Imagine launch Midband Ripwave Replacement - WiMAX

Hammer of Thor

^^^ Yeah that sucks, I don't mean to rub it in but I just checked the coverage for Wexford, and when it comes into being I'm less than a km from the mast with nothing major in between! Maybe I'll be one of the luckier ones if I do decide to sign up.

Anyone any idea when the boards users will first get online with it in Dublin? Looking forward to their opinions....

Sponge Bob

I'd say it goes further than 3km IF you have an outdoor aerial . For the dongle 3km sounds a tad optimistic .

thebman

They seem to be screwing themselves over but we'll see.

I mean mobile users don't have the coverage, fixed users don't want to be on network with such variance in performance due to mobile users wandering into area.

It seems like the old aim to please everyone, please nobody problem. I'd love to be proven wrong though.

copacetic

Sponge Bob wrote: »

You probably have no choice , it is most likely all dependent on the quality of the signal at your main location so if you actually want the mobile usb dongle you will have to convince Imagine sales that it will work at your address ....tell them you will use it in your roof garden all year

Trust me, I know that this is what will happen because I feel it in my bones

I think you are totally misreading it myself and also going against the info posted by an imagine engineer a few pages back. It clearly says you get free wifi which is impossible with the dongle.

Kev.

Okays guys after 31 pages have we decided if its a good product or not ?

bealtine

Kev. wrote: »

Okays guys after 31 pages have we decided if its a good product or not ?

too many simple variables to answer like no friking modems and only a few basestations live, so the answer is nobody knows yet...

copacetic

Kev. wrote: »

Okays guys after 31 pages have we decided if its a good product or not ?

Nobody will know until it's picked up by a large number of people and we can see if the service falls off badly.

I'd try it out myself in a heartbeat, it looks like I'm in a coverage area, but I'm not signing up for 12 months on the off chance its a good service.

cormie

copacetic wrote: »

Nobody will know until it's picked up by a large number of people and we can see if the service falls off badly.

I'd try it out myself in a heartbeat, it looks like I'm in a coverage area, but I'm not signing up for 12 months on the off chance its a good service.

Aye me too, I'd be getting the 3mb option for 10 a month tomorrow if they at least gave a trial period and if the knowledgeable here could tell me if it'd be likely to get much worse, just a little worse, or so bad it'd even be worse than my 1mb ripwave with Irishbroadband.

If 3mb mobile Wimax, at its worst, has the potential to be better than 1mb ripwave at its best, then I'd go for it.

_Kooli_

Sounds like when Cuil launched.
All puff and marketing and a disaster zone at the end of it all.

Solair

I have to say I was expecting something a bit more impressive than 7mbit/s as the top package.

I know digiweb metro has a 50gb cap, but it's 12 mbit/s down and 1mbit/s up.

What's so great about Wimax ?!?

bk

It looks like Imagine has released the pricing for their new WiMax products, details here:

http://www.imagine.ie/wimax-splash/imagine-wimax-broadband.html

1mb / 256kb + phone = €25
3mb / 512kb + phone = €30
7mb / 512kb + phone = €35

For offpeak national + UK calls add €5 to any of the above

For peak national + UK calls add €10 to any of the above

€50 activation free, comes with free WIFI/WiMax hub.

Always good to see a new competitor in the market, but I remain to be convinced about wireless BB.

Having said all that, it looks like their WiMax coverage is very small, see here:
http://www.imagine.ie/wimax-splash/view-coverage-locations.html

Note it is only the Orange sections that are WiMax, the green sections is there old network. Also the map isn't great as it doesn't give any indication of how far it reaches.

copacetic

cormie wrote: »

Aye me too, I'd be getting the 3mb option for 10 a month tomorrow if they at least gave a trial period and if the knowledgeable here could tell me if it'd be likely to get much worse, just a little worse, or so bad it'd even be worse than my 1mb ripwave with Irishbroadband.

If 3mb mobile Wimax, at its worst, has the potential to be better than 1mb ripwave at its best, then I'd go for it.

agreed, without a trial period and with all their conditions and ' Broadband speeds are distance dependant and cannot therefore be guaranteed' stuff it's too risky an option imo. Why wouild you go for 3 or 7Mbps over 1Mbps if they are saying they won't stick to the speeds they are selling you?

Big Lar

In fairness the pricing and speeds are very competitive, Although according to the coverage map it does seem that they are aiming for the urban market.

Hammer of Thor

bk wrote: »

Note it is only the Orange sections that are WiMax, the blue sections is there old network. Also the map isn't great as it doesn't give any indication of how far it reaches.

U sure? They way i read the coverage map is that Orange is Live, or soon to go live with Wimax. blue is the next phase, and green is old network.

copacetic

Hammer of Thor wrote: »

U sure? They way i read the coverage map is that Orange is Live, or soon to go live with Wimax. blue is the next phase, and green is old network.

thats correct. The map is also changing day to day, there was an existing network green icon near ticknock the other day. It's gone now!

bk

Hammer of Thor wrote: »

U sure? They way i read the coverage map is that Orange is Live, or soon to go live with Wimax. blue is the next phase, and green is old network.

You are correct, changed that.

IrishTonyO

bk wrote: »

It looks like Imagine has released the pricing for their new WiMax products, details here:

A bit slow there bk they released the pricing 2 days and we have been discussing it here since

inertia99

IrishTonyO wrote: »

A bit slow there bk they released the pricing 2 days and we have been discussing it here since

He started to post on Saturday but he's on the new Imagine Wimax service:D

Calebmcd

No mayo again, well no surprise really.

ADSL only as usual. Or Three/O2/Vodafone or satalite.

PogMoThoin

Calebmcd wrote: »

No mayo again, well no surprise really.

ADSL only as usual. Or Three/O2/Vodafone or satalite.

You forgot Westnet, they have the Wimax licences in Mayo and have been doing real Wimax (as in fixed Wimax) for 2 years, Imagine haven't got a licence there

Lastmile have the licences for most of the midlands, they'll not get licences there either, Lastmile are using Fixed Wimax for 3 years

http://www.comreg.ie/radio_spectrum/fwala_search.541.960.fwalasearch.html
Select 3.5Ghz and see how many area's they can't do as they're already licenced to other providers. They lied about their coverage from the very start. Imagine inherited Irish Broadbands licences. Only Eircom have a nationwide licence and they don't even use it

Sponge Bob

True, Mayo had Wimax 2 years before Imagine started their media hysterics

PogMoThoin

Sponge Bob wrote: »

True, Mayo had Wimax 2 years before Imagine started their media hysterics

Yep, oB had pleasure in standing up and telling their PR guy this after his 15 minute pitch on how he was introducing Wimax to Ireland

Sponge Bob

Bet the PR bunny answered that honestly

bk

inertia99 wrote: »

He started to post on Saturday but he's on the new Imagine Wimax service:D

LOL, I posted this on the Broadband forum, it was moved here by a Mod, I don't normally visit this forum as I'm not particularly interested in wireless midband services.

Sponge Bob

T&Cs

Can anybody find this code of practice , it is mandatory that they have the code and follow theprocedures set out in it . .

3.2 imagine’s Code of Practice which sets out our complaints and dispute resolution procedure is available online at www.imagine.ie or upon written request.

Damaged or faulty equipment must be reported IN WRITING to Imagine within 5 days

magine will use it’s commercially reasonable endeavours to deliver the Equipment to the Customer Address by the date we indicate to you, but all dates are estimates and imagine shall have no liability for any failure to meet any such date. You must inspect the Equipment immediately upon receipt and inform us in writing within five (5) working days of delivery of any damage or missing items from the delivery

If the fat ****er in the white van can't bother doing his job properly , you are in trouble straight away

4.4 If you fail to take delivery of the Equipment (or fail to give us appropriate delivery instructions) then without prejudice to any other rights or remedies available to us, we may store the Equipment until actual delivery and charge you for the reasonable costs of same, including re-delivery as a result of a failed delivery.

Having left it under the neighbours hedge in the rain for 5 days, (and denied everything)

4.5 If Equipment supplied to you is faulty you must return the faulty Equipment (in its original packaging and with any associated equipment and documentation) to imagine within twenty eight (28) days of receipt of the Equipment. We will (at our discretion) either repair the Equipment or supply you with replacement Equipment. If you fail to return the faulty Equipment to us within twenty eight (28) days, we will charge you one hundred and fifty euros (€150), inclusive of VAT, for such Equipment (other than with the WiMax Mobile Dongle).

If you get the windowsill router and it does not work then you MAY NOT TERMINATE the contract and Imagine are entitled to do a fixed install and charge what they want for it . I cannot find this charge on their website and it will be in addition to any charges already incurred and probably with a €50 setup charge on top .

4.7.3 In the event the premises is not suitable for installation of the Equipment, it may be necessary to install additional Equipment to enable you to avail of the WiMax Service(s). Any costs associated with the additional Equipment shall be borne by you in addition to the Charges.

The exception is where you buy the dongle

For the WiMax Mobile Broadband Service, you may purchase from imagine a WiMax Mobile Dongle to facilitate connection to the WiMax Service(s). Upon receipt of payment from you in accordance with the imagine Product and Price Guide(s), ownership of the WiMax Mobile Dongle will transfer to you.

Anything we have not thought of is NOT our fault either.

However you are welcome to sue Motorola or Intel because we will not cover for them

5.9 You shall indemnify and hold us harmless against all liabilities, claims, damages, losses, expenses and proceedings howsoever arising from or in any way connected with the use of the WiMax Service(s) or the Equipment.

I gave up reading them after all that lot

cormie

I'd say a lot of T+C's are pretty much the same, in fact, I'd say the ripwave T+C's I never bothered to read say pretty much the same thing if it's from Imagine

Would anyone care to speculate on whether 3mb mobile Wimax, at its worst, is better than 1mb ripwave at its best?

thebman

Sponge Bob wrote: »

T&Cs
Can anybody find this code of practice , it is mandatory that they have the code and follow theprocedures set out in it . .
Damaged or faulty equipment must be reported IN WRITING to Imagine within 5 days
If the fat ****er in the white van can't bother doing his job properly , you are in trouble straight away
Having left it under the neighbours hedge in the rain for 5 days, (and denied everything)
If you get the windowsill router and it does not work then you MAY NOT TERMINATE the contract and Imagine are entitled to do a fixed install and charge what they want for it . I cannot find this charge on their website and it will be in addition to any charges already incurred and probably with a €50 setup charge on top .
The exception is where you buy the dongle
Anything we have not thought of is NOT our fault either.
However you are welcome to sue Motorola or Intel because we will not cover for them
I gave up reading them after all that lot

Its nothing unusual when you read other ISP's t&c in this country though

I'll wait until they shoot themselves in the foot again before I start having a go at them

(I took the spaces out of the post but not the content since it looses context anyway without the parts of imagines contract.

Paddy Boy

Sponge Bob wrote: »

T&Cs

Can anybody find this code of practice , it is mandatory that they have the code and follow theprocedures set out in it . .



Damaged or faulty equipment must be reported IN WRITING to Imagine within 5 days



If the fat ****er in the white van can't bother doing his job properly , you are in trouble straight away



Having left it under the neighbours hedge in the rain for 5 days, (and denied everything)



If you get the windowsill router and it does not work then you MAY NOT TERMINATE the contract and Imagine are entitled to do a fixed install and charge what they want for it . I cannot find this charge on their website and it will be in addition to any charges already incurred and probably with a €50 setup charge on top .



The exception is where you buy the dongle



Anything we have not thought of is NOT our fault either.

However you are welcome to sue Motorola or Intel because we will not cover for them



I gave up reading them after all that lot

:D

Nice one. I needed that laugh.

The Fool

PogMoThoin wrote: »

You forgot Westnet, they have the Wimax licences in Mayo and have been doing real Wimax (as in fixed Wimax) for 2 years, Imagine haven't got a licence there

Lastmile have the licences for most of the midlands, they'll not get licences there either, Lastmile are using Fixed Wimax for 3 years

http://www.comreg.ie/radio_spectrum/fwala_search.541.960.fwalasearch.html
Select 3.5Ghz and see how many area's they can't do as they're already licenced to other providers. They lied about their coverage from the very start. Imagine inherited Irish Broadbands licences. Only Eircom have a nationwide licence and they don't even use it

There's more then one Channel or sub-band in the 3.5Ghz band so don't really get your point, seems to be plenty free

PogMoThoin

The Fool wrote: »

There's more then one Channel or sub-band in the 3.5Ghz band so don't really get your point, seems to be plenty free

This is what spectrum has been allocated by Comreg, they cannot use 3.5Ghz where they don't have a licence and they're limited to inside the 20km circles they've been allocated