaccuracies of these peoples beliefs and their attendant foibles, but seriously, just ignore them. They wont go away but at least you wont have to worry about them any more.

As for announcments about aliens being real. I'm sure it's bound to happen sometime, as for next month I'm not so sure.

steamjetjoe

its crazy alright. The whole God thing that is:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wV_REEdvxo&feature=player_embedded

nullzero

nullzero wrote: »

Hey King Mob, if people want to give people like Hoagland a career in crazy then let them.
You really must stop being so horrified.
There are mental people in the world, I'm horified by how supposedly rational people believe in teachings of the Catholic church even though its plain to see the Catholic church don't follow their own guidelines.
The world is a fvcked up place, some people have crazy beliefs, best thing to do is ignore the fvck out of them if you don't like what their saying.
I know you like to point out the inaccuracies of these peoples beliefs and their attendant foibles, but seriously, just ignore them. They wont go away but at least you wont have to worry about them any more.

As for announcments about aliens being real. I'm sure it's bound to happen sometime, as for next month I'm not so sure.

Dude what's the problem?
This is a discussion forum where people express their opinions.
I'm expressing the opinion that Hoagland is a crank and I'm elaborating why I have this opinion.

What's the big deal?
And why is it the only time you post it's to talk about me?

Stainless_Steel

I think its about time....too many secrets for too long...

Why are we getting caught up on Hogland? What about the other sources? Are they nuts too? Or does proving Hogland is a nut discredit the whole article?

cable842

what if it turns out to be true and he announces this huge secret.

ufos explained

a lot of secrets explained

Stainless_Steel

Stainless_Steel wrote: »

I think its about time....too many secrets for too long...

Why are we getting caught up on Hogland? What about the other sources? Are they nuts too? Or does proving Hogland is a nut discredit the whole article?

Well considering that the article thinks Hoagland is a credible source, that he's still attached to NASA and has access to more LCROSS data than the rest of the public I think it really calls the article into question.

Diogenes

cable842 wrote: »

what if it turns out to be true and he announces this huge secret.

ufos explained

a lot of secrets explained

And what if it discovers that the moon is made of blue cheese.

There's a month which this guy will be proven right or wrong, I wonder will he recant or apologise if his claims don't come true, again.

Stainless_Steel

King Mob wrote: »

Well considering that the article thinks Hoagland is a credible source, that he's still attached to NASA and has access to more LCROSS data than the rest of the public I think it really calls the article into question.

Yes good point - but how do we know he has no access to the LCROSS project?

Bear in mind that if the 'officials' label a whistle blower as daft then it can in fact give the whistle blower credit - not discredit.

So I guess the question is - how is it proven that Hogland has no access to the LCROSS project or no information on NASA? Of course I cant prove he has....but I believe the burden of proof should be on those that discredit him.

Stainless_Steel

Stainless_Steel wrote: »

Yes good point - but how do we know he has no access to the LCROSS project?

Bear in mind that if the 'officials' label a whistle blower as daft then it can in fact give the whistle blower credit - not discredit.

So I guess the question is - how is it proven that Hogland has no access to the LCROSS project or no information on NASA? Of course I cant prove he has....but I believe the burden of proof should be on those that discredit him.

Well no, he's making the claim to have access to this info, he should prove he has it.
For example if I said I have proof of the existence of unicorns would it make sense that you would have to disprove I had proof?

How do we know he doesn't have access to the LCROSS data?
Simple, he doesn't work for or with NASA.
Why would he have access?

Stainless_Steel

King Mob wrote: »

Well no, he's making the claim to have access to this info, he should prove he has it.
For example if I said I have proof of the existence of unicorns would it make sense that you would have to disprove I had proof?

How do we know he doesn't have access to the LCROSS data?
Simple, he doesn't work for or with NASA.
Why would he have access?

You're taking it out of context - you discredited him and said he's a nut - the burden of proof is on you so.

So....you're discrediting him based on the assumption that because he doesn't work for NASA that he can't possibly have inside info?

Stainless_Steel

Stainless_Steel wrote: »

You're taking it out of context - you discredited him and said he's a nut - the burden of proof is on you so.

So the list of things that he falsely claimed or predicted not enough so?

Stainless_Steel wrote: »

So....you're discrediting him based on the assumption that because he doesn't work for NASA that he can't possibly have inside info?

No I'm saying that because he doesn't work for NASA it is unlikely that he has access to any info not available to the public.

He has offered nothing to support the idea that he has access to this info.
And based on his previous history of making stuff up, it's a fair bet he's doing the same again.

