New BMW Pricing Released

-Chris-

http://www.bmw.ie/ie/en/insights/news/BMW_Pricelist_2010.html

3-Series from €32k
3-Series Coupe from €40k
5-Series from €40k

I'm not a BMW fan, but you gotta say these prices are pretty damn sharp...

Any takers?

Berty

How is the spec though?

Have they upspec'd like Audi?

I must say I would like a 3 Series M or a Audi A4 S-line so now there is not much between them.

Tough times ahead Chris for those who went for Audi on Spec and away from BMW on price.

EDIT There is only 4580 between the 320d and the 520d M Sport. Small difference really considering the gap between an A4 and an A6 S-Line €6200

-Chris-

It seems like, the longer you wait the cheaper cars get!

bazz26

I'd feel pretty gutted though if I had bought a new one this year.

Berty

bazz26 wrote: »

I'd feel pretty gutted though if I had bought a new one this year.

Same argument on the Audi price list thread.

Terrible shame. Thank yourself that you didn't buy a Porsche. They dropped by around €25k!!! :eek:

-Chris-

That's the problem with this race to the bottom - if you bought a 3-Series coupe or 5 -Series earlier this year, you lost €6k at lunchtime today!

Blitzkrieger

I've been looking at beamers lately, even considering buying one with the fuel of the devil, a 320d, but I'm put off by how common they are. They're everywhere you look now. I passed three cars waiting to turn into a housing estate near home yesterday and they were all 3-series. It's such a cliche - a 3/4-bed semi in the 'burbs and a 3-series. With those prices, I could probably stretch to a new one. How much more common will they be now?

TheBazman

I feel poorer already! In fairness any BMW owners including myself shouldn't feel too bad given it's the cost to change that's important.

BlackWizard

Between AUDI and BMW price drops we are assured of a future with more cocks on the road. :pac:

Tipsy Mac

Lads I think current owners who change every year should see this as bad news, for every other owner its great news, in 2 or 3 years time the new car they are trading too will be cheaper and the depreciation on their own is minimal.

TheBazman

Looks like there are some chunky changes. M3 coupe 96k - this must be at least 15k lower.

O7Pat

anyone know what "highline" adds.

It gives an explanation for business edition (which seems a good option for the price) but I can't see one for highline.

Berty

M5 was 156K

Now

125K

:eek:

Gumbo

-Chris- wrote: »

http://www.bmw.ie/ie/en/insights/news/BMW_Pricelist_2010.html

3-Series from €32k
3-Series Coupe from €40k
5-Series from €40k

I'm not a BMW fan, but you gotta say these prices are pretty damn sharp...

Any takers?

but when you look at the OTR prices, they start at 33,500 euro.
nice prices though, the 123d looks interesting :cool:

-Chris-

But all those OTR prices are pre-negotiation, so they're not accurate either...

ninty9er

It'll be interesting to see what the big players like Ford, Toyota and Opel do in response...Avensis €26k, 3 Series €32k... it'd make you think twice. Accord €32.5k, 3 Series €32k I think the Renault "scrappage prices" are going to have to become list prices and the same across the market.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Great, 8k instantly wiped off the value of my car, cheers BMW for that, signed your loyal customer.

MarkN

I thought the BMW M3 was now 130,000 big ones due to VRT changes? So post drop that's a 36,000 reduction?

Kehlani Poor Matte

Kehlani Poor Matte wrote: »

Great, 8k instantly wiped off the value of my car, cheers BMW for that, signed your loyal customer.

ouch.. :eek:

Gumbo

-Chris- wrote: »

But all those OTR prices are pre-negotiation, so they're not accurate either...

cool, thanks Chris

jhegarty

Good god , that's cheap.

My exisiting 3 series was paid off 2 weeks ago, why oh why did I open this thread.

Voodoomelon

730d is also 22k cheaper. Serious drops.

Zonda999

:eek:

Lads the X1 18d SE is coming in at under €34k!

I suspect that will be a success, a soft roader(Just like an X5 loike!:)) BMW for under 34k! thats nearly within reach of your average Cashcow buyer!:eek:

The nearly identical in size X3 18d SE is nearly 10k€ more and is 2 bands higher for road tax!

Mr Benevolent

Blitzkrieger wrote: »

I've been looking at beamers lately, even considering buying one with the fuel of the devil, a 320d, but I'm put off by how common they are. They're everywhere you look now. I passed three cars waiting to turn into a housing estate near home yesterday and they were all 3-series. It's such a cliche - a 3/4-bed semi in the 'burbs and a 3-series. With those prices, I could probably stretch to a new one. How much more common will they be now?

