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Infrastructure in the new Programme for Government
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Hi churchview, I'd agree with Bluntguy and say that their infrastructure proposals were too vague.
And I'd like to add that I am really interested in taking your views on board because as a Green member I can go in and try to persuade people
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churchview wrote: »Therefore, the bypass is needed to take some traffic out of the city and to allow for the development of bus lanes by replacing urban car routes with bus routes. Unfortunately, the former Galway Green Councillor opposed the bypass at every opportunity aided by Minister Gormley who interfered some months ago, and this project must now be more likely to suffer severe delay as it hasn't progressed.
That is it in a nutshell ..bar a quibble. The former Green councillor and Gormley were joined by not a few Labour Party nutjobs too while Michael D kept his gob shut rather than show any leadership
The sequence in Galway should be
1. Build bypass
2. THEN drastically restrict traffic in and near the CBD/NUIG/UCHG and prioritise buses on the medieval streetscape with some allowance for deliveries/taxis and with private cars bottom of the gene pool .
3. Increase the density of office / employment in the CBD while bringing in a moratorium on new office/bulky retail/warehouse on the outskirts and even flattening some of them that have been empty for years.
4. Green belt everywhere around the Bypass that is green . Building must go up in Galway not out .
That sequence would be sensible and trending to the sustainable but as Chrchview said the current situation is lunacy , guaranteed gridlock with no end in sight .
Adding this risible 'gléas' proposal from Brian Guckian into the Galway mix shows how completely intellectually bankrupts these green/labour loonys are. A concept like the 'gléas may work if you upgrade an established public transport corridor .
That would be 10-20 years down the line after 1 2 3 and 4 above have been implemented.
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Were the greens a national party and not largely a small cabal inside the M50 they would have a specific policy objective of creating a vibrant corridor ( at a minimum) between Galway and Cork .
That would be a start .
There is of course no such policy .....which vacumn partly goes to explaining their overweening lack of intellectual rigour 0 -
Sponge Bob wrote: »That is it in a nutshell ..bar a quibble. The former Green councillor and Gormley were joined by not a few Labour Party nutjobs too while Michael D kept his gob shut rather than show any leadership
The sequence in Galway should be
1. Build bypass
2. THEN drastically restrict traffic in and near the CBD/NUIG/UCHG and prioritise buses on the medieval streetscape with some allowance for deliveries/taxis and with private cars bottom of the gene pool .
3. Increase the density of office / employment in the CBD while bringing in a moratorium on new office/bulky retail/warehouse on the outskirts and even flattening some of them that have been empty for years.
4. Green belt everywhere around the Bypass that is green . Building must go up in Galway not out .
That sequence would be sensible and trending to the sustainable but as Chrchview said the current situation is lunacy , guaranteed gridlock with no end in sight .
Adding this risible 'gléas' proposal from Brian Guckian into the Galway mix shows how completely intellectually bankrupts these green/labour loonys are. A concept like the 'gléas may work if you upgrade an established public transport corridor .
That would be 10-20 years down the line after 1 2 3 and 4 above have been implemented.
You're dead right. Credit where credit's due The Labour Party were a disgrace on this issue as well and thankfully as a result have found themselves in the political wilderness in Galway.
Completely agree with your sequence of needed developments....see what I did there? I used the word development in a positive way:)
Greens, Govt. etc. need to start listening to people with ideas such as yours (developers if you will) who are "joined up" in that they recognise that private and public transport must be integrated. It's shouldn't be public, to the exclusion of private. Hopefully tacannol and his attitude isn't an isolated one in the Green Party. We need more like him who are genuinely willing to debate rather than preach.0 -
Ahem, "her"churchview wrote: »Hopefully tacannol and his attitude isn't an isolated one in the Green Party. We need more like him who are genuinely willing to debate rather than preach.
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Any more information ? Will they restrict availability of electricity to houses ? Will i be able to have a shower when I come home from work ?
The same person peddling these Demand Management Meters ( so called smart) will not tell you these four things ....because they are all true .
1. A scheme to roll out 25,000 of them in Ireland has been scaled back to between 2500 and 4000. There is NOT ENOUGH COMMUNICATIONS INFRASTRUCTURE IN IRELAND to cope with the larger number . Funnily enough the same arrogant muppet of a minister is responsible for the demand metering scheme and for the underlying causes of failure ...our sheer lack of modern reliable communications networks unlike other countries and most especially in rural areas where grids are weakest.
2. Demand management meters are designed to prevent grid cascades and disorderly blackouts . They do this by causing disorderly blackouts in the home so that the grid can stay up . In theory your blackout will be shorter than it would otherwise be BUT the tendency to protect the grid will probably mean that what may have been a brownout more often becomes a sizeable 2 hour blackout between 5pm and 7pm .
3. There is no ORDERLY mechanism for the meter to turn the shower off although it could come in 10 years ( and if you get a new shower) . demand management meters are either off or on. Technologies like homeplug could be used in high load devices like showers and cookers and heaters and vacumn cleaners and kettles first without taking th ewhole meter out . This will come in time.
4. The minister and the ESB expect us to PAY EXTRA for these trojan horses in our homes . Thank feck I have an old house with an inside meter 0 -
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OK costings
Bord gais spent 400 million building a 440 Mw combined gas Turbine plant in Cork. (please remember CGT plants are relatively expensive to build)
To build a 440mw wind farm would cost as follows.
Assume a 25% load factor.
So for 440MW output would require 1760MW installed at a cost of 1.5 million per MW.
2.64 Billion. V's 440 million or a difference of 2.44 Billion Euros....
That would buy a hell of allot of gas.
At 30% load factor that drops to a difference of 1.8 billion still a hell of allot of gas.
Add the cost of funding that extra 2.44 Billion and the costs grow even higher.... In real terms it would be closer to 4 billion in difference for the capital costs for a small 440 Mw generating plant for a CGT plant V's wind.
As for off shore...
Even assuming 2 million per MW installed and 40% efficiency.
that's 1100Mw installed or again 2.2 billion so funnily enough it does scale up.
The London Array project is approx 1,000MW installed and the quoted costs vary between (depending on source) 1.5 billion sterling and 2 billion sterling which would back your figure.
See wind power is not cheap....0 -
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The London Array project is approx 1,000MW installed and the quoted costs vary between (depending on source) 1.5 billion sterling and 2 billion sterling which would back your figure.
See wind power is not cheap....
I doubt if the Thames is 40% efficient , that figure likely only applies off the Atlantic coasts of Scotland and Ireland . It could be as low as 25% as against possibly 15% onshore in Kent and Essex.
Offshore will always be relatively better but it only makes sense in shallow waters right now and they are often on suboptimal coasts like east of Ireland and east of England .
The Norwegians , bless, have just launched a floating turbine into the Atlantic . Lets see how that goes
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I take it he checked .
Quite a good article on a lot of the typical wind assumptions here and how they are measured.
http://www.eoearth.org/article/Energy_return_on_investment_%28EROI%29,_economic_feasibility_and_carbon_intensity_of_a_hypothetical_Lake_Ontario_wind_farm
Gas Turbines tend to spin up fast so they do not provide base load but are used to deal with sudden power demand . As their day to day usage is unpredictable it is difficult to contratc ahead and a lot of gas is bought on the spot market unless there is onsite storage ...but even then .
I would assume that the price of gas to a turbine is high ....even by gas price standards . Top third of rates apply I would think .
Finally the concept of EROI is important , The Oil Drum carries a lot of serious quality energy analysis . This piece is on EROI itself
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/3786
Finally if you are trying to 'smooth' the intermittence of wind you need a lot of fast spin up gas plant rather than semi baseload 'traditional' gas that takes time to bring online .
CCT is the best 'cold start' technology and if we overly rely on Wind in Ireland we will tend to have a lot of CCT plant rathe rthan traditional gas plants because if it ain't a blowing we need a plan B , right now.
Our grid cannot deliver sufficient gas at short notice for unpredicatble fast spins so we therefore need CCT + Onsite Storage that can charge the tanks at off peak times which is even more expensive
We cannot , in fairness, design a reliable grid without fast spin technology to compensate for the intermittence of wind .
The more we rely on wind the more complicated we make it and principle demand side demand metering is almost impossible in Ireland right now even if the greens honestly explained what their beloved 'smart green' meters actuallly ARE , namely rolling spot blackouts .
It has gotten to the stage that the words smart and green , when used together in a sentence in Ireland , actually mean a sneaky kludge.0 -
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