So why exactly should I have burden of proof?
Does it make sense that you would have to disprove that I have proof of the existance of unicorns?

Diogenes

Stainless_Steel wrote: »

You're taking it out of context - you discredited him and said he's a nut - the burden of proof is on you so.

The exact opposite is the case. Hoagland makes extraordinary claims and predictions, thus the burden of proof is on Hoagland. You've been shown a list of his previous lies, and falsehoods. Why should we have to prove he's lying this time? Furthermore, it's only a matter of weeks till December and Hoagland is proven to be a liar, again.

nullzero

King Mob wrote: »

Dude what's the problem?
This is a discussion forum where people express their opinions.
I'm expressing the opinion that Hoagland is a crank and I'm elaborating why I have this opinion.

What's the big deal?
And why is it the only time you post it's to talk about me?

Is it not usually more fun to discuss things you actually like rather than constantly debunking the beliefs of people who don't care what you say?
I know you love it here which is a paradox as you hate Conspiracy theories.
I like CT'S but I stopped posting here properly because you always take the piss out of evey topic and you're protected by the mods.
Basically you've turned the CT forum into the debunking with King Mob forum, which is ok in small doses but pretty damn baffling when you're at it all the time.

bonkey

King Mob and nullzero both...

if you guys want to discuss each other's motivations, take it to PM, or meet up and have a chat.

Stop derailing the thread.

Lone Stone

I seen something about this the other day. I dout it will happen but hell wouldnt it be the best new's ever ? Make all the **** that's going on seem fairly insignificant.

Also i have read about some moon base stuff before something about glass structure's, aparently if glass with no moisture in it = unbreakable **** :confused well what i read said something about it only being able to do be done in space or some **** i dunno.

mysterious

If JFK was killed to spill Cornflakes over this!


Then Obama wil not be saying this or anything. I'm not a C.T nut, skeptic or any of these labels. I have common sense to know how the power system works.


There is never going to be disclosure. Disclosure is down to you! David Wilcock tried to get sexaully excited about this disclosure aswell recently. I'm not knocking any whistleblower or any one making these claims. But all I'm going to say is, this is just nothing but wishful thinking.


People rely on corrupt people for info. Do you honestly think NASA are going to tell you the truth. The truth they have been hiding since the late 40s.


When I think back. Even Bill Clinton was a nervous wreck stating mars may have bacterial life. Shows a sample pubically from Washington. Looks like a bacteria sample, lived like one, grown like one, probably even smelt like one.

They turn around and say maybe it's bacteria.:D


The masses would then just go "oh well it's not life, we will wait until they tell us something else. NASA always does this crap. It's quite laughable to be honest. NASA and Russia have openly been gaining technology advances from other renegade E.Ts since we had the space race up and coming in the 40s. Do I need to prove this no. Do NASA need to prove this, NO. People have to first tear apart their conditioned belief system since we started a corrupt education system that does not inform us about anything that is really happening in the world. So we are the blame and we are helpless in this situation. We all have to face up to the fact at this point and realise disclousure will kept under wraps till the day we die, if we keep constantly putting our trust into this system. It's now or never!.


It's down to what your going to do. Most people don't care. So it's really uip to us whether we can handle disclosure and break up the corrupt system that does not ensure our trust.

The end!

mcmoustache

People rely on corrupt people for info. Do you honestly think NASA are going to tell you the truth. The truth they have been hiding since the late 40s.

OK. This needs to be pointed out over and over again. Conspiracies are really hard to keep secret. You only need one leak and that's it. Think Watergate or the Lewinski incident.

Working with alien technologies would involve loads of scientists, engineers, linguists and other bureaucrats. Think about the effort that would be required to get all of them to keep quiet. And no, paying them all off or threatening to kill them isn't going to cut it. Not with all of them.

If you're heading the conspiracy, you can't have even one person leak. And you have to make sure there's no leaks for up to 60 years. No selling stories to the press, no telling loved ones, no deathbed confessions, no anonymous leaking of files, no drunken ramblings, nothing.

If a government couldn't keep the embarrassments of the president secret, they have no hope of keeping a huge research project a secret.

profitius

mcmoustache wrote: »

OK. This needs to be pointed out over and over again. Conspiracies are really hard to keep secret. You only need one leak and that's it. Think Watergate or the Lewinski incident.

Working with alien technologies would involve loads of scientists, engineers, linguists and other bureaucrats. Think about the effort that would be required to get all of them to keep quiet. And no, paying them all off or threatening to kill them isn't going to cut it. Not with all of them.

