The whole ubuntu thing...

dlofnep

Herbal Deity wrote: »

It's not a very small number of cases at all, it's quite a large number of cases and one of the main reasons why a linux distro simply cannot, at present, even begin to compete with Windows or Mac in any real sense.

I used to buy a lot of the rhetoric which made use of words like "corporate" and "marketing" in a negative manner, but I don't really buy it anymore. If Ubuntu had full support for a wide range of the latest games, decent music production software, decent video editing software etc. and a new laptop cost less with it on it than to buy one with Windows, you can bet that a lot of people would opt for it.

Cinelerra and lives are pretty good for video editing. You can't really compare a free, open-source application to something like Adobe Premier or Final Cut which cost €100's to buy. But for free - if you compare against the free software for Windows like Movie Maker, it blows it out of the water.

Linux is a budget man's developer. The possibilities are endless. But of course, Windows does somethings better - but for a price.

dlofnep

Naikon wrote: »

True. More support is great for the community as we know.
My ideal future for Linux is that it will cater for all groups combined.

The nerdy image of Linux is being slowly thrashed by Ubuntu.
I feel this is a great step forward. Ubuntu is an excellent distro.

@Slackware - simplicity is key. I like the fact they are not
using any old trendy web tech to tarnish the look. Oldschool:D

Oh yeah - of course I just find it amusing that some things still haven't changed. I still have Slackware 8.0 on disk here, so that shows how long ago I've used it.

Naikon

Herbal Deity wrote: »

It's not a very small number of cases at all, it's quite a large number of cases and one of the main reasons why a linux distro simply cannot, at present, even begin to compete with Windows or Mac in any real sense.

I used to buy a lot of the rhetoric which made use of words like "corporate" and "marketing" in a negative manner, but I don't really buy it anymore. If Ubuntu had full support for a wide range of the latest games, decent music production software, decent video editing software etc. and a new laptop cost less with it on it than to buy one with Windows, you can bet that a lot of people would opt for it.

It's a case of the classic chicken and the egg scenario.

Ubuntu is moving in the right direction in that when it becomes
large enough for the corporate boffins to notice, more apps will come.

I fully accept that Linux is limited when it comes to closed apps, but
this is not a fault of the community. Greater usage == more commercial support!

You can expect more applications in the future. I use closed source apps
already on Linux systems. This can only increase with Ubuntu.

@dlofnep - yep, Pat is pretty hesitant towards new stuff.

I like the joke where it states "Slackware, the best 1995 has to offer".
Works like a charm for me, but I accept it is deffo a niche distro.

dlofnep

My old Linux & Unix Collection.

Mandrake 7.2 (Bought boxed set), Slackware 8.0, FreeBSD 5.0

ntlbell

Naikon wrote: »

I laugh when people brandish the Linux community as a bunch of
useless knobs, when only a minority of such people exist.

Try dealing with the *BSD or Solaris Unix communities:pac:

I can't speak for the Solaris communites but I have a lot of exp with FreeBSD, the only difference is really they expect not to spoon feed people which is fine.

They're there to help you help yourself not just blindly answer every question, which helps everyone.

some people precive this as being arragont, others recognize it for what it and are happy to put a bit of effort in, you know, like spending 5 mins reading a man page

Naikon

ntlbell wrote: »

I can't speak for the Solaris communites but I have a lot of exp with FreeBSD, the only difference is really they expect not to spoon feed people which is fine.

They're there to help you help yourself not just blindly answer every question, which helps everyone.

some people precive this as being arragont, others recognize it for what it and are happy to put a bit of effort in, you know, like spending 5 mins reading a man page

I agree fully. I always research stuff before posting on the FreeBSD/Daemon forums.
It's just they are less tolerant of "firefox is crashing" "how do I do x" ect.

The people on both forums are very friendly provided you work a bit.
Damn, now I am paraphrasing what you said to me...

All in all, they really don't care about evangelizing the OS's which is
good. Market share really isn't a concern. My NAT box is OpenBSD 4.5
and runs solidly despite the fact OpenBSD is a small dedicated community:cool:

ntlbell

Naikon wrote: »

I agree fully. I always research stuff before posting on the FreeBSD/Daemon forums.
It's just they are less tolerant of "firefox is crashing" "how do I do x" ect.

The people on both forums are very friendly provided you work a bit.
Damn, now I am paraphrasing what you said to me...

All in all, they really don't care about evangelizing the OS's which is
good. Market share really isn't a concern. My NAT box is OpenBSD 4.5
and runs solidly despite the fact OpenBSD is a small dedicated community:cool:

Yup,

The OpenBSD community is a great example actually.

harsh but fair

Naikon

ntlbell wrote: »

Yup,

The OpenBSD community is a great example actually.

harsh but fair

What Theo de Raadt says, is NOT questioned:D

The fact they don't allow any blob drivers in the codebase is actually
pretty commendable from a security point of view. Highly usable system.

ntlbell

Naikon wrote: »

What Theo de Raadt says, is NOT questioned:D

The fact they don't allow any blob drivers in the codebase is actually
pretty commendable from a security point of view. Highly usable system.

If you look at the amount of commits that guy does, very hard to question