People rely on corrupt people for info. Do you honestly think NASA are going to tell you the truth. The truth they have been hiding since the late 40s.
mcmoustache wrote: » OK. This needs to be pointed out over and over again. Conspiracies are really hard to keep secret. You only need one leak and that's it. Think Watergate or the Lewinski incident. Working with alien technologies would involve loads of scientists, engineers, linguists and other bureaucrats. Think about the effort that would be required to get all of them to keep quiet. And no, paying them all off or threatening to kill them isn't going to cut it. Not with all of them. If you're heading the conspiracy, you can't have even one person leak. And you have to make sure there's no leaks for up to 60 years. No selling stories to the press, no telling loved ones, no deathbed confessions, no anonymous leaking of files, no drunken ramblings, nothing. If a government couldn't keep the embarrassments of the president secret, they have no hope of keeping a huge research project a secret.
The thing is that no newspapers would take them seriously and you also have a campaign to blacken their names by putting out false information etc. People who come forward are automatically seen as being mad or delusional by most people because it goes against the beliefs of most people.
Many are infact coming out now, Who were in the millitary and government speaking about this. Most of these guys are in their 70s and 80s. But so many don't come out because they will be ridiculed by the mainstream duo.
Its not a conspiracy it never was one. Just people are not open to the bigger reality outside this matrix. The Canadian government gave disclosure on alien life.
It's quite frankly hilarious that people assume none of this is going on. It's just many are not fully aware what is going on in the world around them. If you took active interest in truth seeking you will find out a lot of things. A lot!
mcmoustache wrote: » As for people coming forward being automatically seen as mad, well I'm not so sure. "Leak" and "Whistle Blower" have fairly positive connotations these days. People look favourably on the likes of Deep-Throat and those civil servants in Britain who leaked documents to the media. I think the general population is well aware that our governments lie to us and hide the truth. They've heard of Bertie and his faulty memory and the Brits remember WMDs. They really don't see whistle-blowers as cranks and people with an agenda.
The problem is (for me at least) is that most of the leaks regarding alien stuff (autopsies and tech) seem to be from people with a newspaper/book deal or people on the lecture circuit. That and many of them are genuinely crackers. What I'd like to see is a leak to a reputable paper* by someone who doesn't want to be found out.
The problem is the standard of evidence. A person's word can be anything. Documents are more reliable once authenticity can be established. A FOI request for other less sensational docs from the same period could verify those. If I'm not mistaken the British MOD has been releasing loads of this sort of stuff recently.
I had a look around the net for this info but the closest thing I could find was the release of their UFO dossiers and an interview with a dead astronaut who viewed an alien autopsy. If you have a link, it would be appreciated. If not, no worries.
There are plenty of cover-ups. Anyone with any sense knows it because so many have been exposed in reputable papers*. That's why we have the word in our vocabulary. That doesn't mean every possible cover up is one. You need to look at the practicality of maintaining a cover-up.na
For what it's worth, I do believe that advanced alien life exists outside our solar system. The universe is so vast and the same laws of physics and chemistry apply the same everywhere all the time. I just find it hard to believe that a spacecraft is going to crash here of all places or that they bugger rednecks or perform light-shows near military airbases or speak to our leaders or share technology. I think far more likely that they would exploit us or occupy our planet (Carbon DNA based life I mean).
*About newspapers: They don't cover this stuff up. They're in the money-making business and don't want to risk being scooped. They're also not afraid to pander to their respective demographics often with little regard for truth. The Mail: "random minority gets free blówjóbs", The Sun: "Kerry Katona Eats Puppys", The Mirror: "Tony Bliar Lied" etc. Whipping up a shítstorm sells. There's no "Protect the establishment" ethos there.
cable842 wrote: » this guy has been out since the 60s making these claims could they finally be true
steamjetjoe wrote: » I have watched alot of the Camelot projects recently. The Pete Peterson one was the most interesting one so far:eek: All in all, its basically the same info with slight variations been spewed out:( I cant see and announcements been made regarding ET's or UFO's. All the major fantastic super duper technology that the US gov is supposed to have If they had such technologies im sure they would be putting them to good use .
mysterious wrote: » They are and the better it becomes the more powerless we become as we give our money to these satanic systems. Nasa keep saying things like looking for ice on the moon and nonsense like that, to distract us from what they are really doing. They want to keep their space program secret and keep us guessing with all the silly reports they make public. But there is literally millions of whistleblowers from all over the globa now speaking out and calling NASA out on their lies. NASA have been publically humilated last year for altering Mars pictures and true information about it's weather. But you will never hear it mainstream or on the screen infront of you. It's actually scary to think of it. They really are ensuring self interests while we are treated like sheep to give them the wool they need. The only way this stops, if we actuallly stop putting our money and time into these organisations. The high technology they are using, are been used. The CIA have been spending trillions on topsecret technology since the 40s. One guy told me that they spend millions on looking for people who have remote viewing abilities. It's a serious business. While we the people seem to laugh at these notions. Because we expect our leaders to come public about these things. But thats never going to happen. They can't even come out and say there is life on Mars or Venus:D. heck it would be a start if Obama was given an order to tell the world they have bacterial life on it. But that would be too risky for them. The Canadian defense ex minister is one of the only few government officials to give E.T disclosure to it's country. But we have half the world on their knees to an American president who doesn't even run the show.
mcmoustache wrote: » If a government couldn't keep the embarrassments of the president secret, they have no hope of keeping a huge research project a secret.
cable842 wrote: » I do believe there is technology and they are holding back from us totally. I mean dvd player were out 10 years in china before we could by them in the shops.