If you're heading the conspiracy, you can't have even one person leak. And you have to make sure there's no leaks for up to 60 years. No selling stories to the press, no telling loved ones, no deathbed confessions, no anonymous leaking of files, no drunken ramblings, nothing.

If a government couldn't keep the embarrassments of the president secret, they have no hope of keeping a huge research project a secret.

People do talk. They are threatened with their pensions and life etc but people do talk.

The thing is that no newspapers would take them seriously and you also have a campaign to blacken their names by putting out false information etc.

People who come forward are automatically seen as being mad or delusional by most people because it goes against the beliefs of most people.

mysterious

mcmoustache wrote: »

OK. This needs to be pointed out over and over again. Conspiracies are really hard to keep secret. You only need one leak and that's it. Think Watergate or the Lewinski incident.

Working with alien technologies would involve loads of scientists, engineers, linguists and other bureaucrats. Think about the effort that would be required to get all of them to keep quiet. And no, paying them all off or threatening to kill them isn't going to cut it. Not with all of them.

If you're heading the conspiracy, you can't have even one person leak. And you have to make sure there's no leaks for up to 60 years. No selling stories to the press, no telling loved ones, no deathbed confessions, no anonymous leaking of files, no drunken ramblings, nothing.

If a government couldn't keep the embarrassments of the president secret, they have no hope of keeping a huge research project a secret.

There are whistleblowers everywhere
There are leaks everywhere
There are stories everywhere
There are evidence all over the place.

But people will only believe it if it' annonced by Al Gore, Obama, Fox new, RTE 6.1 news etc.


BTW there is great effort to keep this all quiet. It's why NASA is privately owned and ensures their scientists are paid hefty funds. I know a few people who are masons and what not. Look like normal people but they will not tell you anything they know because there life is on the line and that's the life they chosed.

Many are infact coming out now, Who were in the millitary and government speaking about this. Most of these guys are in their 70s and 80s. But so many don't come out because they will be ridiculed by the mainstream duo.

Its not a conspiracy it never was one. Just people are not open to the bigger reality outside this matrix. The Canadian government gave disclosure on alien life.


It's quite frankly hilarious that people assume none of this is going on. It's just many are not fully aware what is going on in the world around them. If you took active interest in truth seeking you will find out a lot of things. A lot!


So it's absaloutely laughable they would even call on Obama to make a public disclosure on anything.

mcmoustache

The thing is that no newspapers would take them seriously and you also have a campaign to blacken their names by putting out false information etc.

People who come forward are automatically seen as being mad or delusional by most people because it goes against the beliefs of most people.

I can't argue with the first sentence there. That's Spin 101. We all remember David Kelly and the Dodgy Dossier. That shy fellow was was accused of being a "Walter Mitty type" in a whispering campaign after he had the gall to say the dossier was "sexed up" and was subsequently found dead in a field after he supposedly topped himself with tablets. Ad hominem is par for the course in many disputes.

As for people coming forward being automatically seen as mad, well I'm not so sure. "Leak" and "Whistle Blower" have fairly positive connotations these days. People look favourably on the likes of Deep-Throat and those civil servants in Britain who leaked documents to the media. I think the general population is well aware that our governments lie to us and hide the truth. They've heard of Bertie and his faulty memory and the Brits remember WMDs. They really don't see whistle-blowers as cranks and people with an agenda.

The problem is (for me at least) is that most of the leaks regarding alien stuff (autopsies and tech) seem to be from people with a newspaper/book deal or people on the lecture circuit. That and many of them are genuinely crackers.
What I'd like to see is a leak to a reputable paper* by someone who doesn't want to be found out.

Many are infact coming out now, Who were in the millitary and government speaking about this. Most of these guys are in their 70s and 80s. But so many don't come out because they will be ridiculed by the mainstream duo.

The problem is the standard of evidence. A person's word can be anything. Documents are more reliable once authenticity can be established. A FOI request for other less sensational docs from the same period could verify those. If I'm not mistaken the British MOD has been releasing loads of this sort of stuff recently.

Its not a conspiracy it never was one. Just people are not open to the bigger reality outside this matrix. The Canadian government gave disclosure on alien life.

I had a look around the net for this info but the closest thing I could find was the release of their UFO dossiers and an interview with a dead astronaut who viewed an alien autopsy. If you have a link, it would be appreciated. If not, no worries.

It's quite frankly hilarious that people assume none of this is going on. It's just many are not fully aware what is going on in the world around them. If you took active interest in truth seeking you will find out a lot of things. A lot!

There are plenty of cover-ups. Anyone with any sense knows it because so many have been exposed in reputable papers*. That's why we have the word in our vocabulary. That doesn't mean every possible cover up is one. You need to look at the practicality of maintaining a cover-up.

For what it's worth, I do believe that advanced alien life exists outside our solar system. The universe is so vast and the same laws of physics and chemistry apply the same everywhere all the time. I just find it hard to believe that a spacecraft is going to crash here of all places or that they bugger rednecks or perform light-shows near military airbases or speak to our leaders or share technology. I think far more likely that they would exploit us or occupy our planet (Carbon DNA based life I mean).




*About newspapers: They don't cover this stuff up. They're in the money-making business and don't want to risk being scooped. They're also not afraid to pander to their respective demographics often with little regard for truth. The Mail: "random minority gets free blówjóbs", The Sun: "Kerry Katona Eats Puppys", The Mirror: "Tony Bliar Lied" etc. Whipping up a shítstorm sells. There's no "Protect the establishment" ethos there.

mysterious

mcmoustache wrote: »

As for people coming forward being automatically seen as mad, well I'm not so sure. "Leak" and "Whistle Blower" have fairly positive connotations these days. People look favourably on the likes of Deep-Throat and those civil servants in Britain who leaked documents to the media. I think the general population is well aware that our governments lie to us and hide the truth. They've heard of Bertie and his faulty memory and the Brits remember WMDs. They really don't see whistle-blowers as cranks and people with an agenda.

99% of people still don't take note of it. I know it's 2009, but I don't see people waking up this fast yet.

The problem is (for me at least) is that most of the leaks regarding alien stuff (autopsies and tech) seem to be from people with a newspaper/book deal or people on the lecture circuit. That and many of them are genuinely crackers.
What I'd like to see is a leak to a reputable paper* by someone who doesn't want to be found out.

What kind of reputable paper do you need. Why do you need someone who isn't known to tell you? E.Ts disclousure is E.T disclosure that it is E.T disclosure. I find it facinating how people still have this notion TPTB are going to allow it to be more obvious than it is. Or we need someone reliable to tell us the truth. I think the real problem here, is peoples beliefs systems. What does it take to make it more reliable. Do we just want to escape the fact this is all going on behind our noses, so it's easier to escape the fact we are been lied too.

Think about it, what if you were been lied to from the time we first invented technology on this planet. The universe has been around long before us and this worlds evolution. In this stage of the universe evolution it is impossible that we are not been affected by other life forms. Our solary system has a very active past, more than NASA will led you to believe. For real info about our solar system. You should researching Ex Nasa scientists and whistleblowers who had inside info on the going ons in Nasa. The more you look into it, the more things start to make a lot of sense. It kinda puts you into perspective realsing why the hell were we kept in the dark about things that are real as we are. "Why did we assume that Nasa were always telling us the facts" when they weren't? etc.


The positive E.T races cannot interfere with our planet until we overcome the Orion rebellion on earth. Thus meaning face our darkness and let go the reality whereby we are controlled by elites. It's about taking power back and self responsbility for our own existence. Disclosure in it's physical form will not happen till we cross this threashold. I mention this because, it's natural to ask the question why can't our parent races save us. Our job is to complete our evolution and graduate on this world. The only way we get a chance in our life time to see E.T beings in walking daylight with us, is we have to face everything that we are, and take apart every belief system we were told to believe. The key is inside us and it's dormant in our own DNA.

The problem is the standard of evidence. A person's word can be anything. Documents are more reliable once authenticity can be established. A FOI request for other less sensational docs from the same period could verify those. If I'm not mistaken the British MOD has been releasing loads of this sort of stuff recently.

The problem is our society and our belief system. Whether your aware of it or not, you are skeptical about very real things but you don't realise it, because your not familar with the unknown that has been kept from you. If a civil servant or scientist worked for the government and regulary met other E.T beings working alongside them, they wouldn't percieve it to be crazy whatsoever. They also don't need to elaborate in great detail what they experienced. People have it built into them that other life just does not interact with our world. But it's the total opposite.

I had a look around the net for this info but the closest thing I could find was the release of their UFO dossiers and an interview with a dead astronaut who viewed an alien autopsy. If you have a link, it would be appreciated. If not, no worries.