Uh, that's because they're not a status symbol any more. If you want exclusivity your budget will have stretch to an M6 I'm afraid.

rabbitinlights

Do you think this will effect 2nd hand BMW's that are 6-8 years old?

I'm looking at a 2002 520i..... could you use this as a bargaining tool?

Seth Brundle

There should be a ripple effect alright

.Longshanks.

Zonda999 wrote: »

:eek:

Lads the X1 18d SE is coming in at under €34k!

I suspect that will be a success, a soft roader(Just like an X5 loike!:)) BMW for under 34k! thats nearly within reach of your average Cashcow buyer!:eek:

The nearly identical in size X3 18d SE is nearly 10k€ more and is 2 bands higher for road tax!

Yeah, but would ya? It's a horrid looking thing!

vectra

118D Sport Coupe coming in at under 30k :eek:
Tempting

copacetic

interesting on that list that the emissions on a 325i auto have gone up putting it into the €630 tax band and I guess into the higher VRT band now too. Unusual.

Otherwise its good to see prices come down, still not really competitive with bringing in a 6-12 month old model from UK though.

The X1 is a good deal imo, they are really nice in the flesh, it's just a bigish hatchback, think of it like that and it's competitive. Would imagine we will see a lot of them on the road at that kind of price

Zonda999

Longshanks100 wrote: »

Yeah, but would ya? It's a horrid looking thing!

Would I, certainly not no, but i imagine loads of people would. It is probably as practical as a 3 series after all

Wouldnt call it a horrid looking thing either tbh, Its a hell of a lot better than the X3 anyway dont you think?

Coming back to the status symbol thing mentioned earlier in the thread, i think for around that budget this would, in many people's eyes(I'm talking about people who dont have a clue about cars but would love a bmw) be a better status symbol than a 3 series saloon

copacetic wrote: »

The X1 is a good deal imo, they are really nice in the flesh, it's just a bigish hatchback, think of it like that and it's competitive. Would imagine we will see a lot of them on the road at that kind of price

Would like to see what an actual 34k€ one looks like though, I imagine there'd only be 16" rims on it. It certainly looks alright with 19's or whatever on it

EDIT: Had a look on the car configurator on bmw.ie and turns there are 17" rims as as standard with it costing about 800€ minimum to upgrade to 18's

copacetic

Zonda999 wrote: »

Would I, certainly not no, but i imagine loads of people would. It is probably as practical as a 3 series after all

Wouldnt call it a horrid looking thing either tbh, Its a hell of a lot better than the X3 anyway dont you think?

Coming back to the status symbol thing mentioned earlier in the thread, i think for around that budget this would, in many people's eyes(I'm talking about people who dont have a clue about cars but would love a bmw) be a better status symbol than a 3 series saloon



Would like to see what an actual 34k€ one looks like though, I imagine there'd only be 16" rims on it. It certainly looks alright with 19's or whatever on it

EDIT: Had a look on the car configurator on bmw.ie and turns there are 17" rims as as standard with it costing about 800€ minimum to upgrade to 18's

yep, 17s are standard on the SE. 34 for a manual 1.8d is a good starting price, but would imagine 40k is a better price to compare against as that would be either a 2.0d or a 1.8d specd decently with the comfort and design packages and metallic. Thats a good spec though.

Zonda999

copacetic wrote: »

yep, 17s are standard on the SE. 34 for a manual 1.8d is a good starting price, but would imagine 40k is a better price to compare against as that would be either a 2.0d or a 1.8d specd decently with the comfort and design packages and metallic. Thats a good spec though.

Yea, fair enough. Still though, i think that anyone in the market for a bmw around that price range and would previously have gone for a 3 series, will now have a decent choice between a 3 and an X1, can see many in that scenario choosing an X1

The 18d isnt 1.8 though, the 18d and 20d are both the same 2.0 block, just different turbo and tuning.

xabi

Any idea what the 5 started from before the reductions?

bazzachazza

New model 5 series due out early next year.

How long will the prices stay this low and will BMW be brave and have the new model priced the same.

Zonda999

The 5 used to start at about 46k€ OTR afaik, at 41k€, theyve probably allowed it to rise by about 2k when the new model comes next year. Cant wait to see what the new 5 will be like for emissioms. The new E-class is very good so the new 5 will have to be at least as good

bazzachazza

Bit of a false economy then to buy now and then new model comes in you automatically lose money.