phantom_lord wrote: » well that was disappointing
humanji wrote: » Well the article says that it's timed to coincide with his Nobel Peace Prize on Dec 10th. So there's still time.
mysterious wrote: » It just goes to show that the real motive behind all of this, is they are trying to hide the bigger things by keep us distracted by these things and waiting for any proper disclosure.
mysterious wrote: » There are whistleblowers everywhere There are leaks everywhere There are stories everywhere There are evidence all over the place. But people will only believe it if it' annonced by Al Gore, Obama, Fox new, RTE 6.1 news etc. BTW there is great effort to keep this all quiet. It's why NASA is privately owned and ensures their scientists are paid hefty funds. I know a few people who are masons and what not. Look like normal people but they will not tell you anything they know because there life is on the line and that's the life they chosed. Many are infact coming out now, Who were in the millitary and government speaking about this. Most of these guys are in their 70s and 80s. But so many don't come out because they will be ridiculed by the mainstream duo. Its not a conspiracy it never was one. Just people are not open to the bigger reality outside this matrix. The Canadian government gave disclosure on alien life. It's quite frankly hilarious that people assume none of this is going on. It's just many are not fully aware what is going on in the world around them. If you took active interest in truth seeking you will find out a lot of things. A lot! So it's absaloutely laughable they would even call on Obama to make a public disclosure on anything.
mysterious wrote: » 99% of people still don't take note of it. I know it's 2009, but I don't see people waking up this fast yet. What kind of reputable paper do you need. Why do you need someone who isn't known to tell you? E.Ts disclousure is E.T disclosure that it is E.T disclosure. I find it facinating how people still have this notion TPTB are going to allow it to be more obvious than it is. Or we need someone reliable to tell us the truth. I think the real problem here, is peoples beliefs systems. What does it take to make it more reliable. Do we just want to escape the fact this is all going on behind our noses, so it's easier to escape the fact we are been lied too. Think about it, what if you were been lied to from the time we first invented technology on this planet. The universe has been around long before us and this worlds evolution. In this stage of the universe evolution it is impossible that we are not been affected by other life forms. Our solary system has a very active past, more than NASA will led you to believe. For real info about our solar system. You should researching Ex Nasa scientists and whistleblowers who had inside info on the going ons in Nasa. The more you look into it, the more things start to make a lot of sense. It kinda puts you into perspective realsing why the hell were we kept in the dark about things that are real as we are. "Why did we assume that Nasa were always telling us the facts" when they weren't? etc. The positive E.T races cannot interfere with our planet until we overcome the Orion rebellion on earth. Thus meaning face our darkness and let go the reality whereby we are controlled by elites. It's about taking power back and self responsbility for our own existence. Disclosure in it's physical form will not happen till we cross this threashold. I mention this because, it's natural to ask the question why can't our parent races save us. Our job is to complete our evolution and graduate on this world. The only way we get a chance in our life time to see E.T beings in walking daylight with us, is we have to face everything that we are, and take apart every belief system we were told to believe. The key is inside us and it's dormant in our own DNA. The problem is our society and our belief system. Whether your aware of it or not, you are skeptical about very real things but you don't realise it, because your not familar with the unknown that has been kept from you. If a civil servant or scientist worked for the government and regulary met other E.T beings working alongside them, they wouldn't percieve it to be crazy whatsoever. They also don't need to elaborate in great detail what they experienced. People have it built into them that other life just does not interact with our world. But it's the total opposite. There are thousands of links on the net. Just google UFOs. Google disclosure you will have millions of conferences all over the planet. But we the people who work 9 to 5 have no idea just how widespread and spoken this is. Especially in Ireland. People assume your a crackhead if you believe in E.T life.:D Of course I don't think you need to go overboard on this point. Anyone in this field who has their heads screwed on will be able to discern whats a cover up and what isn't. Infact if your in this field long enough, you will realise the governments do all in their power to ridicule C.Ts in the mainstream as crack heads and what not. I also found something interesting in my own findings. A lot of the whistleblowers out there who were on the ball with their infomation were deemed as crackheads. The ones that were praised and not attacked by the media were less as reliable. The logic behind this is to distract the attention from the real people who uncover the gold in this whole cover up op. They exist in this solar system, if they exist out there, they exist in our own solar system. They exist on the surface they exist in the inner earth. They exist in the lower dimensions, higher dimensions, they exist in all facets of reality most of us can't read. Why do you find it hard to believe that a spacecraft would crash here. lol It has, and it probably will again. It's not unusual. But people don't believe it when they read it on newspapers. I get a headache reading a newspaper now. Also you have to admit you will not find UFO reports on the Irish times or Independant. As it would tarnish their image:rolleyes: You will see it on the 6th page of the lies of the world (sunday world) Not for the truth or genunity, for the money. So this is why people tend not to believe these reports. To a lesser agree I can understand why. Here's a link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGyFWyNuF3sThe ex Canadian defense minister. God this man touched my soul when he went out there and spoke out for humanity.
hope to live wrote: » Dear mysterious, Hello ,I've read many of your posts which leads me to believe you know what you are talking about. Your posts stand out amongs all others .I mean the quality of what you are saying is high. it seems to me you know a lot. How do you get info? internet? could you recommend some reliable source.I am new to all this . Many thanks
Mac daddy wrote: » December, little bird told me it will be after Osama Barrack Obama accepts his false award this month.
Flamed Diving wrote: » Wrong again, boys. Wrong again.
-JammyDodger- wrote: » Well, he does have four days left to do it in: it was said he'd do it before he accepts his Nobel prize. I obviously still can't see it happening, though. So, this thread has four days of life left...
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