Joe Coleman rollcall for Knock Sat 31st Oct

fatmammycat

Okay, not content with a no show at the last Knock meet up of the deluded, sorry, faithful (and no, the sun going behind the clouds and coming back out is NOT a miracle because if it was then there are miracles going on in my garden right this second) Joe Coleman, 'honest and humble man with a just little healing room' and BFF of the Mary Mother of God, has claimed on Newstalk a few minutes ago that she absolutely will turn up this Saturday in Knock ( 31st Oct). He also claimed there were 'cures' the last day, no mention of who was cured and of what of course, but he was not challenged on this, as he never is.


As I have said before, if this actually happens and Mary turns up, I will drop to my knees, renounce my atheism and become a holy roller. But if she doesn't- and I am not a betting woman but I would bet on her not- do you think people will see this man for the fraud he is or will the goal-posts be moved once again?

MrPudding

Obviously they will see him for the fraud he is.. oh no, wait...

MrP

fatmammycat

* eyes up plot of land for grotto building*
Wait, Mr Pudding, you doubt the holy Joe? But he's on a direct line. And he's just so humble, he doesn't even have a car, he had to use a train to go to Knock! He's hates the media intrusion, even though he had to give intervews to Newstalk and various newspapers.

Panrich

fatmammycat wrote: »

he had to use a train to go to Knock!

Now that's a miracle in itself.

fisgon

The interesting thing about this is that the parish priest is feeling threatened by this and urging people to ignore Coleman, obviously scared of losing control. and Coleman is in turn condemning the clergy for not having faith. As is happening ever more frequently it is now the lay faithful that are the real danger to sanity and rationality in this country, it's the non-priests that are in the vanguard of deluded scary Catholicism at the moment.

Permabear

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Bigdeadlydave

I dont understand why people have to mock what others believe in. So what if people believe that there will be apparitions?

robindch

Bigdeadlydave wrote: »

I dont understand why people have to mock what others believe in.

It's only mocking if people are being intentionally offensive.

If you ask, I think you'll find that people here are just having a good giggle at something that really is splendidly silly.

Bigdeadlydave

Perhaps Belittle would have been a better choice of words.

fatmammycat

Oh please, if I went to a site where the believers were wittering on about the 'visions' and said, 'look you're all eegits and you're wrong and suffering from mass hysteria' THAT would be belittling them. Wondering on an atheist forum why Joe Coleman is allowed make unsubstantiated claims about visions that no one really saw, virgins that don't appear and cures that there is no record of, in the Irish media and why there is absolutely NO evidence of a miracle is hardly belittling.
It always amuses me that people are quick to play the victimised card when there is religion involved. If a group of people claim they saw the Loch Ness Monster in Knock, but could provide no evidence other than a mobile phone shot of a lake, would you be so quick to go defend the horde? No? Well then what's different this time?

Dades

Bigdeadlydave - it's not as if we're out there with placards.

Zillah

Bigdeadlydave wrote: »

I dont understand why people have to mock what others believe in. So what if people believe that there will be apparitions?

Bigdeadlydave wrote: »

Perhaps Belittle would have been a better choice of words.

Because it is monumentally stupid and ridiculous.

Goduznt Xzst

Bigdeadlydave wrote: »

Perhaps Belittle would have been a better choice of words.

nah, belittle is the wrong word. It assumes the subject matter is taken seriously enough to actually be reduced. In regards to this topic that is categorically impossible.

If anything, I feel we are being far too forgiving by referring to it as "monumentally stupid and ridiculous". You could say we are giving an embellished and flattering account of these apparitions.

fatmammycat

The fact that no virgin appeared seems to have escaped everyone who was at Knock the last day. Sunshine? That's the miracle? I know it's Ireland but come on!
Joe Coleman is a disgusting fraud who believes the 'lost city of Atlanta will rise in 2012' http://ballyer.net/2007/12/no-ordinary-joe/and used to be a clairvoyant and trapped spirit releaser, ( guffaws) until it made more fiscal sense for him to move into healing ( even over the phone ! Hurrah!) and from there a quick hop skip and a jump to getting messages from a dead woman.

He is allowed spew his drivel all over the Irish media unchallenged and unchecked and without having to verify a single word. http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/features/2009/1028/1224257549789.html I believe it is only right and proper that he is denounced. I can imagine this 'humble' huckster is going to make a fortune over the next year or two 'healing' the gullible and the desperate.

(I particularly liked this 'humble' man's dig at the Bishop- his open critic- 'hiding behind his big gates in his big house' oh yes, this humble man of de people is just like us. Poor thing, every 'reluctant' interview he gives is more carefully canny than the last. No manipulation there folks, oh no.)

ironingbored

fatmammycat wrote: »

Oh please, if I we went to a site where the believers were wittering on about the 'visions' and said, 'look you're all eegits and you're wrong and suffering from mass hysteria

Sounds like a great idea!

fatmammycat

Heh, nah, I wouldn't, but I just dislike this kind of fraud. He has a clinic in Ballyfermot, makes a FORTUNE 'doing' healing, uses the exact lines that other eegit Lorna Byrne and every other mumbo jumbo snake oil salesman uses.
'saw spirits a child' check,
'developed gift' check,
uses angels' check,
'communicates with animals' check,
is humble, yet media savvy 'check'
I mean, seriously, I should make up a bingo chart for frauds. Actually I think I will.

http://www.kerrytown-apparitions.com/

Goduznt Xzst

fatmammycat wrote: »

'lost city of Atlanta will rise in 2012'

Hold the phones :eek: when did we lose Atlanta?

fatmammycat

Hah, oops,:o sorry, Atlantis!

robindch

fatmammycat wrote: »

I mean, seriously, I should make up a bingo chart for frauds. Actually I think I will.

Try Carl Sagan's Baloney Detection Kit:

http://www.xenu.net/archive/baloney_detection.html

Though I think Bullshit Bingo is a better term.

Blackhorse Slim

Where can I get a virgin Mary costume?

Dades

You could dress up as a tree stump? :pac:

Permabear

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Blackhorse Slim

That will do. Should I shave the beard first?

eightyfish

Until recently, he described himself as a clairvoyant. He now prefers the term “spiritual healer”, and claims to be able to cure people of various illnesses. “People come to me for all sorts of ailments. They could have cancer, arthritis, MS – all sorts of things. Healing comes out of my hands. I pray over people on the phone. I cure them,” he says.

This is the only bit that matters. Anyone who cons vulnerable and gravely ill people into paying them for spiritual healing is a cretin. Having him on the radio just gives him a bigger audience of people to take advantage of. 5,000 people gathered last time? Good ol' Ireland.

fatmammycat

To be fair eighty fish, I doubt there were too many there for 'humble' Joe's waffle, a goodly number were going there anyway for some other religious thing or other, and the rest were travellers.
But as to the rest, indeed and spot on.

Galvasean

Blackhorse Slim wrote: »

Where can I get a virgin Mary costume?

Depends, do you want a historically accurate costume which no one will recognise?
Or do you want to dress as a milky white blonde chick in a hood, which is wrong, but recognisable?

Actually....



How she remained a virgin in that part of the world, at that point in time, looking like THAT is one of the great mysteries.

dvpower

Bigdeadlydave wrote: »

I dont understand why people have to mock what others believe in. So what if people believe that there will be apparitions?

That wasn't mockery. This is mockery

dvpower

Galvasean wrote: »

Depends, do you want a historically accurate costume which no one will recognise?
Or do you want to dress as a milky white blonde chick in a hood, which is wrong, but recognisable?

Actually....



How she remained a virgin in that part of the world, at that point in time, looking like THAT is one of the great mysteries.

If she appears in Knock this weekend, I'm rejoining the church.

furiousox

fatmammycat wrote: »

The fact that no virgin appeared seems to have escaped everyone who was at Knock the last day

l think you'll find there were virgins there that day, hundreds of them in fact, and a lot of them were probably called mary...and brigid...and una and concepta ! :pac:

robindch

dvpower wrote: »

If she appears in Knock this weekend, I'm rejoining the church.

No doubt, just in time for the second coming.

Kristopherus

furiousox wrote: »

l think you'll find there were virgins there that day, hundreds of them in fact, and a lot of them were probably called mary...and brigid...and una and concepta ! :pac:

There were fcuk all virgins there. There are fcuk all virgins anywhere :D:D

Galvasean

robindch wrote: »

No doubt, just in time for the second coming.

What have I created...

Beeker

Just heard on the news that people are gathering at Knock today to see an apparition of Mary at 3 this afternoon. what the hell is going on with people? What will they have to say when nothing happens.
Anyone know who the idiot is that is claiming he knows this will happen?

eoin5

dahdahnana News Headline! Knockites to Force-Blind Children!

Dades

Beeker's new thread on this merged with the existing one.

Panrich

I see from the thread list that 'Mary at Knock' has moved already.

Shouldn't have long to wait now.

Beeker

2009 and we still have people who would rather find confort from crack pots and fairytales then know the truth about the universe. It makes me weep with frustration:(

Turtwig

Beeker wrote: »

2009 and we still have people who would rather find confort from crack pots and fairytales then know the truth about the universe. It makes me weep with frustration:(

*Feels your pain*

furiousox

Won't be long now...lights go down, mary waiting nervously backstage ("what is no-one shows up?" etc)

A pat on the back from joe and then....


"MA-RY!"
"MA-RY!"
"MA-RY!"

Rock and Rolllllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Beeker

furiousox wrote: »

Won't be long now...lights go down, mary waiting nervously backstage ("what is no-one shows up?" etc)

A pat on the back from joe and then....


"MA-RY!"
"MA-RY!"
"MA-RY!"

Rock and Rolllllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:D:D

fatmammycat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGJC1pM54EQ

Clear, concise non hysterical clip of the last no show. This is ridiculous. Listen to the old boy in the background trying to convince people he can see 'something'.

Turtwig

What's even more hysterical is that so many people will die today, some needlessly, and a bunch of hippies in Knock will come away convinced thinking that a miracle happened before their very eyes. Oh the delusion!

sold

Guys, come on, of course its a ary!, Who else could make the sun Shrine in Mayo!. I means there is pertetual rain here.

On serious note... If you look long an hard and any object believeing in somthing your mind will always find a reason to think something miraculous is there, faces in trees,on walls. But the accounts of the original appartition in Knock the people say the same vision for a prolonged time and it was conclusive something had appeared. Today all people are going to see (and I am posting at 11:54) is (maybe.//) the sun shining, and if you look at it long enought it will move and dance, thats it. I am more prophet than this charlaton. I do believe in Knock, just not in the Coleman Clairvoyant who charges 50 euros per 10 minute reading.. If he REALLY believed why the high rates??....

lugha

sold wrote: »

Today all people are going to see (and I am posting at 11:54) is (maybe.//) the sun shining, and if you look at it long enought it will move and dance, thats it.

Maybe not. If some of us got our skates on and headed for Knock land, how hard would it be to project an image of Satan or some such on to a gable wall. I mean Joe gave us dates and times. He is practically asking that someone pull such a stroke ... unless he has something similar planned himself! :eek:

pH

Or someone could just dress up, but that wouldn't work would it they'd stick out like a sore thumb .... oh wait what's today???!!!!!!! The man's a frickin GENIUS!

Akrasia

Bigdeadlydave wrote: »

I dont understand why people have to mock what others believe in. So what if people believe that there will be apparitions?

There are going to be families there today, with parents urging their children to stare at the sun.

I hope nobody goes blind or suffers permanent sight damage.

robby^5

sold wrote: »

But the accounts of the original appartition in Knock the people say the same vision for a prolonged time and it was conclusive something had appeared.

Well they all say they saw something, that's about all that's conclusive about the apparitions at Knock.

It was either deception or delusion, of which there is a case for both.

Akrasia

sold wrote: »

I do believe in Knock, just not in the Coleman Clairvoyant who charges 50 euros per 10 minute reading.. If he REALLY believed why the high rates??....

Why do you believe in Knock, a 'vision' seen by 2 people and a 'glow' apparently seen by a farmer a long distance away, but you don't believe in the current 'appiritions that dozens of people would swear blind to have witnessed?

What's the substnative difference that makes you believe in one 'miracle' but not the others? (other than the existence of cameras to verify that the current events are a load or rubbish)

Turtwig

It's called exposure something or something???

Basically the human mind is prone to accepting things it is already familiar with. The story of Knock is familiar to all of us and we were brought up accepting it as the truth, therefore we find it harder to deny. The same thing kinda goes for Mr Coleman, most Catholics in Ireland have accepted, subconsciously at least, that most apparitions in the present day are nonsense and thus they tend to deny any thing that challenges that principle. Whereas the story of Knock being familiar to them is one that is harder to reject and ignore evidence or no evidence. What this means is that in a 100 or so years time, the kids of the people who 'witnessed' Coleman's event will easily believe that it happened but if another 'JColeman' was to come along and make another prediction for a then future apparition the vast majority would not believe it.

Edit : <removed link. nope that not it either..:(>

5uspect

Ooh it's almost time!
This should be fun.

Beeker

Wait for it!!!!