There are thousands of links on the net. Just google UFOs. Google disclosure you will have millions of conferences all over the planet. But we the people who work 9 to 5 have no idea just how widespread and spoken this is. Especially in Ireland. People assume your a crackhead if you believe in E.T life.:D

There are plenty of cover-ups. Anyone with any sense knows it because so many have been exposed in reputable papers*. That's why we have the word in our vocabulary. That doesn't mean every possible cover up is one. You need to look at the practicality of maintaining a cover-up.na

Of course I don't think you need to go overboard on this point. Anyone in this field who has their heads screwed on will be able to discern whats a cover up and what isn't. Infact if your in this field long enough, you will realise the governments do all in their power to ridicule C.Ts in the mainstream as crack heads and what not. I also found something interesting in my own findings. A lot of the whistleblowers out there who were on the ball with their infomation were deemed as crackheads. The ones that were praised and not attacked by the media were less as reliable. The logic behind this is to distract the attention from the real people who uncover the gold in this whole cover up op.

For what it's worth, I do believe that advanced alien life exists outside our solar system. The universe is so vast and the same laws of physics and chemistry apply the same everywhere all the time. I just find it hard to believe that a spacecraft is going to crash here of all places or that they bugger rednecks or perform light-shows near military airbases or speak to our leaders or share technology. I think far more likely that they would exploit us or occupy our planet (Carbon DNA based life I mean).

They exist in this solar system, if they exist out there, they exist in our own solar system. They exist on the surface they exist in the inner earth. They exist in the lower dimensions, higher dimensions, they exist in all facets of reality most of us can't read.

Why do you find it hard to believe that a spacecraft would crash here. lol It has, and it probably will again. It's not unusual.

*About newspapers: They don't cover this stuff up. They're in the money-making business and don't want to risk being scooped. They're also not afraid to pander to their respective demographics often with little regard for truth. The Mail: "random minority gets free blówjóbs", The Sun: "Kerry Katona Eats Puppys", The Mirror: "Tony Bliar Lied" etc. Whipping up a shítstorm sells. There's no "Protect the establishment" ethos there.

But people don't believe it when they read it on newspapers. I get a headache reading a newspaper now. Also you have to admit you will not find UFO reports on the Irish times or Independant. As it would tarnish their image:rolleyes:

You will see it on the 6th page of the lies of the world (sunday world) Not for the truth or genunity, for the money. So this is why people tend not to believe these reports. To a lesser agree I can understand why.


Here's a link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGyFWyNuF3s
The ex Canadian defense minister. God this man touched my soul when he went out there and spoke out for humanity.

cable842

this guy has been out since the 60s making these claims could they finally be true

mysterious

cable842 wrote: »

this guy has been out since the 60s making these claims could they finally be true

Obviously. They are thousands.


But we are like herd to the shepard. The shepard would be Washington, Vatican, world leaders, UN, The dail, The media, The science crew.


We kinda.... ya know look up to these guy's for the same simple questions about cover ups. You will not get it, and you will never get it.

So as Einstein said once, you will never fix the worlds problems by the same thoughts that created it. JFK obviously knew what Einstein meant. So did the people that shot him. Anyone with cop on would know Obama is on the bottom of power when it comes to the top/secret government. Obama cannot really say anything untill it's passed by all those above him.

I still find it funny that people are still repeating history and living this notion that these people are going to save the world and tell us E.T life exist, are we fooling ourselves or what. All the American presidents sinces the 70s have made plans to end dependancy on oil in the middleast, Not done. All said they would use solar polar and alternatives rescourses, not done. All said they would create world peace, not done. All said we will have electric cars, not done. I just can't understand why people still follow the bull****.

Obama is never going to say anything. Unless the people wake up more. This could, I mean could push them to disclose something.

steamjetjoe

I have watched alot of the Camelot projects recently. The Pete Peterson one was the most interesting one so far:eek: All in all, its basically the same info with slight variations been spewed out:(

I cant see and announcements been made regarding ET's or UFO's. All the major fantastic super duper technology that the US gov is supposed to have If they had such technologies im sure they would be putting them to good use .

mysterious

steamjetjoe wrote: »

I have watched alot of the Camelot projects recently. The Pete Peterson one was the most interesting one so far:eek: All in all, its basically the same info with slight variations been spewed out:(

I cant see and announcements been made regarding ET's or UFO's. All the major fantastic super duper technology that the US gov is supposed to have If they had such technologies im sure they would be putting them to good use .

They are and the better it becomes the more powerless we become as we give our money to these satanic systems. Nasa keep saying things like looking for ice on the moon and nonsense like that, to distract us from what they are really doing. They want to keep their space program secret and keep us guessing with all the silly reports they make public.

But there is literally millions of whistleblowers from all over the globa now speaking out and calling NASA out on their lies. NASA have been publically humilated last year for altering Mars pictures and true information about it's weather. But you will never hear it mainstream or on the screen infront of you.

It's actually scary to think of it. They really are ensuring self interests while we are treated like sheep to give them the wool they need.

The only way this stops, if we actuallly stop putting our money and time into these organisations. The high technology they are using, are been used. The CIA have been spending trillions on topsecret technology since the 40s. One guy told me that they spend millions on looking for people who have remote viewing abilities. It's a serious business. While we the people seem to laugh at these notions. Because we expect our leaders to come public about these things. But thats never going to happen.


They can't even come out and say there is life on Mars or Venus:D. heck it would be a start if Obama was given an order to tell the world they have bacterial life on it. But that would be too risky for them.

The Canadian defense ex minister is one of the only few government officials to give E.T disclosure to it's country. But we have half the world on their knees to an American president who doesn't even run the show.

cable842

seen a clip what v for vendetta there and I watched it years ago and didnt get the movie. Im sorta into politics now cause of zietgiest.

and I sort of understand what he wanted to do was tear it all down ever last bit to pieces

cable842

I do believe there is technology and they are holding back from us totally. I mean dvd player were out 10 years in china before we could by them in the shops.

thats just the tip of the iceberg I bet we'll see what happens I hope something happens and he announces something the secrets have been goin on since the 50s maybe even longer.

I hope something comes of it.

mysterious wrote: »

They are and the better it becomes the more powerless we become as we give our money to these satanic systems. Nasa keep saying things like looking for ice on the moon and nonsense like that, to distract us from what they are really doing. They want to keep their space program secret and keep us guessing with all the silly reports they make public.

But there is literally millions of whistleblowers from all over the globa now speaking out and calling NASA out on their lies. NASA have been publically humilated last year for altering Mars pictures and true information about it's weather. But you will never hear it mainstream or on the screen infront of you.

It's actually scary to think of it. They really are ensuring self interests while we are treated like sheep to give them the wool they need.

The only way this stops, if we actuallly stop putting our money and time into these organisations. The high technology they are using, are been used. The CIA have been spending trillions on topsecret technology since the 40s. One guy told me that they spend millions on looking for people who have remote viewing abilities. It's a serious business. While we the people seem to laugh at these notions. Because we expect our leaders to come public about these things. But thats never going to happen.


They can't even come out and say there is life on Mars or Venus:D. heck it would be a start if Obama was given an order to tell the world they have bacterial life on it. But that would be too risky for them.

The Canadian defense ex minister is one of the only few government officials to give E.T disclosure to it's country. But we have half the world on their knees to an American president who doesn't even run the show.

Black Uhlan

mcmoustache wrote: »

If a government couldn't keep the embarrassments of the president secret, they have no hope of keeping a huge research project a secret.

That is only if you assume the president and the government are at the pinnacle of the power structure and that it doesn't serve a greater purpose in exposing them, (or killing them).
I would suspect the greatest secrets are the ones that we could not even come close to imagining.

Undergod

cable842 wrote: »

I do believe there is technology and they are holding back from us totally. I mean dvd player were out 10 years in china before we could by them in the shops.

Were they?

mysterious

The powers of be are "reacting"

CNN are now broadcasting a few clips here and there pushing the notion forward of evidence and proof, pictures from government source pictures. But again no actual Obama saying yes we have been dancing with Aliens on the moon. Just bush dancing with the South Americans or something..:D Oh that was funny. But on topic.


The Vatican are now raising the question of life out there (cough cough) They know it already, but the secrets are out and they need to say something to keep people rolling.

What are your thoughts. Do you think the powers of be are up to something. I feel it is so, but its going to be interesting to say the least.


6th I was at the paranormal convention really good. I have to give it to you on that. Did you check out Sweep the UFO guy?

Lone Stone

So its the 27th and nothing happened aww i was getting kinda excited.

DigiGal

Still no aliens

Lone Stone

We still have each other digigal (O_O)

Mac daddy

December, little bird told me it will be after Osama Barrack Obama accepts his false award this month.

phantom_lord

well that was disappointing

humanji

phantom_lord wrote: »

well that was disappointing

Well the article says that it's timed to coincide with his Nobel Peace Prize on Dec 10th. So there's still time.