Bad for the 09 5 series buyers as well. Another huge amount off the value of your car. Ouch:eek:

bazzachazza

So between this price drop and the new model 5 Series you have just burned about €8000-9000 off your trade in.:eek:

Berty

bazzachazza wrote: »

So between this price drop and the new model 5 Series you have just burned about €8000-9000 off your trade in.:eek:

What you can do is hope that every manufacturer reduces their prices by the same margin otherwise when you go to trade in your BMW for a BMW the value will still be the same because yours is worth €8000 less but the new one is also worth €8000 less.

The same argument was applied if VRT was removed on threads many moons ago.

TheBazman

Exactly Berty. But it could be better if you were going to trade up BMW for BMW as I don't think your second hand car would drop by as much. If you current car for eg was worth 30k and you intend buying a new one worth 60k. If the new car was now say 50k your current car isn't necessarily immediately going to drop to 20k.

W.B. Yeats

I bought in the North this year and may change again in the new year
I still think that theree are better deals up there considering the exchange rate.
You'd get a 6 month old 320d MSport for around €31/32K on the road still much better value than a deal you'd get down here.

Johnny Utah

Good to see the price reductions, but why is the motorist constantly shafted in this country?

Firstly, as I have pointed out in previous threads, it has been far cheaper to buy a new 320d/520d in the North for some time, yet BMW are only reducing their prices now.

Secondly, prices have to drop a lot further if they're going to be genuinely competitive with other countries. For example, the M3 in the States costs about $60k. According to XE, that price converts to about €40k Euro. Why can't we get these sort of prices here?


http://www.bmwusa.com/standard/content/vehicles/2010/m/m3coupe/default.aspx

sk8board

Surely the big winner (again) is the 520d SE for €40k before any negotiation, and perhaps into the late €30's before you leave the forecourt. A colleague with the same model from '07 who spend €57k.

mickdw

Zonda999 wrote: »

The 5 used to start at about 46k€ OTR afaik,

46k was with the new vrt system. They used to be up near 60k not so long ago.

Seth Brundle

Johnny Utah wrote: »

Good to see the price reductions, but why is the motorist constantly shafted in this country?

Firstly, as I have pointed out in previous threads, it has been far cheaper to buy a new 320d/520d in the North for some time, yet BMW are only reducing their prices now.

Secondly, prices have to drop a lot further if they're going to be genuinely competitive with other countries. For example, the M3 in the States costs about $60k. According to XE, that price converts to about €40k Euro. Why can't we get these sort of prices here?


http://www.bmwusa.com/standard/content/vehicles/2010/m/m3coupe/default.aspx

Because people voted for Bertie & FF and ended up with VRT!

Zube

copacetic wrote: »

The X1 is a good deal imo, they are really nice in the flesh, it's just a bigish hatchback, think of it like that and it's competitive.

It's not a biggish hatchback, it's a cramped hatchback on stilts. The 1 series has always been small inside compared to a "normal" fwd hatch like the Golf.

Traumadoc

sk8board wrote: »

Surely the big winner (again) is the 520d SE for €40k before any negotiation, and perhaps into the late €30's before you leave the forecourt. A colleague with the same model from '07 who spend €57k.

I think they were forced to drop prices as the new mercedes e=class was very competitively priced.

_Kaiser_

Even cheaper, I just couldn't live with a current 5 Series I think - it really has love or hate em looks!

A nice A6 though....

copacetic

Zube wrote: »

It's not a biggish hatchback, it's a cramped hatchback on stilts. The 1 series has always been small inside compared to a "normal" fwd hatch like the Golf.

The X1 is a fair bit bigger than the 1 series. It's not the 1 series on stilts. afaik it's based on the 3 series platform.

whiterebel

Traumadoc wrote: »

I think they were forced to drop prices as the new mercedes e=class was very competitively priced.

When I was pricing last November, a 320D, to get to the same spec as the A6 SE was €46K+. A 520D was way, way more again.

sk8board

depending on how you spec if of course; but you could drive a new 520d SE for 39,995 if the list is now not much long with 40k.

irrespective of a new model in the pipeline, thats great value for a big lump of car.

R.O.R

sk8board wrote: »

depending on how you spec if of course; but you could drive a new 520d SE for 39,995 if the list is now not much long with 40k.

irrespective of a new model in the pipeline, thats great value for a big lump of car.

Stick the Business Edition on top of that for €1,500 and you have a very well specced car - Dakota Leather, Business Nav and integrated Bluetooth.

If only we hadn't had one collected on Thursday evening at the retail cost of €48,525 (now listed at €41,890) :mad: